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Author Topic: Throw/Sneak built HELP!  (Read 8835 times)

Re: Throw/Sneak built HELP!
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2012, 01:42:39 am »

only that matters is that you can still sneak.
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Re: Throw/Sneak built HELP!
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2012, 05:40:13 am »

Just be honest and use a real PVP build.



AC heavy handed and sneaker trolls are the new cancer of PVP.
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Re: Throw/Sneak built HELP!
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2012, 06:09:08 am »

http://www.nitue.net/#fcp/direct!id=5762

now its a bg tank.

11 ap though with nuka and jet :(

No point in even wearing armor with that build if it's on Jet.  It already has 0 DR, so why wear armor when 15% of it's DR will be negated, and it induces a penalty to sneak?

And the PE is STILL too low.  With cigs, that's 41 hexes this "tank" can see... which is about the distance it would be visible at.

For a thrower, racoon's build is the best one in this thread.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2012, 06:16:04 am by codave »
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Re: Throw/Sneak built HELP!
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2012, 07:58:02 am »

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=ndl8wk&s=6           skilled and small frame
i used this build but now sd plasma nade is not work
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Re: Throw/Sneak built HELP!
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2012, 09:32:32 am »

wait there is a sneak pentalty if you hold a BG? i thought it's only for armor.
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Re: Throw/Sneak built HELP!
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2012, 11:56:54 am »

Ghost perk has no effect over 300 sneak.
Thats true.


I guess you could find it yourself, but there it is:

    Observer's maximum sight range is reduced, based on opponent's relative direction: 0%, 20%, 40% and 60% (for front, front-side, back-side and back respectively). For sneakers, the following algorithm decides the visibility:
    First, raw Sneak skill value of the opponent is taken. Then the following boni are applied:
        For being next to a wall (1 hex, or 5 with Ghost perk): +30.
        For being hidden behind an object (there is an unpassable scenery between the opponent and the target no more than 2 hexes from the opponent): +60.
        For using Stealth Boy: +60.
    At this point of calculations, Sneak is capped at 300. Then the following penalties are applied:
        For opponent's relative direction: -72, -36, -12, 0.
        For wielding weapons: -36 for two handed rifle in active slot, -72 for heavy weapons in active slot.
        For wearing armours: -36 for Combat Armor and variants, -72 for Metal Armor and variants.
        For running: -60, unless with Silent Running perk.
    The opponent is invisible whenever its distance from the observer increased by final Sneak/6 is larger than observer's FRONT sight range (regardless of the actual direction).
    Everything said when sneaked is downgraded to whisper.
    Active Motion Sensor reveals all critters in 15 hexes radius (whether behind a wall or not). It consumes Small Energy Cells and Micro Fusion Cells. Use Science on it to see remaining charges.
    Stealth Boy disappears on use and grants a 20 minutes long Sneak bonus. Consuming more resets the timer to 20 minutes.
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Re: Throw/Sneak built HELP!
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2012, 03:17:51 pm »

wait there is a sneak pentalty if you hold a BG? i thought it's only for armor.

That is btw one of the reasons why you don't meet any LSW sneakers or BG sneakers generally around this season.
Missing those funny times
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Re: Throw/Sneak built HELP!
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2012, 04:34:48 pm »

i personally would go with this

http://www.nitue.net/#fcp/direct!id=5759

eventually take nuka and jet

Can't open the build, it says incorrect password :o
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Re: Throw/Sneak built HELP!
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2012, 04:52:14 pm »

Also, it's really a pvp build I want, something that's good at soloing. :)
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Re: Throw/Sneak built HELP!
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2012, 09:08:10 pm »

Just be honest and use a real PVP build.



AC heavy handed and sneaker trolls are the new cancer of PVP.

10str, 10 agi, 10 int, this only leaves 6 for end. You don't have enough perk slots to get max ac, even with 180 that only leaves room for silent running and faster hth meaning you do shit dmg. Also hth build without FA is largely useless considering how much you have to dmg sponge. Maybe try doing a bit of research before you trash builds that aren't even feasible. BGers still one shot you the second you stop moving, so until they make it so you can punch while running maybe you should consider using tactics instead of complaining. AC builds require skill to use properly, "real pvp builds" require numbers and shooting first.
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Re: Throw/Sneak built HELP!
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2012, 09:40:35 pm »

AC builds require skill to use properly.

i call bullshit on this. NCR idling requires WAY more skill.
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Re: Throw/Sneak built HELP!
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2012, 09:56:47 pm »

i call bullshit on this. NCR idling requires WAY more skill.
lol i agree. what kind of skill is needed to make a ac troll and run around. non at all!
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Re: Throw/Sneak built HELP!
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2012, 11:34:37 pm »

lol i agree. what kind of skill is needed to make a ac troll and run around. non at all!

I kill people with my ac troll. You have to manage ap regen since you are always running. All it takes to counter high ac is wait until he stops and shoot. So I have to always be moving, lure people away from groups because i can only kill 1v1 and make sure i can get out of line of sight for 5 seconds between assaults. I killed 4 people in a row with leather jacket and spiked knuckles in bh yesterday, first time hth has ever been seriously viable for pvp.
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Re: Throw/Sneak built HELP!
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2012, 03:48:40 am »

I kill people with my ac troll. You have to manage ap regen since you are always running. All it takes to counter high ac is wait until he stops and shoot. So I have to always be moving, lure people away from groups because i can only kill 1v1 and make sure i can get out of line of sight for 5 seconds between assaults. I killed 4 people in a row with leather jacket and spiked knuckles in bh yesterday, first time hth has ever been seriously viable for pvp.
yes but thats not skill thats just basic troll stuff. its really not hard to manage ap,run and not stop and lure stupid people away. dont take offensively am just saying i personaly dont see trolling as a skill. everyone can troll and everyone can manage ap and run.
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Re: Throw/Sneak built HELP!
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2012, 03:53:47 am »

"real pvp builds" require numbers and shooting first.

I killed entire groups of players using a low-hp sniper buffed on cookies.


And I would do it all over again if I had more cookies.


Numbers only help but discipline and planning always beats numbers... Unless you're fighting against over 30 fast-log proxies.
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