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Gruik

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Re: What is 2238 right now ?
« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2012, 01:40:21 pm »

Here to support my old folks ;)

Despite I didn't played a looong time ago (juste some hours spoiled in "trying to have fun by solo-playing" periodically...), I continue to follow game changes in a general way, and try "features" when I can. And this is pointless to talk about all the mechanics which don't work today, this thread is so larger than these details...

The fact is the game used to be fun, used to attract a lot of players, used to be interesting, and now it doesn't at all. So what happened between these days ? We community did just became too demanding, are we all now trolls who can't do anything but complain ? I don't think so...

The more devs try to evolve game, the less it's cool, that is the point. I know 50% of the fault is on some people always whining as soon as they can't powerdestroy all the wasteland in 5 minutes, but still, why listening to the elite ? I played since the very opening of OBT3, hour one, and even if from this moment to my first very stop I only played in a big team (on TLA or on 2238) and always had fun, I know it will be boring as hell today. Even solo playing was fun back in the days, because you could interact with people, first because server was populated, and second because there wasn't this freakin' paranoïa that pushes people to kill every bluesuit that came by sayin' "Hello!".

The only thing I feel now, is the huge amount of time I spoiled investing myself by playing and by reporting problems, by participating on our french wiki, or whatever...

It's not my opinion, it's an observation from the inside and the outside.
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Re: What is 2238 right now ?
« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2012, 07:11:54 pm »

The fact is the game used to be fun, used to attract a lot of players, used to be interesting, and now it doesn't at all. So what happened between these days ? We community did just became too demanding, are we all now trolls who can't do anything but complain ? I don't think so...

What happened was that players learned to play. They understood to stay out of unsafe places without a good reason and thus those places became empty. One reason is also highly competitive pvp where mercy isn't given an inch. A beginner team is put against the best teams right away and they can expect to be crushed many many times.

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The more devs try to evolve game, the less it's cool, that is the point. I know 50% of the fault is on some people always whining as soon as they can't powerdestroy all the wasteland in 5 minutes, but still, why listening to the elite ?

Who are these elite anyway?
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LeMark

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Re: What is 2238 right now ?
« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2012, 07:20:35 pm »

Here to support my old folks ;)

Despite I didn't played a looong time ago (juste some hours spoiled in "trying to have fun by solo-playing" periodically...), I continue to follow game changes in a general way, and try "features" when I can. And this is pointless to talk about all the mechanics which don't work today, this thread is so larger than these details...

The fact is the game used to be fun, used to attract a lot of players, used to be interesting, and now it doesn't at all. So what happened between these days ? We community did just became too demanding, are we all now trolls who can't do anything but complain ? I don't think so...

The more devs try to evolve game, the less it's cool, that is the point. I know 50% of the fault is on some people always whining as soon as they can't powerdestroy all the wasteland in 5 minutes, but still, why listening to the elite ? I played since the very opening of OBT3, hour one, and even if from this moment to my first very stop I only played in a big team (on TLA or on 2238) and always had fun, I know it will be boring as hell today. Even solo playing was fun back in the days, because you could interact with people, first because server was populated, and second because there wasn't this freakin' paranoïa that pushes people to kill every bluesuit that came by sayin' "Hello!".

The only thing I feel now, is the huge amount of time I spoiled investing myself by playing and by reporting problems, by participating on our french wiki, or whatever...

It's not my opinion, it's an observation from the inside and the outside.

No offense but if you took a different decision 2 years ago and join our TTTLA adventure instead of staying with the “Cajuns” you would probably still play today.

Btw you are on the short list who still can take the good decision and join us like Shangalar did and you will see the game from another point of view, trust me.

Your friend,
LeMark
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Re: What is 2238 right now ?
« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2012, 09:58:27 pm »

What happened was that players learned to play. They understood to stay out of unsafe places without a good reason and thus those places became empty. One reason is also highly competitive pvp where mercy isn't given an inch. A beginner team is put against the best teams right away and they can expect to be crushed many many times.

Who are these elite anyway?

I F5'ed the page while answering -_-" Try to sum up :

I understand your point but don't agree 100% to it, because it's exactly the problem of the emptiness on the server today and the lack of fun. It's not balanced at all regarding way of playing this game ; there's no good or bad way of playing, and people shouldn't HAVE TO be in a big team to enjoy the game, and shouldn't HAVE TO make perfect builds and alts. There's no middle, either you're getting destroyed at every step outside your tent because you are alone / in a small team, and are bored by just stacking stuff from craft, either you are in a dominant team and do nothing but wait 'till another big team shows up, and this brings boringness too. Majority of players should be in a category between those.

