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crying/whining/moaning... please stop?
Surf:
--- Quote ---Suicide PKers: It's pretty simple. Stay away from large groups of people but stay close to guards. If you notice 2 people walking in unison and towards you, they may have planned to team suicide pk you (one shooter, one looter). Your options are to run and stay out in the open where the guards can see you. The only time Suicide PKers will seek you out is if they know you have good gear, low enough hp to 1 shot and are far enough away from the rest of the NPC/player populace that they will get all the loot. SO, don't show off your metal armor mk2 if you're level 4. OH and don't chill in NCR thinking you have no chance of dying.
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This is not a "workaround", the fact that suicide bombing is totally out of place and doesn't fit in the fallout universe doesn't change with your "fix".
Also - what, besides of stating the obvious, is the point of this thread?
borse:
--- Quote from: Bantz on October 11, 2010, 02:58:22 PM ---That should be writen by big letters on "Get started" page. We might not see an hundreds word long story how one get tent robbed, then brought the robber back to his tent to give him his stuff back and got robbed again with nice suggestion "do something". ;)
The only real problem is the suicide pking, that should be fixed but other then that stuff like thieving, pking in encounters, tent following and so on can be dealt with with wits&reason.
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haha I remember that topic well. I'll see what I can do to get some info posted more clearly for newbs :).
Yea suicide PKing is the only thing that can cause some serious grief to just about any char. Thieving, regular PKing and tent following are all preventable... PKing is only preventable if you avoid the PK hot spots
--- Quote from: Surf Solar on October 11, 2010, 06:16:40 PM ---
This is not a "workaround", the fact that suicide bombing is totally out of place and doesn't fit in the fallout universe doesn't change with your "fix".
Also - what, besides of stating the obvious, is the point of this thread?
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yea, i know, we've come to agreement that Suicide PK is a serious problem. This includes both suicide burst and bombing. Ummm and I am very glad you asked that. The reason? Because this stuff IS obvious and players still seem to ignore it. I'm trying to illuminate the fact that people are complaining about things that are mostly preventable. Like you said, I'm stating the obvious, and players are still falling into these traps.
kttdestroyer:
--- Quote from: borse on October 11, 2010, 01:00:32 PM ---
I'm not trying to be inconsiderate here but can all of you PLEASE stop moaning about things like cooldowns, full loot drop, PKers, thieves, Suicide PKers, etc... There are solutions for all of those things and these solutions do not involve developers. They involve YOU, the player.
Anytime you go anywhere but your tent/base, expect to die and lose everything on you. There are risks involved with everything on FOnline, your job is to factor in those risks and make intelligent and rational decisions to ensure your characters best interests are met.
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Yes, lets close the beta stage, the game is finished. No seriously, i agree that non-constructive whinning is not very constructive. However, walking around with a big smile on your face towards everything is a non-progressive dead end.
Full loot drop: "WARNING: This game may not be suitable for young players. You may die in this game and there is no save function!" - copied and pasted from the top of the forums
Yes, and if you loose all your stuff becouse of a bug or another player abuse you are to keep quiet and be happy 8)
PKers: If someone kills you in an unguarded town, what does that tell you? Unguarded towns aren't safe. Do you go there again under the same conditions? no. If someone kills you right under Hub twice, do you: A) walk through that square again hoping you'll miss the encounter, OR B) walk 1 square to the left and continue on your way, with FAR less chance of being PKed.
I bet it tells one to stay away from northen towns. How good they look now, the towns are just filled with life and traders. Perfect ::)
And while you walk around the PK spot you fall into another PK trap (which i personally treat as abuse, as the engine is just not made for this, at least how it looks now). And what choice you have then? Well, tell me. Quit the game becouse you cant do anything and wait for next wipe or wait until tommoro, maybe better chance then 8)
Thieves: A bunch of bluesuits are touching your ass even while you flee and/or push them away. Do you decide to do a big 10k trade with Sha Enin? If you're a moron or a VERY quick trader, then yes.
Would you see a diffrence in real life if someone is walking forward to you and giving you first aid or stealing from you? Or, maybe it DOES look the same to change your weapon, first aid yourself, doctor, dissamble a weapon, stealing and scratching your head(oh wait, that one got its own animation).
borse:
--- Quote from: kttdestroyer on October 11, 2010, 06:22:41 PM ---Yes, lets close the beta stage, the game is finished. No seriously, i agree that non-constructive whinning is not very constructive. However, walking around with a big smile on your face towards everything is a non-progressive dead end.
Full loot drop: "WARNING: This game may not be suitable for young players. You may die in this game and there is no save function!" - copied and pasted from the top of the forums
Yes, and if you loose all your stuff becouse of a bug or another player abuse you are to keep quiet and be happy 8)
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yea sure you could do that, or since this game is in beta, you can report the bug and hope that it gets fixed for when game is released. Oh, and you should stay happy because it doesn't effect your life and well being. Honestly bro, it's just a game. I've lost tons of shit to PKers, random encounters and yes even to some bugs. Why am I still smiling? Because, although I love this game, I also realize that none of this is real. It's all pixels. Go ahead and get angry of some green colored lumps on your screen going missing (my interpretation of brotherhood armor xD lol), but I for one will stay out of that. Honestly, the last time I lost 10k caps I simply said "fuuuck", realized the game handed me a shitty card and kept playing. It's actually kind of sad that virtual items are starting to gain more value than real items. Look at wow gold, runescape items, diablo 2 items, etc... you know what I mean.
Close the beta because we don't share the same point of view, nice, I like that one (insert sarcasm).
