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Title: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Hololasima on December 25, 2010, 02:10:45 pm
Hello, sorry for disturb but right now Mabus camped Gecko mine by mercs, a lot of mercs.

I think that its banable, so here is some screen (http://img4.rajce.idnes.cz/d0403/3/3134/3134875_1d2615a492bb76568ce03f16a14d50a4/images/screen_25-12-2010_13-20-57.jpg)

Since nobody can have more than 5 mercs on him so he must be kick out.
I hope that this guy will be banned or jailed(?). Thanks

Edit: There is arround 30 mercs, they are not on screen but they are there.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: EnergyForYou on December 25, 2010, 03:35:03 pm
How do you know that he get there 30 mercs on only one char. He could make relogs.This isnt banable.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Crazy on December 25, 2010, 03:48:57 pm
Well I think it's mostly abuse, because he obviously use the bug which make peoples crash when hit during loading map, and it's particulary easy place to camp, like there isn't any preview. Creating loads of alts with 10 CH to make such traps is not very glorious either.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: VongJin on December 25, 2010, 03:52:30 pm
i though u're in  *anti PK* alliance Holo  ::), can't u just gather people and kill all his mercs?
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Crazy on December 25, 2010, 03:59:32 pm
i though u're in  *anti PK* alliance Holo  ::), can't u just gather people and kill all his mercs?


TTTLA done that yesterday. Everyone crash, you reconnect with 30 HP, kill 2 mercs, and be killed (not enough time to heal). We finally managed to do it, but it is expansive in loot, not particulary fun, and if it is to let that guy place new mercs during night, a waste of time.
Btw, I honestly recommend to all gang (even PK) who think they can do it to try. We gained something like 30 super stimpack and as much Sniper Rifles on mercs bodys.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: EnergyForYou on December 25, 2010, 04:02:20 pm
What about 30 mutties with bazookas and 50+ ammo. :D
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Hololasima on December 25, 2010, 04:18:16 pm
i though u're in  *anti PK* alliance Holo  ::), can't u just gather people and kill all his mercs?

And ? ...

Its doesnt matter how many "his" alts made it. Camping some place where isnt preview with 30 mercs(or more) was always reason for ban.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Jescri on December 25, 2010, 04:32:37 pm
There will be everytime bug-exploiters in this game.
Pathetic.
Big teams can do the same things in all the Towns, and everybody would leave the server.
That would be cool.

GMs, please airstrike this fuckin* mercs and their owner.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: VongJin on December 25, 2010, 05:40:59 pm
shame on you guys :-\ As long as Foinline2238 is still hardcore game, this kind of issues must be a challenge for people who feel strong enough to deal with it...I can understand when some poor newby crying about spawnkills in Hub or something but il can't understand why members of big *antiPK* alliance are crying on forum instead of making some actions? U have man power and supplys to deal with hundreds of merks aren't you?

Guys come on... be a mans atleast onese. Move your lazy fatty asses from Redding's pubchairs and kill this merks...
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Crazy on December 25, 2010, 05:44:47 pm
You seem to haven't read my post. Crashing because of bug exploit and killing stupid mercs is not fun. Why do we play? For fun. So?

Well anyway I am not surprised that you start trolling the topic, like it's probably you're team which is doing that.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: VongJin on December 25, 2010, 05:51:00 pm
dude calm down... i'm not trolling btw.... i telling u how u should deal with this kind of *bugged feature* in Hardcore games...

P.S.  i'm not even playing on 2238 anymore...

btw i can help u i creatin a plan :P buy 5 hth mutants-> enter with them to mine and make most of the mercs to waste their AP on mutants htem enter with your whole squad and rape defensless AI's...
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Michaelh139 on December 25, 2010, 07:41:34 pm
VongJin seems to be the only one with sense in this topic, everyone else is just bitchin. :-*
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Crazy on December 25, 2010, 08:07:53 pm
btw i can help u i creatin a plan :P buy 5 hth mutants-> enter with them to mine and make most of the mercs to waste their AP on mutants htem enter with your whole squad and rape defensless AI's...

Last time we attacked, there were 10 mercs who spawn before us to take hit instead of us. Wasn't enough.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Fidel Castro on December 25, 2010, 08:20:56 pm
http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=11714.0
ARTILLERY!!!!!!
(This is not the "supermutants army" ita a tactical and low powered weapon, but agains merc invading maps, coul be great)
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Hololasima on December 25, 2010, 08:31:06 pm
VongJin: Again about crying/whining ?

Its not about what can beat them or not(of course that you are man and you can do that, and others only crying), this thing with mercs was always reason for ban. In past and now its same, understand ?


I am wrong, please some GM, correct me.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Doctor Eex on December 25, 2010, 08:37:30 pm
Come on! This guy using multilogging all the way. Right in VC to pass slaves or resources.
Should be banned
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: avv on December 25, 2010, 09:41:28 pm
shame on you guys :-\ As long as Foinline2238 is still hardcore game, this kind of issues must be a challenge for people who feel strong enough to deal with it...I can understand when some poor newby crying about spawnkills in Hub or something but il can't understand why members of big *antiPK* alliance are crying on forum instead of making some actions? U have man power and supplys to deal with hundreds of merks aren't you?