Well, this is the reasonable way to look at what the game should be, but we all know, me the first, that it's absolutely not its reality. Can't be without a really deep thinking about the whole mechanics, because all I see when we are told "hey look we add cool stuffs and features on the game and fix problems !", is that the game become less attractive. Some monthes back we reached a cool period, but now it's over (again...).

And you got me on the points of elites, I shouldn't have say that ^^" Because it's precisly because of (thanks to!) them, big teams, old players, who see the changes and can report everything really quickly because they have the means (number is clearly the first reason). So forget about that point :p

No offense but if you took a different decision 2 years ago and join our TTTLA adventure instead of staying with the “Cajuns” you would probably still play today.

Btw you are on the short list who still can take the good decision and join us like Shangalar did and you will see the game from another point of view, trust me.

Your friend,
LeMark

Haha no offense taken :D The fact is I really didn't wanted to be part of all the problems I saw in this time, and by experience I know the more we are the more problems come... I didn't think further, even if I noticed perfectly all the efforts you and the other TTT were making to build something once and for all. And still, I didn't played a lot after the big split, first having to choose a "side" was really pissing, and I missed power and domination a lot ;D

Well, I didn't totally quit on the idea of really playing again, see my old teammates... I'm sure I can enjoy the game again, the problem, which I talked about upper, is that playing with you guys is the only way for it. Well it's not a problem to play with you, no no no, it's a problem that everybody should have this situation to fully enjoy the game (and here I join Kinkin on first post, and continue responding to avv).

And LeMark, do you really think I could ever forget about Caribous ? Hahahaha xD
So, I'll see in a few how much I want to play again, put myself on update about important game mechanics I could not notice, and I will respond to your invitation (is that one ^^ ?) as soon as I'm decided ;)
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Re: What is 2238 right now ?
« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2012, 11:30:27 pm »

This server is extremly unfriendly to beginners. There are also various ridiculous game mechanic changes. Too bad, I thought it would be amazing. Turns out it's just a bunch of guys running around with Big Guns killing everyone and everything.
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Gruik

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Re: What is 2238 right now ?
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2012, 12:07:52 am »

To all :

This server is extremly unfriendly to beginners. There are also various ridiculous game mechanic changes. Too bad, I thought it would be amazing. Turns out it's just a bunch of guys running around with Big Guns killing everyone and everything.

Can't be more specific. And it's faaaaar from the first player who say that. See what was my point avv ? No middle, just in one side beginners who can't play because they don't have time/will to waste in the game for nothing and who are told by others "learn to play wasteland is harsh", and on the other side those "others" who have all the stuff/money/number of players and who are complaining about beginners' complains.

Why devs haven't think on that since ever ? It's not about making everybody happy at all, just because this "everybody" is the population of the game who is supposed to be a minority in a normal game ! And the fact is, there is no players today who aren't in these two "supposed to be minorities".
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Re: What is 2238 right now ?
« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2012, 12:28:45 am »

It wouldn't be so bad if 1 out of the 30 players I've encountered actually spoke to me or was friendly. Now I just have to run every time I see someone. That's just stupid. It's full of hardcore veteran groups or clicks who don't give a shit about anyone else; You're just a noob to them.
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Re: What is 2238 right now ?
« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2012, 12:50:47 am »

It wouldn't be so bad if 1 out of the 30 players I've encountered actually spoke to me or was friendly. Now I just have to run every time I see someone. That's just stupid. It's full of hardcore veteran groups or clicks who don't give a shit about anyone else; You're just a noob to them.

I treat bluesuits as people and I've seen you today in modoc.


You can't enter an unguarded town and expect a nice welcome, especially in the middle of town control wich is a war zone.
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LeMark

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Re: What is 2238 right now ?
« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2012, 12:52:21 am »

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In a post apocalypse world don't you thing people who are alone will not be in danger vs people who are in gang? And this server is supposed to be something like FOnline Gang war or something so it is what it is. Kinkin bring some real gameplay problem, you just not see the game how is supposed to be see. You enjoy the game when you was in a real faction, you decide to go with some not organise kid (sorry Izual) and from there as I know you never really play again. But you still come to see what happens on forum time to time, for me your problem with this game is not the game, but what you did with it.
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Pacifism

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Re: What is 2238 right now ?
« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2012, 02:38:27 am »

