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How to get Plasma Torch - TS
DeputyDope:
--- Quote from: BenKain on April 17, 2013, 10:15:22 pm ---Wait, what, huh? How do the players matter, even one shit, to the way the game is developed?
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the players offer feedback on how to make the game better?
Floodnik:
--- Quote from: BenKain on April 17, 2013, 10:15:22 pm ---Wait, what, huh? How do the players matter, even one shit, to the way the game is developed? At its root, this is the devs game to with what they wish.
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Quite wrong :/
Anyway this is progress, maybe such a harsh discussion will encourage some people to change their minds?
Wipe:
You'd be suprised how much influence on game can have players opinion. But first you have to step beyond the forum, as its been made impossible to discuss anything here. And i'm glad that i never was nor will be seen as "voice of Rotators", so i can present just my own opinion; i'd used it, and now i'm going to stop, i derailed the thread enough :]
Nice_Boat:
--- Quote from: Wipe on April 17, 2013, 10:05:13 pm ---You can't repeat same thing expecting different results; i do remember and miss times when average player like me could talk with Solar about the changes. I really liked it, even if i didn't get a shit when he got into details why item x costs 100 and not 110 caps... but there was others, which could. And Solar's chit-chats with them most likely helped to tune things up.
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Jesus Christ, I don't even... if you don't understand how this game's economy works, how the hell did you arrive at the conclusion that messing with it so hard is going to be a good idea? I'm trying to be constructive here, have you ever tried looking for someone to replace Solar? What's with this happy-go-lucky attitude, do you seriously think you're going to stumble into something good if you keep implementing random stuff all the time?
--- Quote from: Wipe on April 17, 2013, 10:05:13 pm ---There's no such people now, these which could help keep the same tone everywhere, so they're no help now - stopped at the point of "i don't play it", without courage/strong will/balls to just let it go. It happens, yes. With who we have to talk? People which actually want to keep this little project go further and have something in the head, are hardly seen between the so-called oldtimers which are still here just to mess around. What for? I'd rather see new faces which have something to say and can explain their vision, not old farts which are stuck with putting their opinions about the game whenever typing is possible.
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Have you ever actually tried getting solid community input? I mean CCP made some sick cash with EVE online, they have a massive player base and yet they actually have elected community representatives helping them with balancing the game and there's plenty of mutual respect. Why can't you learn from other, successful teams? They also have a real-life free market economist hired full-time helping them with the trade mechanics and similar stuff. You admit you lack the ability to create a consistent vision of this game and yet you've never tried doing something similar even though the working development model is readily available - it's enough to get off your ass and implement it, but I guess yet another brahmin shit script has a higher priority here. Have you ever tried getting similar help? Do you think it's needed? Do you think you're going to get it if you keep insulting the experienced players like in the post I quote?
--- Quote from: Wipe on April 17, 2013, 10:05:13 pm ---Even if they don't know shit about it.
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What are your credentials when it comes to playing the game? Actually, is there anyone on your team who was a successful player? Everybody knows you people were the definition of casual when it comes to playing the game before you became the devs, why are you acting like you know everything there's to know about the player experience?
Tomowolf:
--- Quote from: Wipe on April 17, 2013, 10:25:44 pm --- And i'm glad that i never was nor will be seen as "voice of Rotators", so i can present just my own opinion; i'd used it, and now i'm going to stop, i derailed the thread enough :]
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Well, JovankaB got the "status" in bad times and bad place, so... shit happens ;D ;D ;D.
I still got some hope, but I if it still will go this way...
Have fun.
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