Guys come on... be a mans atleast onese. Move your lazy fatty asses from Redding's pubchairs and kill this merks...

We're still supposed to test the game. Once devs announce it's ready and nothing will be changed ever you can act like you act now.

Unless you manage to explicate that this gridcamping activity is completely plausible everyday gaming and goes along with rules of good gameplay you have no right to tell that someone should change his personality.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Flick on December 25, 2010, 09:59:47 pm
If he duallog , he cheat so he is bannable, but if he dont cheat he make his work of tester ...

He explained how it is simple to put an embargo on mines. Mines like ncr, junktown or gecko need preview too, a larger map (more distant spawn point) and more spawn point.
We must thank him, he pointed out a easyly exploitable feature
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Hololasima on December 25, 2010, 10:19:10 pm
If he duallog , he cheat so he is bannable, but if he dont cheat he make his work of tester ...

He explained how it is simple to put an embargo on mines. Mines like ncr, junktown or gecko need preview too, a larger map (more distant spawn point) and more spawn point.
We must thank him, he pointed out a easyly exploitable feature

 ;D

Dont know how long time you play this beta but probably 90% of server know how its easy to make it. Some guys had fun from this 2 wipes ago.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Wichura on December 25, 2010, 11:12:15 pm
So this is the way you can buy private HQ mine for yourself. Awesome. And people were saying it's not possible at the moment :>
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Hololasima on December 25, 2010, 11:47:39 pm
So this is the way you can buy private HQ mine for yourself. Awesome. And people were saying it's not possible at the moment :>

1. I dont craft.
2. I dont go to mines like this one.
3. Teammates told me that there are mercs.


Btw, private HQ mine is in game ?
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: avv on December 25, 2010, 11:51:24 pm
Btw, private HQ mine is in game ?

It is if you manage to capture and hold one of the unprotected hq mines like this tester in gecko mine did.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Tyler on December 26, 2010, 12:01:31 am
Grid campers and exploiters have existed in fonline since its birth.
Pack light but pack heavy if you know what i mean.
Its part of the fun and challenge to out think these fuckers.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Trokanis on December 26, 2010, 12:18:38 am
Willfully disrupting the testing process is I believe against the rules.  This Exploit is very much something that shouldn't happen because there is no real way to defend against it other than throwing bodies at it til they run out of ammo.


P.S.  i'm not even playing on 2238 anymore...


If you're not playing anymore please don't post on something you don't even have to deal with. 

Part of this game may be it's harshness but that can only take the fun so far before it just blows it's head off and leaves it somewhere.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Tyler on December 26, 2010, 12:26:01 am
I dont play anymore but i used to every day.
Ask around a bit and you will see that things like this have been going on for a long time.
Its part of the fun once you get over the initial shock of losing all your shit.
Its all just pixels on a screen.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Fewer on December 26, 2010, 12:46:50 am
Where is the NCR army now..... Izual
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: EnergyForYou on December 26, 2010, 12:47:56 am
Where is Iual now...
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: headshot on December 26, 2010, 01:52:17 am
There'll be no more flesh blood in the Wastes, if exploiters will be not punished. So if this, what this kid doing in the Gecko Mines is really exploit, Game Masters should ban him and all his characters. Stealing, murders, slavery, childkilling, this all makes the 2238's harsh, but no goddamn exploits.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Keldorn on December 26, 2010, 02:43:15 am
Moar wasteland is harsh  ::)

Thats why I like Redding, plenty of cover.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Ganado on December 26, 2010, 02:44:21 am
There'll be no more flesh blood in the Wastes, if exploiters will be not punished. So if this, what this kid doing in the Gecko Mines is really exploit, Game Masters should ban him and all his characters. Stealing, murders, slavery, childkilling, this all makes the 2238's harsh, but no goddamn exploits.

Camping an unguarded mine might be extremely cheap, but I see no exploit... unless you are referring to something else?
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Reginmund on December 26, 2010, 04:21:38 am
exploiting the mercs instant reaction while you load into the map? and on a mass scale????
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Trokanis on December 26, 2010, 08:15:01 am
Sounds like a game mechanic not initially designed for use in such a way, exploited for someones personal gain to me.  Since there is no way to stop it, or avoid it.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Doctor Eex on December 26, 2010, 08:59:30 am
This guy could camp mines using multiple logging. With many mults you can drop dozen of mercs if you have several million caps, which is easily achievable.

And it's perfectly safe with "frozen on load location" bug, because even big factions are bored to be killed while trying to re-log.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Wichura on December 26, 2010, 09:43:58 am
Btw, private HQ mine is in game ?
As you can see - yes, there is. All you need to do is swarm existing HQ mine with horde of mercs. Not cheap, but works, isn't it? :>
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: LagMaster on December 26, 2010, 10:24:02 am
As you can see - yes, there is. All you need to do is swarm existing HQ mine with horde of mercs. Not cheap, but works, isn't it? :>
anyway is expensive than a 75000 mine with only LQ, but is HQ at least!!!
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: headshot on December 26, 2010, 10:58:00 am
Camping isn't exploit, but propably this kid using dual log as Doctor Eex said.  Also this spawn bug... I mean the client needs some seconds to load the map, but character is already on it. So people who go there can do nothing for few seconds.

