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[Pucha]

did You saw even one commercial on this forum or in-game?
(probably) nobody wants to see shithouse commercials at forum .. or worse
this conversation is over i don't have time to argue whith You,
have a nice day

[vinio]

for the ones thats says "hey server is free dont say that and bla bla bla...".in order to get some cash to keep the server running u have to motivate the players.so far no good motivation for me personally.so no a single euro from me either.

[Horatio]

Someone must be really retarded here...

The only costs that arise here, is the costs for the server. Devs pay for the server usually themselves, but you're welcome to DONATE.
DONATING is VOLUNTARY.
So the server runs on DONATIONS so it can be PUBLIC.
FREE, because there's no way to finance it through ANY OTHER MEANS, like ADVERTISEMENTS.
NO ADVERTISEMENTS.
NO CUSTOM SKINS FOR MONEY.
NO ANYTHING FOR MONEY.
ELSE BETHHOUNDS.
BETHHOUNDS BAD.
BETHHOUNDS KILLED V13
BETHHOUNDS WILL COME FOR 2238.
That means, if the DONATIONS aren't there, the server CEASE to be PUBLIC and become CLOSED.
That means, YOU can't PLAY 2238 THEN.

[Pucha]

@Horatio
 Yep, but some wild-users don't get  o.O

[Tomowolf]

Someone must be really retarded here...

The only costs that arise here, is the costs for the server. Devs pay for the server usually themselves, but you're welcome to DONATE.
DONATING is VOLUNTARY.
So the server runs on DONATIONS so it can be PUBLIC.
FREE, because there's no way to finance it through ANY OTHER MEANS, like ADVERTISEMENTS.
NO ADVERTISEMENTS.
NO CUSTOM SKINS FOR MONEY.
NO ANYTHING FOR MONEY.
ELSE BETHHOUNDS.
BETHHOUNDS BAD.
BETHHOUNDS KILLED V13
BETHHOUNDS WILL COME FOR 2238.
That means, if the DONATIONS aren't there, the server CEASE to be PUBLIC and become CLOSED.
That means, YOU can't PLAY 2238 THEN.

[2238whinermodeon] Lol you're so stupid let the server rot, we're paying devs for work, and why there is no update?!! lame [2238whinermodeoff]

Yes,you right, but some players don't get it it is a BETA, and its FREE TO LEAVE, I won't write more in this posts, because I'll just copy you.
To all posting in this thread:
This is not some korean free mmorpg, where you can moan about something if devs got payd or not, its just a hobby, just imagine when someone is fishing and you tell him he is doing bad, and should quit, whenever it's his fishing rod or not, and accuse him of being noob.
Really.

[T-888]

To those walls of texts above and 2 pages ago.

Said it before, game is free and it's OK, nobody is working as hired and it's OK, but that doesn't mean the work done must pretty much suck, like now. I better see less features that have been carefully selected without a rush and some consulting with the community to make better choices, not some crazy, shady ideas behind the curtains and wannabe developer ambitions to implement features that as a developer who works on that doesn't experience his own work, but expect someone to like it and get positive feedback?

Bottom line, it's fine that hard work is done and much effort is put in this game, thank you a lot, but when that effort and hard work is on the cost of my game play experience witch is ruined by just doing stuff out of blue, i don't know what to say .... except for, thanks for nothing, again.

Developers, don't have fun on the cost of mine and the rest of the community, it's not much to ask to just not screw up the game we like.

[Balthasar]

I don't get the problem anyway. Donation has nothing to do with the actual development of the game itself. It's just to pay the server rent to keep it running. Criticism (in a constructive way ofc) and suggestions from the playerbase is a natural part of a project like this and more then that its welcome. (How and when devs deal with such is another topic but also something, which is up to them. This can be frustrating for both the players and the devs sometimes.) But this isn't the right place to talk about ongoing changes/fixes etc. , in my opinion. Simply donate or not but don't mix things together, which aren't connected to each other.

(Inb4 "Yeah but they ARE connected! I don't like that this and that isn't fixed yet so i won't help to keep the server running anymore!")

[Pucha]

i think this conversation is pointless.
Please close this thread,
 Scypior was asking only for help/donate  for server month fee.. as always..

DONATE for server month fee is not equal to PAYING for in-game profits etc.
 Is it so hard to uderstand???

[Nice_Boat]

just imagine when someone is fishing and you tell him he is doing bad, and should quit, whenever it's his fishing rod or not, and accuse him of being noob.
Really.

Not really, because with the fishing dude it's more like he's minding his own business in his own personal space. With 2238 it's more like a horribad rock band staging a free concert in a pub and going ballistic when people tell them they suck and start leaving after 10 minutes of listening to their crap. Oh, and they were playing your favourite Iron Maiden songs, terribly. I mean yeah, they were doing it for free and all, but hey, they said it was gonna be good and made the call to perform in front of an audience, how is it the audience's fault they don't like it and dare to say it out loud? And to make it even worse, our rock band here is telling everyone that there won't be another concert if we don't pay for new strings for Bubba's guitar cause the ones he bought with his own money snapped when he slipped while performing The Trooper.