Remind's me of Dead Frontier's blog post. Where the only darn Developer rarely updates anything and when it is he is usually just releasing some crappy premium-only weapon that is "ON SALE FOR A LIMITED TIME" and sometimes says "HAPPY HALLOWEEN" and it got soooooo bad he actually just fucking closed the comment section of his blog. Only difference is atleast you peoples are not screaming "GAY" and "FAGGOT NOOB" at the dev's... yet! I personally like this game, and the AC cap has been re-instated so thats 1 thing right?
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Re: What is 2238 right now ?
« Reply #55 on: October 23, 2012, 04:21:21 am »

Remind's me of Dead Frontier's blog post. Where the only darn Developer rarely updates anything and when it is he is usually just releasing some crappy premium-only weapon that is "ON SALE FOR A LIMITED TIME" and sometimes says "HAPPY HALLOWEEN" and it got soooooo bad he actually just fucking closed the comment section of his blog. Only difference is atleast you peoples are not screaming "GAY" and "FAGGOT NOOB" at the dev's... yet! I personally like this game, and the AC cap has been re-instated so thats 1 thing right?

I played that game since the beginning.


AdminPwn was a cool guy before the massive wave of standard retards came. /off
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Re: What is 2238 right now ?
« Reply #56 on: October 23, 2012, 05:33:46 am »

I played that game since the beginning.


AdminPwn was a cool guy before the massive wave of standard retards came. /off
Ya he used to update regulary, then weekly, monthly and so on... alot of it is due to the endless demands and hate from the community sadly... game had alot of potential...
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Gruik

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Re: What is 2238 right now ?
« Reply #57 on: October 23, 2012, 11:23:27 am »

In a post apocalypse world don't you thing people who are alone will not be in danger vs people who are in gang? And this server is supposed to be something like FOnline Gang war or something so it is what it is. Kinkin bring some real gameplay problem, you just not see the game how is supposed to be see. You enjoy the game when you was in a real faction, you decide to go with some not organise kid (sorry Izual) and from there as I know you never really play again. But you still come to see what happens on forum time to time, for me your problem with this game is not the game, but what you did with it.

Hmm I see the game as it's supposed to be : a game. This is reality that the game has no interest if you're not part of the biggest teams. I don't personnally care, because in FOnline I enjoyed only playing with you all and never had fun by playing by myself, but I speak for the kind of players I just quoted few messages up. Today the server don't have enough players to make something good, devs should have be more attentive when it was the time. I think now it's too late, but we'll see.

Haha I can't really point out "real gameplay problems", as I don't play anymore, I juste observe from outside and see well what people are saying about it...

I said I do not choose to play with X or Y, I choose to take some distance because all our gaming experience was about problems inside our community, daily arguments, flame and trolling from everywhere, paranoïa, and this is not fun. This is ridiculous.

Playing with you again will be cool I know that for sure, but it won't help the game at all, I'll just contribute to everything I'm reporting here...

Again, you can't say that the game doesn't have problems, it's just not true ! What I do with it is a part of that, because people have to do what they can instead of what they want. I think, as avv, you are just too used to play the way you ever did.
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Re: What is 2238 right now ?
« Reply #58 on: October 23, 2012, 07:40:33 pm »

I understand your point but don't agree 100% to it, because it's exactly the problem of the emptiness on the server today and the lack of fun. It's not balanced at all regarding way of playing this game ; there's no good or bad way of playing, and people shouldn't HAVE TO be in a big team to enjoy the game, and shouldn't HAVE TO make perfect builds and alts. There's no middle, either you're getting destroyed at every step outside your tent because you are alone / in a small team, and are bored by just stacking stuff from craft, either you are in a dominant team and do nothing but wait 'till another big team shows up, and this brings boringness too. Majority of players should be in a category between those.

But I never said the game should be like it is. Personally I've always been against minmaxing and hours of grinding to be able to do something.

It wouldn't be so bad if 1 out of the 30 players I've encountered actually spoke to me or was friendly. Now I just have to run every time I see someone. That's just stupid. It's full of hardcore veteran groups or clicks who don't give a shit about anyone else; You're just a noob to them.

You can't expect something from others that has no profit in it. There's no encouragement to not to shoot random passers-by. It's easy to blame the players for making decisions that cause you harm, but if you play the game and learn it you end up understanding why the players do what they do and these reasons are tied to mechanics rather than the player's mindset.
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Re: What is 2238 right now ?
« Reply #59 on: October 23, 2012, 07:45:02 pm »

You can't expect something from others that has no profit in it. There's no encouragement to not to shoot random passers-by. It's easy to blame the players for making decisions that cause you harm, but if you play the game and learn it you end up understanding why the players do what they do and these reasons are tied to mechanics rather than the player's mindset.

Currently it's only about the players mindset.

Like what mechanics, those witch don't exist?
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