A lot of people who playin' FOnline long have several milon caps on thier accounts. So they can easily do the same thing, but what's the point? To collect sledgies?
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Hololasima on December 26, 2010, 10:59:42 am
As you can see - yes, there is. All you need to do is swarm existing HQ mine with horde of mercs. Not cheap, but works, isn't it? :>

Yes, i missunderstood your previous post. Sorry. But yes, you're right.


Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Jescri on December 26, 2010, 11:38:54 am
If nobody kill these Mercs, poeple will must mine in Redding or in BH ... that is not so bad :p
For the moment, dont go in Gecko mine ! And I dont think that the mine will be safe soon ... I think that big teams dont want to waste time, caps, and stuff to be instant kill and do some pve.
Moreover if we kill these Mercs, this Kid will put again a large pack of mercs 3 hours after.

And if Devs dont like this abuse spwn camping there is a solution : When a leader leaves a public zone, the mercs leave to. Or if he disconnects in a public zone, mercs will go with him on WM.
And you want to punish this BugExploiter who dont report his bug, I have a good idea to punish him : Put 100 agressives mercs with Plasma Rifles in his base =)
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: runboy93 on December 26, 2010, 11:40:09 am
If nobody kill these Mercs, poeple will must mine in Redding or in BH ... that is not so bad :p
I thought there is guys that can easily handle anything, but looks like i was wrong about that...
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Doctor Eex on December 26, 2010, 12:38:54 pm
Quote
this kid using dual log as Doctor Eex said

No no. Not dual. Many more than dual.

Quote
And if Devs dont like this abuse spwn camping there is a solution : When a leader leaves a public zone, the mercs leave to. Or if he disconnects in a public zone, mercs will go with him on WM.
will not solve as you can leave chars logged on.

All we need for this issue - 1 volunteer GM who will take a closer look on Mabus alts actions.
I  mean "Armor" and etc. And it will be clearly seen that THIS IS multi-logging.

And of cause, "freeze on load" bug requires fix. Because merc traps suck a lot, when you re-log already on respawn point

Please take one thing in mind:
In this case we have to deal with REALLY SICK bastard. I can say it as Doctor ) Multilog, spamming, bug using. No lifer, by the way. His only purpose to troll whole server and collect hatred.
I'm sure he's happy now - got attention of all server and btw mining HQ resources 24/7 without limits.

My suggestion is - make his alts unguarded at all towns and freeze his bank accounts.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Lordus on December 26, 2010, 12:46:32 pm
Can you tell me, what is difference between this situation, where you enter location and you are immediately killed by NPCs, even you can defend yoursef, and situation, where you are already in town and NPCs are teleported few hexes near you and you are killed before you can defend yourself (supermutants spawn teleporting)?

 I see no differences. So if mutants are legal, this should be too (even both situations ruins the game).
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Ayuta on December 26, 2010, 01:01:24 pm
oh, its so nice, now even noobs can notice and report a thing that had been reported long time ago by TC teams, insa kill merc squads, btw Wichura is trolling as usual
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Mabus on December 26, 2010, 01:42:08 pm
"freeze his bank accounts"  ;D ;D ;D

For info: Begin from wipe I never: atack, buy any mutie, buy any car.  8)
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: igooor on December 26, 2010, 01:51:44 pm
maybe - try to go there with activated dynamite in pocket - to clean up some mercs around
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Mabus on December 26, 2010, 02:06:01 pm
U have chance kill only some mele mercs  :) like 2 or more if i buy new...
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Alvarez on December 26, 2010, 02:08:40 pm
maybe - try to go there with activated dynamite in pocket - to clean up some mercs around

Excellent idea, call it Breaker, max up EN and AG, Sneak, shoot up yourself with Buffout, put on your CA and thin them out.
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: igooor on December 26, 2010, 02:25:22 pm
when GM wake up or finish their boxes with vodka - will ban all your alts - that simultaneously are in game. One real player = 1 character in game at the same time, that is the first rule for online game.

Look, how my crafter came to the list? He is only 121 small gun - yeah he is real PK)))) I even begin to proud of him)
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Mabus on December 26, 2010, 03:04:08 pm
igooor, only in your dreams. (я обещал, что вы мудачки у меня сосо будете? получайте по полной программе, будете вертеться на хую, пока не сдрыснете на другой серв, а потом я и до туда доберусь ;D)
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: Doctor Eex on December 28, 2010, 08:09:16 am
For anybody who does not understand russian language - last post contains very, very bad words and insults addressed to whole server.
Poor bastard is trying to ruin everyone's game
Title: Re: Gecko mine camped again
Post by: drun-new on December 28, 2010, 09:06:00 pm
mine free)
(http://www.fonline.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10222&d=1293565036)
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