Besides if you guys are feeling so much empathy for 2238 devs who at worst wasted some free time you must be going insane about all the professional game developers who failed. I mean they didn't do it for free, they lost a lot of money... and they just wanted to entertain you! Think of all the ruined careers, wives who couldn't handle their husbands staying late at work for weeks and filing for divorce and so on and so forth. Their situation is about a million times shittier than the 2238 crew's is, but somehow that doesn't prevent you from looking at their creations with contempt and saying that bad games are bad.

Also, guess what? Counter-strike was free. Advanced Combat Environment is free. Project Reality is free. Mount and Blade was free. DayZ is free. So many good games and mods are free and were made by hobbyists in their free time and yet the "2238 is free" catchphrase keeps being used to silence criticism as if it could make the game any better. It is what it is, people are leaving and if nothing changes will keep leaving until it dies - deal with it.

The punchline is simple - you want a friendly crowd, give a better performance.

[Wichura]

no free is when you dont have to spend your money on someone project.

But you don't have to spend your money, so what's the problem? I don't get it, really.

[Lidae]

Not really, because with the fishing dude it's more like he's minding his own business in his own personal space. With 2238 it's more like a horribad rock band staging a free concert in a pub and going ballistic when people tell them they suck and start leaving after 10 minutes of listening to their crap. Oh, and they were playing your favourite Iron Maiden songs, terribly. I mean yeah, they were doing it for free and all, but hey, they said it was gonna be good and made the call to perform in front of an audience, how is it the audience's fault they don't like it and dare to say it out loud? And to make it even worse, our rock band here is telling everyone that there won't be another concert if we don't pay for new strings for Bubba's guitar cause the ones he bought with his own money snapped when he slipped while performing The Trooper.

/../

The punchline is simple - you want a friendly crowd, give a better performance.

A better analogy would be to say that your favourite band gives a free concert in an abandoned warehouse. You and other fans show up, but for whatever reason the material stinks - the instruments are out of tune, the singer has a sore throat and they are unable to keep the beat. You start to wonder why you even like this band at all. Now if you want to see the band perform again they will need some donations because otherwise they can't afford to buy new strings and there will be no new performance.

Of course the band will get less donations than if they had given a stellar performance. Of course some people will stop listening to the band completely. It would be naive to not expect some amount of rage and hatred. But if you want to go to the next concert, even knowing that it might be like the one you just saw, then you should donate. If you hope that in the future they might be able to tune their instruments and maybe the sore throat will heal itself if you just give it some time, then you should also donate. This is not paying for the band to get their act together, it's not paying for the throat to get better, it's paying to see the band again in the future, performance notwithstanding.

I think the fans are in their right to complain, and it's only natural to think that the band should listen to feedback and do what they can to become better. But this thread is not about the band's ability to listen to feedback and communicate with the fans. Please don't treat it as such. But most of all, just because you never want to hear the band again, don't hate those of us who still do. Take your rage and leave already.

[Nice_Boat]

(...)But most of all, just because you never want to hear the band again, don't hate those of us who still do. Take your rage and leave already.

There's no rage dude and yeah, your analogy works too depending on the point of view and disappointment levels. The problem is things are going wrong and unfortunately it is closely linked with the donations issue - it's enough to check where this thread went to see why. My goal isn't to insult anyone because there's no point in kicking a dude who's down in the face again, I just wish people like Lexx and Jov snapped out of their delusional state and got their act together instead of bullshitting what little community they have left. If that counts as rage in your book you must be a pretty sensitive fellow.

[Shangalar]

That's a good comparison imho. Except about one detail : it's not about donating for a second or let's say, third concert, for which we wouldn't act like that. It's like donating for a 11th or whatever one, without seeing any promising change. Being angry is more normal at that point. We have been through lots of attempts and hopes already. Now we're thinking "Fuck, some guys still donate. Some know about the situation and still choose to donate, but others might not. Maybe we should warn them about what they gonna pay for."

[Lidae]

There's no rage dude and yeah, your analogy works too depending on the point of view and disappointment levels. The problem is things are going wrong and unfortunately it is closely linked with the donations issue - it's enough to check where this thread went to see why. My goal isn't to insult anyone because there's no point in kicking a dude who's down in the face again, I just wish people like Lexx and Jov snapped out of their delusional state and got their act together instead of bullshitting what little community they have left. If that counts as rage in your book you must be a pretty sensitive fellow.

My comment about rage and hatred wasn't directed towards you Nice Boat, but rather to the general atmosphere of this thread. It seems to me like this rage is so pronounced now that if you don't also hate the devs you're at risk of being hated by certain people who posted in this thread.

@Shangalar, I think it was made pretty clear in the OP that what you're paying for is exactly what you already have, nothing more, nothing less.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I totally understand the anger and I admit I am perplexed by some (but not all) of the actions (or lack thereof) from the devs. But putting all that anger into this thread is hardly constructive either.

[Enzotainment]

What a long thread about donating. Might as well add my 2 cents (figuratively):
For me, this game doesn't compete with any other game (as I read somewhere posted in this thread).
I've seen changes in the seasons I've participated in. Some good, some bad. I don't care, it's still Fallout and it's still the most fun game I've played.

So thanks developers, rat-god or whoever is responsible.