--- Quote from: kttdestroyer on October 11, 2010, 06:22:41 PM ---
PKers: If someone kills you in an unguarded town, what does that tell you? Unguarded towns aren't safe. Do you go there again under the same conditions? no. If someone kills you right under Hub twice, do you: A) walk through that square again hoping you'll miss the encounter, OR B) walk 1 square to the left and continue on your way, with FAR less chance of being PKed.
I bet it tells one to stay away from northen towns. How good they look now, the towns are just filled with life and traders. Perfect ::)
And while you walk around the PK spot you fall into another PK trap (which i personally treat as abuse, as the engine is just not made for this, at least how it looks now). And what choice you have then? Well, tell me. Quit the game becouse you cant do anything and wait for next wipe or wait until tommoro, maybe better chance then 8)
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Yea, I personally don't go to northern towns because I prefer to be protected at a low level. I only ever go to unprotected towns with my faction. As for PK traps, you can treat them however you like, for now that is how the game runs and I agree, it's faulty. Those options are quite closed minded my friend, I'd say do something else that's productive, log onto an alt and work on that or if you rage too much like a child hitting puberty then maybe you shouldn't play to begin with?
--- Quote from: kttdestroyer on October 11, 2010, 06:22:41 PM ---Thieves: A bunch of bluesuits are touching your ass even while you flee and/or push them away. Do you decide to do a big 10k trade with Sha Enin? If you're a moron or a VERY quick trader, then yes.
Would you see a diffrence in real life if someone is walking forward to you and giving you first aid or stealing from you? Or, maybe it DOES look the same to change your weapon, first aid yourself, doctor, dissamble a weapon, stealing and scratching your head(oh wait, that one got its own animation).
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The fact of the matter is, thieves use all these disguises to try and trick their targets into lowering their defenses. Everyone knows that thieving is VERY easy to avoid. Only those who are stubborn enough to try and trade even while thieves are present deserve to be stolen from. Simply put, trust no one, only your most trusted friends. Yes, that means people standing next to you have exclusive rights to be there because they are your friends, anyone else is a thief.
OH another tip for anti-thievery is to never leave the keyboard if you have items on you and are in town. I know I've seen some players do that. Another thing that is a little unpreventable is being disconnected and having your character sit in town with a giant thievery beacon saying (OFF). That needs to be fixed - for the most part players try and help thwart the efforts of thieves but, this logout/disconnect cooldown is not needed.
What is needed is a cooldown for people that logout or disconnect during combat. 1 minute disconnect/logout cooldown (penalty) only if done during combat (while in 'battle')
kttdestroyer:
--- Quote from: borse on October 11, 2010, 06:39:53 PM ---yea sure you could do that, or since this game is in beta, you can report the bug and hope that it gets fixed for when game is released. Honestly bro, it's just a game. I've lost tons of shit to PKers, random encounters and yes even to some bugs. Why am I still smiling? Because, although I love this game, I also realize that none of this is real. It's all pixels. Go ahead and get angry of some green colored lumps on your screen going missing (my interpretation of brotherhood armor xD lol), but I for one will stay out of that. Honestly, the last time I lost 10k caps I simply said "fuuuck", realized the game handed me a shitty card and kept playing.
Close the beta because we don't share the same point of view, nice, I like that one (insert sarcasm).
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Thats what many posts are about, whinning=bug reports. Other whinning is just ignored or moved. Its not about getting angry but enjoying the game. If you get killed in a guarded town and looted by killer friend, then there is not much to enjoy about? remember that this is not ment to happen, its a bug that is hard to deal with, it is NOT a feature like you seem to be claming most of the bugs/abuse possible areas are.
--- Quote from: borse on October 11, 2010, 06:39:53 PM ---Yea, I personally don't go to northern towns because I prefer to be protected at a low level. I only ever go to unprotected towns with my faction. As for PK traps, you can treat them however you like, for now that is how the game runs and I agree, it's faulty. Those options are quite closed minded my friend, I'd say do something else that's productive, log onto an alt and work on that or if you rage too much like a child hitting puberty then maybe you shouldn't play to begin with?
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Alts are not ment to be.
Well, we could just remove everything from the game and have a simple dice roll, when you walk to town you roll a dice (if you suceed you get 10k caps, if you fail your caps will be stolen). Dice roll over everything. Becouse, what decision can you make here? There is not any sure reward from your decision making.
--- Quote from: borse on October 11, 2010, 06:39:53 PM ---The fact of the matter is, thieves use all these disguises to try and trick their targets into lowering their defenses. Everyone knows that thieving is VERY easy to avoid. Only those who are stubborn enough to try and trade even while thieves are present deserve to be stolen from. Simply put, trust no one, only your most trusted friends. Yes, that means people standing next to you have exclusive rights to be there because they are your friends, anyone else is a thief.
OH another tip for anti-thievery is to never leave the keyboard if you have items on you and are in town. I know I've seen some players do that. Another thing that is a little unpreventable is being disconnected and having your character sit in town with a giant thievery beacon saying (OFF). That needs to be fixed - for the most part players try and help thwart the efforts of thieves but, this logout/disconnect cooldown is not needed.
What is needed is a cooldown for people that logout or disconnect during combat. 1 minute disconnect/logout cooldown (penalty) only if done during combat (while in 'battle')
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Well, best way to avoid thieves is to not walk into guarded towns at all (thats a solution by walking your path of thinking). Have you ever got a thief walking after you all the time? and even if you kill him he comes back 1 min later? Or a thief that puts stuff into your pocket (this bug is fixed now i blieve) and gives you message "someone tried to steal from you" and when you kill him, the guards kill you. So, the best solution is to go to NCR naked, lets have 20 bluesuits running around on the market, i mean, who doesint enjoy some blue colour for a change? 8)
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