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[T-888]

What you don't seem to understand is that you farm because that's the most efficient way obtaining gear at the moment, the game forces you to do it in some way.

The player does it, not the game, you choose how. Scrub.

So how do we solve that whole thing of contradicting mechanics?

Shows some bunch of unrelated shit and let's solve it.

Why harr you so blunt?

[Mrockatansky]

Oh boy. You need a Hinkleyforum just for you alone.
Since you appeared you tell people to stu and gtfo.
You have too much spare time, too litle ego and wayyyy too many dictionaries.


>The player does it, not the game, you choose how. Scrub.

a few pages back it was
 "me understand game better than all of you, my farming is superior"
anybody else pointing out the same thing is called that new word you learned in this thread.

>Shows some bunch of unrelated shit and let's solve it.

That bunch of unrelated shit is the game you play, partly.
Smart as you are you noticed the internal contradiction yourself, calling it unrelated.
Good. Now would you care to come up with suggestions how to balance crafting/farming?

>Why harr you so blunt?

what happend to win discussion by facts?

You change like a weather pattern to feed your tiny ego, wrapping some pseudo arguments around your sad litle insult attempts.

[Giftless]

That's precisely a scrubs way of thinking, your own mental rules which prevent you to fully participate in certain activities and compete, what did you except if your not wearing armor? Or you don't have an appropriate character and the rest of your buddies are the same level, naive thinking scrubs. Then suddenly it is boring and your having fun differently on top of million excuses.

Actually I regularly suit up with combat armor and superstims if the encounter looks legit, but no way am I wasting good gear against guys who are masters of the cheap frag and broken gameplay mechanics. Keep your 10 to 1 odds, unlimited TC gear, and min/max builds out of the game and we could have interesting engagements. 

[Cheesey Dean]

Actually I regularly suit up with combat armor and superstims if the encounter looks legit, but no way am I wasting good gear against guys who are masters of the cheap frag and broken gameplay mechanics. Keep your 10 to 1 odds, unlimited TC gear, and min/max builds out of the game and we could have interesting engagements. 

Agreed. I have a jack of all trades SG burster, and sometimes I just feel outclassed by faggots camping with miniguns and laser rifles. But, I don't give up and I've killed my fair share of players.

[Gaizk]

Actually I regularly suit up with combat armor and superstims if the encounter looks legit, but no way am I wasting good gear against guys who are masters of the cheap frag and broken gameplay mechanics. Keep your 10 to 1 odds, unlimited TC gear, and min/max builds out of the game and we could have interesting engagements. 

That would resume why some of the nessies dont bother coming out of their caves and a big deal of this thread.

Yes a lot of them are casuals, scrubs and a combination of thereof and some nessies do know what they're doing, but in the end, they CHOOSE to be nessies given the odds of playing in here, given the hands they are dealt.

In summary (for me at best) PvP Apes got little choice to do other than shootin random stuff on the horizon, Casuals got more options but sadly the PvP apes stand in their way as does a lot of the game mechanic (which apes already triumphed upon)

The game lacks content, its just that simple... encouraging people to stick together is cool and dandy and as someone else already pointed out, its the cornerstone of making this game succesful, but devs have proven time and time again, this is THEIR little parade, they will code and rotate and whatever as long as it pleases them, the direction it pleases them, with feedback being barely looked upon (YES IT IS FUCKING TRUE, remember ther sneak burster incident everyone complained and just how LONG it lasted?) So dont hope to achieve ANYTHING taking jabs at jovanka, although I do admit it has been really fun, fun enough to make me post!

Edit: I got no real hard feelings on the devs, nor I want to encourage any ill will towards them. They have done an outstanding job on a non profit proyect. As flawed as the game is, I really had a lot of fun with it.

[Brujah]

From a "playing to win" perspective, people doing those "casual" activities are at the bottom of the food chain. So yeah, there's no reason to get angry because what T-888 is saying is right - people doing the quests and other similar stuff have absolutely no way of influencing the gameworld when compared to PvP players. Hell, it's so bad most PvP players aren't even aware of their existence.

