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Re: seriously make it easier
« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2010, 01:05:38 am »

wise words said here

thats how people used to wasteland behave, learn the reality and progress, as far as you can keep your life after being killed its not a problem at all:P
seriously, in postapo reality it would be this same except the repeatable dying part :)

quests are already here, players are willing to help, you just have to talk with them
Ive made new char with a promise for myself not to use any knowledge Ive gathered until someone tells me the trick first.
just by talking, without using past experience Ive gathered tent and some guns in 30 minutes :)

problem isnt the game, or with the old players, the new just tend to suck
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Re: seriously make it easier
« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2010, 01:07:10 am »

I wish it would be always that "hard" as at the beginning.  :-[
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Re: seriously make it easier
« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2010, 01:20:47 am »

problem isnt the game, or with the old players, the new just tend to suck

coming from an old player that just isn't credible at all. even if you asked people, you still knew what you should ask and where you should ask it. what stops an actual noob from asking a pker for help in broken hills? aside from the rocket/minigun to the face.
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Re: seriously make it easier
« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2010, 02:20:10 am »

That fact that it's hard to ask for help when your head is already blown off by said rocketlauncher/minigun
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Re: seriously make it easier
« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2010, 09:22:51 am »

you still knew what you should ask and where you should ask it

No, Ive just entered first city Ive seen and said "hello" then Ive let things go on by themself.
Whats the point of such experiment if Id use my knowledge? I dont need cheating to have fun :)
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Re: seriously make it easier
« Reply #50 on: July 16, 2010, 09:52:50 am »

Yah know another way to fix alot of the problem is do what that one poster said and implement the trials from Fallout 2, give your character a spear, some low level armor, and a few monsters for exp. 

You get items when you start and can do a few quests in the town you start near.
Those quests involve running around the town a bit.
I have to agree it's a bit strange that you start out hiding somewhere in the wasteland, a harsh world hostile people and critters, yet you're unarmed.
Starting with a spear and 1 or 2 bags of healing powder makes a lot more sense.
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Re: seriously make it easier
« Reply #51 on: July 16, 2010, 10:25:09 am »

I have to agree it's a bit strange that you start out hiding somewhere in the wasteland, a harsh world hostile people and critters, yet you're unarmed.
Starting with a spear and 1 or 2 bags of healing powder makes a lot more sense.

 - go to a random mountain locations, collect 2 flints and xander root and brock flower
 - craft weak healing powders (you need 40% first aid, level 1 chars with 6 PE, 7 IN and Good natured trait have 41%)
 - craft a primitive tool
 - go to a random town ruins location, collect 1 junk and cut a tree with primitive tool
 - craft sharpened pole, then craft a spear, then craft a sharpened spear

There you go. You have the items you mentioned. It takes maybe 10 minutes.

One of the biggest mistakes of newbies is false assumption that starting with some better items will make the game easier for them. It won't be easier. Even starting with tent, minigun, combat armor and 10k caps won't make it significantly easier, maybe for a day or two until they lose it all again. If you are unwilling to learn by yourself about the dangers and how to avoid / fight them, if you don't want to die many times in the process of learning, you won't "level up" as a player from newbie. Some additional crappy items at start or "newbie location" won't help here.

What we need is a really good beginner guide / tutorial. There was a guide writing competition. To be honest the guides are mediocre in my opinion, but you can start with reading them. But what I'm afraid is that most new players won't read any guides and continue whining that the game is hard.
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Re: seriously make it easier
« Reply #52 on: July 16, 2010, 10:36:05 am »

- go to a random mountain locations, collect 2 flints and xander root and brock flower
 - craft weak healing powders (you need 40% first aid, level 1 chars with 6 PE, 7 IN and Good natured trait have 41%)
 - craft a primitive tool
 - go to a random town ruins location, collect 1 junk and cut a tree with primitive tool
 - craft sharpened pole, then craft a spear, then craft a sharpened spear

There you go. You have the items you mentioned. It takes maybe 10 minutes.

One of the biggest mistakes of newbies is false assumption that starting with some better items will make the game easier for them. It won't be easier. Even starting with tent, minigun, combat armor and 10k caps won't make it significantly easier, maybe for a day or two until they lose it all again. If you are unwilling to learn by yourself about the dangers and how to avoid / fight them, if you don't want to die many times in the process of learning, you won't "level up" as a player from newbie. Some additional crappy items at start or "newbie location" won't help here.

What we need is a really good beginner guide / tutorial. There was a guide writing competition, so you can start with reading them.
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Re: seriously make it easier
« Reply #53 on: July 16, 2010, 10:52:11 am »

This game is cruel to newbies, only if they can't adapt and survive. Hell I can bet psychologically unstable folks would blow their brains out over what's said and done in this game. The best advice I can give you is to watch your own back, be careful who you place your trust in, if the game starts pissing you off, calm down.

If you are unable to calm down on your own take some nerve pills(steal/ask for some from someone with PTSD, or get PTSD by facing a near death experience), and calm down.

