Other > Closed suggestions
Big Guns nearfing (again ? yeah again)
Shangalar:
Not at all, Bigguns are vital part of the gameplay. Just try to avoid everyone to use it.
Nice_Boat:
--- Quote from: Shangalar on January 14, 2010, 04:09:38 pm ---Not at all, Bigguns are vital part of the gameplay. Just try to avoid everyone to use it.
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The thing is it's more of a fashion/personnal preference than anything else. A few weeks ago everyone was running with sniper rifles/laser rifles/plasma rifles/rocket launchers. Hell, you could see a lot of those builds in the Necropolis event. What balance changes occured? Basically, none. And suddenly a group of people is all like "let's nerf Big Guns cause they're too strong"... I mean, wtf? Where were those people before? Most of the ideas presented here are ridiculous, and I didn't see a single objective argument for a balance change - it's all opinions and no facts. Curiously enough, the first dude to say something constructive and true to the reality of the game was Kilgore, whom you cared to call a retard. What the hell, people, just what the hell.
EDIT:
How come all those attempts at "rebalancing" the game are basically partisan actions of individuals distraught by something that happened to them in game? Get a scientific approach if you want to tinkle with the endgame PvP. Record at least 10 different engagements in varying cities, determine how range and wounds (ie. crippled eyes or hands) influence damage output of the most successful players and count how much damage each typical build is able to dish out. Then divide the damage by the ammount of resources (would be best to use time units) required to craft/aquire a supply of ammo necessary for such an engagement to determine how cost-effective a given weapon is. That would be the correct way of doing it, not some bullshit posts like "minigun strong, lasrifle weak" based on foundations that are questionable to say the least.
Shangalar:
Now that everyone has enough ressources to have full BG team, we can see the problems of these weapons. Not because you are using it. Because everyone is using it. Anyway, that's a suggestion. You're against ? No problem, just stop to defend your position just because you cant play anything else.
Edit : Oh yeah. So, because you feel that you spent enough hours on no-life crafting, you have the right to have the best weapons all time ? We dont have all the same time to play, but we dont want to be penalized because of that.
Nice_Boat:
--- Quote from: Shangalar on January 14, 2010, 04:28:52 pm ---Now that everyone has enough ressources to have full BG team, we can see the problems of these weapons. Not because you are using it. Because everyone is using it. Anyway, that's a suggestion. You're against ? No problem, just stop to defend your position just because you cant play anything else.
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My powerbuild is an EW sniper. And we were talking about the game, not me, yes? The fact that everyone is making a full BG team does not necessarily mean BG teams are the only way to go, it means that everyone is making a full BG team. You need more evidence to sustain an argument like that. Learn some logics. And no, saying your oponent in the discussion is a retard or doesn't know how to play anything else is not valid evidence. It's simply you being rude for no reason.
--- Quote from: Shangalar on January 14, 2010, 04:28:52 pm ---Edit : Oh yeah. So, because you feel that you spent enough hours on no-life crafting, you have the right to have the best weapons all time ? We dont have all the same time to play, but we dont want to be penalized because of that.
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Actually, that's the way this game works. Just think what's at the different side of this spectrum - Gauss Rifles for everyone for free, instant 21 lvls? With an approach like that you might try playing Fallout Tactics instead. It's all easy and effortless there. Besides if you think that crafting takes too much time, maybe you should try blaming crafting system instead of the weapons.
Shangalar:
When I said you, I meant BBS. Because, of course, it's about that. Your lyric way of talking is just showing me one thing : you and your mates are happy with your minigun squad, and dont wanna balanced diversity at all. Bigguns are more powerful than anything else and need to be rebalanced, only an interested can say the contrary. Anyway, the devs will make the difference.
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