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gordulan

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Re: Questions and Answers #3
« Reply #90 on: August 04, 2010, 10:44:46 pm »

actually, It seems to ignore the +30%dr from finesse then shooting at the torso/unaimed, so it'squite bugged I'd say
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Re: Questions and Answers #3
« Reply #91 on: August 04, 2010, 10:49:35 pm »

50% from mag JHP ammo + 30% Finesse = 80%

Oh right, I forgot about that.

.44 JHP gives a 3x damage bonus along with the 50% DR. So you're looking at 36-54 base damage (average of 45), modified by 50% DR from the ammo, +30% from Finesse. On Radscorpions, that would do an average of 9 damage on a non-crit. On enemies with 20% natural DR or more, yeah, it would be 0 damage.

But if you score a crit, their natural DR and the DR from Finesse is canceled, so you should still do more than 0 damage, if you're critting. Not sure if the ammo's DR bonus is also canceled (probably not).

Final answer: Use 14mm AP or .223 FMJ to level a Finesse character at first.  ;)
« Last Edit: August 04, 2010, 10:53:01 pm by John Hancock »
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gordulan

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Re: Questions and Answers #3
« Reply #92 on: August 04, 2010, 10:54:24 pm »

actually, it cancels for all other JHP ammo with bypass crits, so you do a fuckload of damage with 5mm and 10mm JHP when bypassing armour.
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John Hancock

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Re: Questions and Answers #3
« Reply #93 on: August 04, 2010, 10:56:26 pm »

actually, it cancels for all other JHP ammo with bypass crits, so you do a fuckload of damage with 5mm and 10mm JHP when bypassing armour.

Whoa, the ammo's inherent 50% DR bonus is canceled, too?

SWEET.
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« Reply #94 on: August 05, 2010, 01:06:35 am »

Hum, bypass each time with better critical is in very old crit table, actual, there is a lot less bypass: they still happen, but not always/often.
Also, it's even less bypass in head, and the most frequent shot is in the head.
Actually, with finesse, you will do really low damage, particulary on armoured target or with JHP ammo, but even with AP.
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Re: Questions and Answers #3
« Reply #95 on: August 05, 2010, 02:04:59 am »

Ah. Well, if they've altered the Fallout 2 crit tables so that bypass doesn't happen all (or most) of the time... then as others have said, I suppose Finesse is crippler-only.

As originally written, with Better Criticals you would always bypass armor. I did notice that the devs raised instakill criticals from 101+ to 115+.
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Re: Questions and Answers #3
« Reply #96 on: August 05, 2010, 05:15:09 am »

the .44 JHP doesn't get cancelled, you'll still do 0 damage when aiming at appendages (eyes, head, arms, legs), however, the finesse damage nerf is rejected when shooting the torso
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« Reply #97 on: August 05, 2010, 05:26:37 am »

Well I noticed today that both bypasses and knockout have been improved (happen more often). And well, i have to cry: SNIPER OP!
Man, in the fight today, sniper have the same DPS than me with my avenger, and i spend most of my time lying on the ground watching my HP decreasing and the red AP bar don't move.
Knockout is the worst critical you can eat with instant...
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Re: Questions and Answers #3
« Reply #98 on: August 05, 2010, 09:52:56 am »

the .44 JHP doesn't get cancelled, you'll still do 0 damage when aiming at appendages (eyes, head, arms, legs), however, the finesse damage nerf is rejected when shooting the torso

how is it rejected? I dont get it? I shoot torso with finesse and? the 30% from finesse doesnt count? WTF?
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gordulan

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« Reply #99 on: August 05, 2010, 11:31:02 am »

as far as I've played it, it plays out like that, but then again, it makes up for the permanent 0 damage limb attacks, so yeah, that ammo is quite bugged. Hipefully a dev will look through the ammo once again, because the armour bypass crits shouldn't do 0 damage, ever, I'd say it's pretty fucked up, now to dust off my copy of arcanum and play it once again, FOnline has gotten a bit bland, for now at least... Bloody .44JHP slugs, ruin a weapon I've wanted to use with my crippler...
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Re: Questions and Answers #3
« Reply #100 on: August 05, 2010, 12:18:30 pm »

Does Bonus Ranged Damage apply to every individual bullet in a burst?
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Re: Questions and Answers #3
« Reply #101 on: August 05, 2010, 12:28:24 pm »

To make it short, yes it does.

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Re: Questions and Answers #3
« Reply #102 on: August 05, 2010, 12:40:37 pm »

If I kill some city's patrols or caravans (junktown scouts, or any caravan) will my rep lower to the city?
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Re: Questions and Answers #3
« Reply #103 on: August 05, 2010, 01:16:59 pm »

Well I noticed today that both bypasses and knockout have been improved (happen more often). And well, i have to cry: SNIPER OP!
Man, in the fight today, sniper have the same DPS than me with my avenger, and i spend most of my time lying on the ground watching my HP decreasing and the red AP bar don't move.
Knockout is the worst critical you can eat with instant...
What's your endurance and/or LK? Eat buffout, make 10 LK, knockouts will be a holiday for your enemy.
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Re: Questions and Answers #3
« Reply #104 on: August 05, 2010, 04:40:47 pm »

What affects merc prices? I wanted to buy a minigun merc for 1000 caps at the NCR and she wanted over 8000 caps from me.  :-\
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