New players that survive should use the survival skills of a rabbit, who has to outwit and outrun predators, Remember, when you start out, you are the prey, and you should be wary of predators. Carry minimal gear with you, and avoid other players like you would like to avoid getting warts on your junk, this helps prevent thefts if there's nothing to steal, as well as softening the burn when you die, as you are losing less.

Try to be the bigger man when bad shit happens, because it's going to happen... Alot... Try throwing your murderers off guard, compliment them on the damage done, thank them for the chance to use FA, and if you have high outdoorsman thank them for the EXP you get from dodging encounters getting back to where you want to be. Don't let learning to play the game get to you, trust me, there's a big learning curve I think even the most experienced players haven't gone through it completely.
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Re: seriously make it easier
« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2010, 12:59:46 pm »

One of the biggest mistakes of newbies is false assumption that starting with some better items will make the game easier for them. It won't be easier.

I'm not saying it will be easier.
Story wise it's strange that you are a traveler hiding from sand storm.
One would expect a traveler in such a world to be armed with a low level weapon like a knife (not the combat one), a sharpened pole, a spear (not the sharpened one) or an old shovel and carrying 1 or 2 healing powders or an antidote.
You would expect travelers in such a harsh world to arm and protect themselves as good as possible before traveling.
Thus grabbing the best weapon they have available and some medication.
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Re: seriously make it easier
« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2010, 09:59:49 pm »

I was wondering that myself, from your characters backstory where you spawn you are decently average in the wasteland so why are you wearing a bluesuit with no useful items whatsoever except for selling?

Also the game would be easier if you started out with some items if you combined it with the only 20% chance of item loss suggestion as well, there would be much better support for newbs and it wouldn't fuck it up for pkers. My theory is most people arguing it are level 21s who enjoy being able to one hit kill everything while nothing really opposes them, and if the game got easier they would have more opposition which fucks up their powertrip. I can understand it being hard but its harder than it should be because of faggots like I just described.
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Re: seriously make it easier
« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2010, 11:46:23 pm »

I was wondering that myself, from your characters backstory where you spawn you are decently average in the wasteland so why are you wearing a bluesuit with no useful items whatsoever except for selling?

I wouldn't care, but it'd make item farming through spamming char creation possible... then again, shit tier stuff like a pipe rifle and 5 bullets could work. But then again you could get this stuff real fast and you're going to lose it anyway, so why even bother?

Also the game would be easier if you started out with some items if you combined it with the only 20% chance of item loss suggestion as well, there would be much better support for newbs and it wouldn't fuck it up for pkers.

So you're low level, didn't even get your own tent set up and suddenly you're saying what's good for PKers? Currently there's 100% item loss and at times it seems like it's about 500% below what's needed, but hey, let's let the noobs decide.

My theory is most people arguing it are level 21s who enjoy being able to one hit kill everything while nothing really opposes them, and if the game got easier they would have more opposition which fucks up their powertrip. I can understand it being hard but its harder than it should be because of faggots like I just described.

My theory is most people wouldn't even bother checking your corpse if not for an odd chance of you carrying some minerals, ore or a healing item or two. Moreover, my theory is those max level guys have way more opposition than you do. You oppose the gameworld, which is easy once you learn it - and we oppose each other, which leads to some interesting power struggles and arms races. What I'm saying is this game doesn't get easier, it actually gets harder once you start fighting people instead of AI critters. You'll understand if you stay around long enough to fight a TC battle in which you're outnumbered and outgunned. If you can't hack, you probably should find something better to do instead of blaming "faggots" or game mechanics or whatnot.

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Re: seriously make it easier
« Reply #57 on: July 17, 2010, 03:35:31 am »

Are you trying to imply that I only have the one character and have never gotten past level ten just because of the little character information I've made available to you?
yeah lets let the noobs that would make up 80% more of the game population and bring the game to popularity if they didn't quit decide, after all they're noobs and don't know whats best for a game since clearly people who have played fallout 2 since it was made to this day have a wide range of gaming experience, and if you know little of fallout 2 than you have no experience with anything at all in life, especially not other games.

You're also implying that those guys have opposition, when their "opposition" is usually the same exact guys, different tag.

And god knows I know nothing about PK or PvP, I've clearly only started playing online games because I'm new to this one. there is no way i could of had any experience with PvP in the past, and if I did it must be sissy PvP where everyone is at even odds and ultra gear the second they join huh?

I was a major PKer on the first MMORPG made for around six years, I know what earning your way to the top is and thats not what is going on here. Whats going on here is a pyramid scheme being ran and own by one person, with a thousand alts to help them to the top. Whats going on here is people feeling they have the need to make the game harder on everyone else because thats what they think would be fun and if people don't think like them than they shouldn't play or have a voice in how the game should be molded. The only reason any of this has so much back to it is because the only people really left around are with the same mindset, because everyone else quit or are sitting in the corners of the website until beta finishes. If this game gets support the way it is through beta it will turn out like this after beta, and it will become a cult enjoyment that is barely heard of instead of mainstream popularity all because the minority overthrew the majority and took it's place using the games current state to an advantage.

