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Step Up And Dance With The Players
Wichura:
Hold on, aren't we all hating Jovanka this month? Haters gonna schedule the hate or else chaos will spread.
--- Quote from: Rain on April 19, 2013, 10:27:45 pm ---Fonline as a democracy would have incredible possibilities.
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Democracy is one of the worst ideas to rule anything, even some indie computer game.
--- Quote from: Nice_Boat on April 19, 2013, 10:42:22 pm ---PvP gangs
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These are just some weaklings, core of this game are NCR idlers and nessies, hiding in their caves. Only they seem to be still on the 2238 server, semper fidelis.
Alvarez:
--- Quote from: DeputyDope on April 19, 2013, 11:25:46 pm ---consequence of what?
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Consequence of attacking the developers, as if they were some kind of evil dictators and not a bunch of people who just enjoy to code.
--- Quote from: Rain on April 20, 2013, 02:35:46 am ---An arystocracy,fixed-A government of the best.Oldfags in every field pick up decision throu an assembly.That might work.
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This meritocratic society will have to be able to code and script. And in the end, they become the boo-men of the next generation of whiners. Its inevitable.
--- Quote from: Rain link=topic=28909.msg250752#msg250752 ---One thing i don't get,why there is always someone that defends devs team regardless of the situation.Other people that don't understand what *obviously* means.They have acted really,really bad,and that seem obvious.Or someone dares to say that three years ago Dev team used to act the same..?I am afraid Boat wasted his time.
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I defend them because they are the people bringing updates, not NiceBoat. And if you hate the game, why do you keep playing here and whining? Go on TLA instead. Bunch of revolutionaries, all of you, my ass.
Nice_Boat:
--- Quote from: Alvarez on April 20, 2013, 08:30:57 am ---Consequence of attacking the developers, as if they were some kind of evil dictators and not a bunch of people who just enjoy to code.
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This meritocratic society will have to be able to code and script. And in the end, they become the boo-men of the next generation of whiners. Its inevitable.
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Right, just like id software was infinitely flamed for releasing Quake, Blizzard is universally hated for WoW, Diablo 2 and Brood War, that dude from Turkey and his wife were abused for bringing us Mount and Blade etc. Not indie, you say? How about Slender, DayZ, Advanced Combat Environment, Counter-Strike or even TLA mk2? The notion that the players are always against the devs and that constant whine and hate are inevitable is nothing more than a lie that's supposed to cover up the fact that 2238 devs have made their fair share of mistakes... seeing people buy into that is just sad, because it all boils down to avoiding the problems instead of working to overcome them. Just look at this thread - it's as if Samira wasn't able to distinguish between criticizing the game and criticizing herself as a human being. She makes it personal, gets all defensive and in the end nothing gets done because she isn't able to admit there's a problem and the new updates she most probably worked on are to blame. Nobody denies she's a good scriptwriter, but it takes more than that to build a good game. Features that are bad from a design standpoint won't become good even when implemented by an expert coder.
--- Quote from: Alvarez on April 20, 2013, 08:30:57 am ---I defend them because they are the people bringing updates, not NiceBoat. And if you hate the game, why do you keep playing here and whining? Go on TLA instead. Bunch of revolutionaries, all of you, my ass.
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Most people don't like those updates and strongly feel like bringing back the old 2238 with a few improvements would be the right way to go. We also loved the game back when it was playable, even with its share of problems and we would love to see it getting back on track. How is this so hard to understand? How does being passionate about a game we helped build and balance with years of attendance and player content creation make us a bunch of whiners? Actually it's pretty understandable that people get upset, I mean the new 2238 is nothing like 2238 from 2010 and people might feel cheated out of their favorite server, especially since it's still called 2238 and not Jovanka's Hipster Adventure.
And in all honesty, I think more entertaining content was created by gang members than the new breed of devs - most of whom we remember as NCR idlers back when they were playing, which doesn't really make them any more respectable. The last war against SoT increased the number of people logging it and playing the game, while the last few updates pushed plenty of people away. Right now the core of the server population are the nessies, who by definition don't create anything for other players because their way of playing boils down to avoiding player interaction whenever possible, even if they play with a small group of friends or something like that.
dskpnk:
problem is i played for 4 years 2238, an the game is always the same, ok things sounds good now (i think rly few things need to be reworked) but we need new things, i try TLA, it's like a DLC for fonline came, higher lvl cap, and higher stuff, great feature (radar/auction/private farm locations etc etc...)
just bring new content, for that just read it :
http://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,28804.0.html
Roachor:
Jovanka wasn't the problem she was a symptom of it. Fonline has long suffered from GM's with terrible ideas (lexx, surf, jov) that get listened to purely because they are in the "inner circle" despite these people not know the first thing about successful game design. The rotators themselves are so divorced from the community they could be dead for a year before anyone found out. All the good suggestions get crapped on and the terrible suggestions get listened to. This is why after years the game has less content than animal crossing and honestly should just be aborted so they don't inflict poor randoms looking for a cool f2 mmo with this shit before they find out about the other servers. Jovanka's borderline trolling "changes to the game" is just what happens when the smart people don't give a shit and hand the game over to whatever no-life is dumb enough to work for free for years on a terrible project.
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