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[FrankenStone]

but please remove the consumable thing from stealthboys then it should work like the motion sensonr with MFC or SEC

[Lidae]

but please remove the consumable thing from stealthboys then it should work like the motion sensonr with MFC or SEC

I agree. At the risk of being repetitive, my variation of the OP's suggestion is this:

Make stealthboys rechargable with mfc/sec.
Make motion sensor increase sneak above 300.
Make it easier to detect sneaks in general, roughly like this:

300 sneak + stealthboy -> same detection range as now
300 sneak + no stealthboy -> +10 detection range.

This way if you use the stealthboy, there is no difference from before. You can still go without stealthboy, and you will still be relatively effective (about the same as last season, in fact), but still at a significant disadvantage compared to before.

[Cyber Jesus]

What really needs nerfing is the ability to re-sneak when you tag someone, I used it 100 times and still agree that it shouldn't be like that because its OP.

[T-888]

lol it adds 20% to your chance to hit not your weapon skill. Its a shit trait to have for ew too because lr > lp is a huge way. sg pistols are garbage for killing rats, .223 pistol is crap compared to lp.

Roacher, learn to play.

For a sneaker that uses only pistols it's a good trait, your just too noob to realize that.

Guy plays this game for years, still thinks like a boot.

[Roachor]

Roacher, learn to play.

For a sneaker that uses only pistols it's a good trait, your just too noob to realize that.

  Obviously if you are going for a pistol build its good, im saying pistol sneak builds are shit. throwing knives are better than .223, lr is better than lp.

[T-888]

Lazer rifle better for a sneaker than laser pistol?

Hmm, geee, let's see twice the requirements, decreases sneak by -36, can't really make a good critical lazer rifle sneaker, it's going to be some 1 plasma grenade food otherwise.

Don't think like a boot, 223. is fine and throwing knifes is not the ultimate and one option due to 14mm pistol, but then again it's just better to make a EW sneak to use plasma pistol if you are comfortable using 14mm with the low range, witch by the way melts faces just fine.

[Roachor]

My laser sneaker uses lr no problem with 1 str, when i use lp/pp he does shit dmg even with sd+better crits. Throwing knife never needs reloading, has similar dmg to mag lp, everyone uses metal, 10 less range but with 290 sneak it doesn't really matter.

[T-888]

How it uses lazer rifle? Huh? If your shooting eyes, it has shit range, if your not a critical build it's self explanatory that it's a crap build only for killing some bluesuits. 1 Str + weapon handling + lazer rifle is -60% to EW skill, lol, what are your running 10-15 hexes close to hit someone?

I have a sneaker with 1 str + weapon handling and using lazer rifle on aimed shots is totally crap, pistol surpasses in range due to lower requirements + one hander when it comes to shooting arms/eyes, aimed shots.

Gatling is different story it uses normal shots and has long range witch is a major boost for accuracy for uncalled shots, but it's -72 for sneak, good for killing some static scouts during town control, i know how avv "uses it and says it's doable", even better if you minimax your sneaker with 270 sneak and ghost and gatling, it's going to be 198% sneak on open field and other sneakers will basically smell you from 30 hexes.

[DeputyDope]

if you're going for a laser rifle sneaker , you will have 85HP. not to mention you can only shoot once, most the times not even being able to crit. i made such build, so i know. shooting eyes is highly complicated. if you don't crit, you're toast, and most likely enemies will be charging for you. if there's a sniper among those enemies, high chance that you'll die.

[Roachor]

http://www.nitue.net/#fcp/direct!id=6601

[T-888]

That is what i had in mind, one plasma grenade food, most pistol builds will kill you with one shot and even if don't will have enough health to survive an average critical hit from you or to finish off you with the second double shoot, those with 137 HP, not to mention ... the plasma grenade food for plasma sneakers and the sneak disadvantage. Skilled? 10% Chance to critically hit, like purely 10 luck? Pistol build doesn't have to use skilled, +3 perks. Oh kurwa.

I have though about this all, might be fun, but not practical.

[Roachor]

this is why you use sneak to determine things like range and the element of suprise. btw that build had 20% luck. Skilled is the only way to have enough sp, it's an extreme build good for hit and runs but not direct combat. LP just doesn't do enough dmg.

[T-888]

Magneto lazer pistol does quite a bit damage and plasma pistol SD groin shots, man you don't what you talking about.