As well it doesn't matter if the pkers loot your objects, either someone else will take them or the pkers will use it as bait for you. And what happens once these noobs finally get onto the same track as the pros? They become the exact same asshole that killed them over and over for no personal gain, either thinking it was fun or thinking they were doing the noobs a favor showing how hard the wasteland is. No thats not how hard it is, thats how hard they're making it. Guards don't do their job, there is no true safe public place, and the only people at fault for this are the people who exploit it for no gain, AKA 70% of the populace.
For this reason noobs can't complete quests, they get killed in between quests and loose the quest items, they get killed after the quest and loose quest items, they get given a tent and end up constantly getting killed in different places until they run out of replacement items, they end up having to keep their heads low 100% of the time, in environments that should of been safe for them. They have to pay a penalty for death by spending 5 minutes walking all the way across the map back to their tent only to get replacement armor, a new weapon, and get shot again.
There aren't any NPCs doing this, there aren't any special events in town that pop up and do this, this is just other people being jackasses to players because they want it to be hard for them. Why? because thats what jackasses do.
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« Reply #58 on: July 17, 2010, 11:34:41 am »

Are you trying to imply that I only have the one character and have never gotten past level ten just because of the little character information I've made available to you?

You have more and you have problems setting up a tent? Man, there are other games out there you know.

yeah lets let the noobs that would make up 80% more of the game population and bring the game to popularity if they didn't quit decide, after all they're noobs and don't know whats best for a game since clearly people who have played fallout 2 since it was made to this day have a wide range of gaming experience, and if you know little of fallout 2 than you have no experience with anything at all in life, especially not other games.

Hahahahah oh wow. You're mistaking server population with the NCR population I guess. See, out of the 300 people online, probably about 100 at a time belong to one of the 3 major factions, about the same number are 21 lvls that didn't do that well with the politics and the remaining 100 is people like you, most of them working to improve their position instead of crying how unfair it is. You're actually a minority, but you tend to be displeased by your lack of progress and spam the forums with threads like these. Heck, I'd say that if you checked the forum population you'd notice that most people here belong to a faction that could say a word or two when it comes to the endgame.

You're also implying that those guys have opposition, when their "opposition" is usually the same exact guys, different tag.

This is actually a hilarious claim which makes me want to imply that you have no knowledge whatsoever of how it works at the top. But I won't, because arguing with you any further is pointless.

And god knows I know nothing about PK or PvP, I've clearly only started playing online games because I'm new to this one. there is no way i could of had any experience with PvP in the past, and if I did it must be sissy PvP where everyone is at even odds and ultra gear the second they join huh?

I was a major PKer on the first MMORPG made for around six years, I know what earning your way to the top is and thats not what is going on here. Whats going on here is a pyramid scheme being ran and own by one person, with a thousand alts to help them to the top.

What does having played a different game have to do with this? You're like a little girl bitching about Redeemer being overpowered in UT because you used to play Q3 before and there wasn't such a thing there. Alts are a part of this game for the time being and are not prohibited. There's no "one person", and actually quite a few groups at the top would recruit almost anyone just to get a slight edge on their opposition.

Whats going on here is people feeling they have the need to make the game harder on everyone else because thats what they think would be fun and if people don't think like them than they shouldn't play or have a voice in how the game should be molded. The only reason any of this has so much back to it is because the only people really left around are with the same mindset, because everyone else quit or are sitting in the corners of the website until beta finishes. If this game gets support the way it is through beta it will turn out like this after beta, and it will become a cult enjoyment that is barely heard of instead of mainstream popularity all because the minority overthrew the majority and took it's place using the games current state to an advantage.

Actually there's new people joining and staying all the time. Being a member of a discontent minority doesn't make you right.

blah blah blah... they end up having to keep their heads low 100% of the time, in environments that should of been safe for them ... blah blah blah

See, that's where you make a mistake. There isn't supposed to be a safe open environment in this game. It's a design choice. Don't like it? There's plenty other mmorpgs to go around. Also, the SDK is going out in a few weeks so just wait for a server run by carebears for carebears a bit more.

There aren't any NPCs doing this, there aren't any special events in town that pop up and do this, this is just other people being jackasses to players because they want it to be hard for them. Why? because thats what jackasses do.

Be a man and do something about it. Someone being a jackass to you is no reason for you to come here saying "hey, let's remake this game so I don't die/don't lose any itamz plox."

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Re: seriously make it easier
« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2010, 01:03:54 am »

The best part of that is when you said there was no point in arguing with me halfway through, so you argue even more.
And the only truth arguement you had there was complaining about the redeemer, but I actually like the balance it had in the game. Good spawn time, good position, however you seem like the kind of person who gets anal on smash brothers and always picks no items, both fox, final destination, than calls people a pussy if they pick anything else. You know, a minority of the gamer community.
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