Keep in mind I'm not trying to insult anyone, it's just a simple fact that the game is extremely unbalanced and PvP players have more influence than a person doing any other activity can ever hope to achieve. If you want to be a peaceful trader, well too bad - you're going to earn more doing TC, you lose the competition. If you want to run a protection/mercenary business - nope, out of luck, any bored group of PvP'ers is going to do that better than you. If you want to be the industrialist - nah bro, not going to happen, the PvP gangs have the logistics to raid the facilities with more efficiency. Even if you want to farm stuff and do PvE, you can rest assured that the despised PvP apes are doing it more efficiently.

Basically, setting up the logistics for serious, TC-tier PvP is like "godmode 1" if you were to enter any kind of competition with people doing basically anything else, so why should T-888 appreciate your "proper activities" if they offer shitty returns in terms of caps/items/power projection when compared to what he does? Why should any ambitious, intelligent player focus on anything else or care about anything else? Yes, you can enjoy other aspects of the game, but making them your primary point of focus is going to end with you trying to navigate around the PvP players, not the other way around. Basically, if you think you're going to achieve any degree of success (wealth, influence, freedom to do what you want) in this game by doing something other than PvP, you're a scrub. PvP players don't care about people doing "other activities," because for them, any encounter with a scrub means -40 rounds of 5mm ammo and +1 frag, while the scrubs have to waste massive amounts of time to navigate around the dreaded PvP apes to do whatever's on their mind. So maybe it's not the PvP players who have a problem with "foolish one-track" thinking, maybe it's the game that is simply too foolish and too one-tracked?

All in all, the devs really should consider buffing other activities, outside the TC sphere. Buff farming, buff trading, buff production - allow people who put some time and effort into those aspects of the game to become more effective than TC gangs in their field of choice. Right now, people who win at TC win at everything else. Introduce some other ways of winning, but don't do that by nerfing TC - do that by expanding the gameplay mechanics and adding some alternatives. The current "you're good at fighting, you're good at everything else" model sucks and makes people who could become influential traders or industrialists hunt radscorpions and hide in their caves doing meaningless quests.

Also, some mandatory reading to understand the PvP player mentality and why we're right and you're wrong:
http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html

I'll just ignore most of the shit and comment on this post that caught my attention.


Indeed, any sort of activity that doesn't include PVP will never be as good as PVP itself, but that's not the whole story.


Also made me remember when we hunted together using PVP apes instead of doing it the regular way with PVE alts solo:

Or even quests that anyone can solo with enough strategy:

It's not about how overpowered apes are compared to casual players, it's about how hard it is for casual players to become apes, these activities can be completely doable by these loners hidden in ranger safehouses we will never meet, but it takes a long time and massive effort so most don't even bother.

[avv]

It's not about how overpowered apes are compared to casual players, it's about how hard it is for casual players to become apes, these activities can be completely doable by these loners hidden in ranger safehouses we will never meet, but it takes a long time and massive effort so most don't even bother.

It's also because to be an ape you have to renounce everything you used to be about. If you had ideals, roleplay or anything that would restrict you, all of that needs to go and your goals will center around defeating the enemy and helping your team to accomplish this task.

[The Good Doctor]

mah sides

[manero]

well when i see that server is full of people, like 128 now, i imagine that at least some of them are looking for fight. So were do they fight? as at least in good old times non tc main pvp ground was reno, now i am idling in reno commercial entrance like in ncr, and no one comes, so i started thinking maybe people fight elswhere these days? where is the magical place?

It's called TLA mk2.

[Stration]

99% of players and 100% of developers here are suffering from an acute case of tunnel vision, and that's why the game is doomed.

R.I.P.

[PLAYB0Y]

PvP is dead. Make it up with.  I did. 

[Glumer]

PvP is dead. Make it up with.  I did. 

pvp is on another server

[LittleBoy]

pvp is on another server

True, true.

[dskpnk]

Action ? look TLA 

[Cyber Jesus]

Unless you like fighting bluesuits, you can consider pvp officially dead.