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[RavenousRat]

1 luck would be ok in a pure damage build(in example jeo the rock). He will do almost no criticals anyway.

Haymaker adds 15% to critical.
So with 1 LK it'll be 16% critical.
But if you have 6 LK and some more crits, you may have almost every non-aimed punch critical.
Max possible without finesse is 25%+15%=40% in torso.
But with new Stonewall perk, knockdowns are... useless, because he'll have 10 EN and will be immune to knock downs, while critical non-aimed punch without knock downs is simply.. useless, yeah damage... but you'll deal more with SMG burst, and you get them anywhere, making non-aimed HtH build useless.
So better use aimed HtH build and aim in the eyes.
And even better don't use HtH build, but BG/SG-burster build. Right now they playing role of tanks and "melee".

[Cocain]

Haymaker adds 15% to critical.
So with 1 LK it'll be 16% critical.
But if you have 6 LK and some more crits, you may have almost every non-aimed punch critical.
Max possible without finesse is 25%+15%=40% in torso.
But with new Stonewall perk, knockdowns are... useless, because he'll have 10 EN and will be immune to knock downs, while critical non-aimed punch without knock downs is simply.. useless, yeah damage... but you'll deal more with SMG burst, and you get them anywhere, making non-aimed HtH build useless.
So better use aimed HtH build and aim in the eyes.
And even better don't use HtH build, but BG/SG-burster build. Right now they playing role of tanks and "melee".

im confused again :S

[Dark Angel]

what about 1 LK + haymaker in the eyes? what chance to to crit?

[gordulan]

22%

15%+1%+6%...

[Sarakin]

22%

15%+1%+6%...

+6% from what ?
Its 54.4%

[gordulan]

AFAIK the formula for eyecrits is as follows.

(60*LK/10)+Crit Chance+Bonus=Final Crit Chance
therefore
(60*1/10)+1+15=22

22% crit chance according to my calculations

And, it can't be 54% chance, or anywhere near it no matter your combination, a 1 Lck character is mauled the fuck out of in terms of crit chance, crit chance is up to 72% reliant on luck

[Sarakin]

AFAIK the formula for eyecrits is as follows.

(60*LK/10)+Crit Chance+Bonus=Final Crit Chance
therefore
(60*1/10)+1+15=22

22% crit chance according to my calculations

And, it can't be 54% chance, or anywhere near it no matter your combination, a 1 Lck character is mauled the fuck out of in terms of crit chance, crit chance is up to 72% reliant on luck

Its (60+4*LK)/100 * 60% = eye bonus %

[Dark Angel]

Meh..

So its 22% or 54 % ?

[RavenousRat]

Meh..

So its 22% or 54 % ?

53.4% ;p

Just look on formula.

Even with simply 1 LK and any weapon (not haymaker) it's 38.4% to crit.
Haymaker adds 15%, so 53.4%.

Edit: Oh noes, I forgot to add 1% as crit chance, so it's 54.4%.

[gordulan]

that's sorta, crazy good I guess, but then again, it's in the eyes...

[Cocain]

guess i wont build a pure damage unarmed char then

[Cultist]

guess i wont build a pure damage unarmed char then

the only use hth ever has is insta kills because its easy to get a 95% crit rate and even that is only really useful in pve since you can't aimed shot players unless they are total newbs.

[Cocain]

question.. how many crit % i need for a decent hth char?

[Dark Angel]

53.4% ;p

Just look on formula.

Even with simply 1 LK and any weapon (not haymaker) it's 38.4% to crit.
Haymaker adds 15%, so 53.4%.

Edit: Oh noes, I forgot to add 1% as crit chance, so it's 54.4%.

So nice Guy, i see my Unarmed with 253 hp will not sux :p

[Kardia]

Making a pure dmg melee ISNT impossible especially after the drug change (no more impossible to kill super psychoers). Pure dmg is easier
to twist around than critical melee/unarmed...for example thanks to the lesser need of skill points you could for example add 3-5 CH and
magnetic personality to have 2-3 lil helpers in pve/pvp.
 Mercs/slaves would for example help locate the critters/players when set on aggressive, so you
 know where to head towards.

Pure dmg also has another great thing about it, ap cost of attacking to be exact. With just 2 ap needed per ripper/mega power fist and 3 for super sledge,
the gun using opponent will have great pain trying to run away in TB for example... with current drug systems id say around 14ap is tops you can get,
however that joy needs you to take multiple drugs.
 Still, even without drugs with TB the opponent would have to constantly run without shooting at you if they dont want you to catch and whack them
 multiple times with your little toy...but if you do manage to catch and not die it will be almost impossible for most common builds to run away from you.

However it is rather easy for them to just blast your brains out if they have enough distance, as building pure dmg to be durable isnt easy with
 total lack of toughnesses, and living anatomy +12ap needs you to sacrifice both lifegivers (hp isnt still horribly low thanks to easy to get 10EN)
 or then giving up action boys for 250hp but just 10ap