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[Swinglinered]

GP > realism

HH/Kamikaze/jinxed is fun.

[Fat Man]

GP > realism

HH/Kamikaze/jinxed is fun.

I think its too much, AC = no damage or only 10-20 damage when moving, and with jinixed causes weapons drops, weapons to blow up, and -ap from critical misses. In your face = cannot be one hexed it seems to miss every shot not just 1/2 the time as stated. And then there is a knock down every punch. The only way to kill is if they are standing completely still, and by the time they are standing completely still they are going to knock down your big gunner over and over until you are dead. This is 1v1 that is, if you are playing in group then of course the heavy hander is going to get killed.

I mean really if you think about if you do a 10vs10 fight, 10 fully geared average PvP characters, without 300% skill which is 99% of pvp builds, 10 blue suits with no gear can kill 10 fully geared characters and not get killed. I know the game isn't played this way most of the PvP community prefers to fight with fully geared characters vs other full geared characters but still. The least they can do is make it where you risk something such as a power fist.

I think that is fair, it requires an extra step like farming around san francisco or crafting like its suppose to be because all the full geared characters have to spend way more time to get their top noche stuff than some guy who punched molerats for 20 hours and then runs around and annoys people.

How is it fair that some guy who spent weeks if not months to find the blue prints, spent hours farming to be defeated by some guy who is next to damn near impossible to kill that goes in with no gear, no super stimpacks, no guns armors just nothing? Hell at least back in good old days the blue suits would at least use crappy small guns, and it actually took skill to kill somebody with unarmed/melee.

Roacher I was really mad and fought the same way when they nerfed stealing, they are just going to say tubad deal with it and the rest are just going to troll your angry post and complaints until all your teeth are grinded down to your gums. Then it boils down to, should I quit this game or continue playing and adjust to the changes?

[racoon]

dont you see he's trolling?

[Ox-Skull]

Roachor, if you poo on your mega powerfist, you'll be able to inflict diseases too.


Sorry couldnt resist.

[Mayck]

HH, AC+jinxed will be nerfed (hopefully even sneak will require gear) and threads like this with "pseudo-realism" arguments are not gonna change that.

I was wearing blue pyjamas for 30% of my entire life and I can say from my own experience that their camo is over-rated.

[Enumi]

You better prepare for the era when your former AC immortals will suffer, Roachor. And in case Heavy handed will be nerfed or better, removed, i wish you to stop your play :>

[Roachor]

You better prepare for the era when your former AC immortals will suffer, Roachor. And in case Heavy handed will be nerfed or better, removed, i wish you to stop your play :>

hahaha these builds weren't viable before and once they get nerfed it will just narrow your options, idgaf I'll just use whatever build is most effective. Your whining will eventually nerf everything out of existence until the game is "balanced" where apes are untouchables murdering bluesuits on sight like every other season. AC to be honest is crap already, its barely useful at 220. HH is only good 1v1 or against npcs, its more for farming than anything else. If you guys had your way rock would always win in rock paper scissor too, you think that by having gear you should be able to buy victory.

[Fat Man]

hahaha these builds weren't viable before and once they get nerfed it will just narrow your options, idgaf I'll just use whatever build is most effective. Your whining will eventually nerf everything out of existence until the game is "balanced" where apes are untouchables murdering bluesuits on sight like every other season.

Wasteland is harsh, blue suits are supposed to be murdered or die quick because they are gearless and not suppose to have better defense than a guy wearing combat armor.

AC to be honest is crap already, its barely useful at 220. HH is only good 1v1 or against npcs, its more for farming than anything else. If you guys had your way rock would always win in rock paper scissor too, you think that by having gear you should be able to buy victory.

RPGs have always been about having the best gear to be the most effective. You don't go fight the dragon with level 1 noob gear it is contrary to all RPG logic.

[Jotisz]

RPGs have always been about having the best gear to be the most effective. You don't go fight the dragon with level 1 noob gear it is contrary to all RPG logic.

Not really true Role playing was about immersion and choices... Btw in many role playing games it was possible to stick to lower level gears till the end and still defeat stronger enemies. Well anyway it doesn't really matters as dev said Heavy Handed and AC will change so no need to fuss about it anymore in my opinion from either side.
Also even without heavy handed unarmed is a good skill it won't be less viable. (Almost won around the beginning against a big gunner using a shovel only died only cause he reloged to another char)

[Fat Man]

Not really true Role playing was about immersion and choices... Btw in many role playing games it was possible to stick to lower level gears till the end and still defeat stronger enemies. Well anyway it doesn't really matters as dev said Heavy Handed and AC will change so no need to fuss about it anymore in my opinion from either side.
Also even without heavy handed unarmed is a good skill it won't be less viable. (Almost won around the beginning against a big gunner using a shovel only died only cause he reloged to another char)

Maybe in newer games it is that way majority of RPG's I played over my life time shitty gear = makes the game more difficult. But this isn't a game with level 1 rags and level 9999999999999999999999 orge plate mail made out of the bones of elven virgins. Its the point where no gear what so ever can defeat somebody with gear. From my experience playing MMOs RPGS MMORPG RPGMMOFPSWTFBBQSUV games that gear is very important. I mean sure there are games that had unarmed classes, and RPGs where certian classes would get bonuses from not wearing armor. Each game is differnt, but you are right there isn't any point in argueing about it since they announce they would nerf it next update soon.

And yes roleplaying games are about choices and making a character to suite your playstyle or what you want to roleplay as, but this isn't really a roleplaying issue it is more a PvP issue. The reason why people are complaing is because they go in with best gear and then lose it to some guy that has an empty inventory.

[Roachor]

Fat Man needs to buy his victories because he lacks skill

[AdolphbinStalin]

This is a PvE issue just as much as a PvP one. As it is, it's still very hard to farm high value encounters e.g. press gang and unity/bos patrols. With a 24level HtH using power fists I still get killed 1/4 times (albeit  I am not the best player as I only play this casually- but still its not easy). We are also not talking about level 1 chars; we are talking about fully leveled HTH chars. The build is barely viable for solo PvE right now (and team PvE is non-existent in this mod so there is little choice but to go solo). Devs should focus on fixing game breaking problems i.e. multi logging/proxy using- also not fun risking ones gear against a player that is going to log in 15 chars against your one char.

[Y0ssarian]

GP > realism

[Brujah]

Are you saying jungle tactics work just as well in a desolate, post apocalyptic desert?

Just dress yourself with desert spider pajamas and no one will notice you.

[codave]

Roachor, if you poo on your mega powerfist, you'll be able to inflict diseases too.


Sorry couldnt resist.

Pungi Knuckles?

Ahh... yeah, and the US had about 60k KIA, and about 300k WIA... while the VC/NVA was around, oh a million KIA.

Their AC trolls got nerfed too, man.