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Author Topic: Market is going BOOM!  (Read 9611 times)

Re: Market is going BOOM!
« Reply #45 on: July 24, 2012, 04:26:50 pm »

I agree on everything but the PA suggestion and less loot thing. I remember those times meeting immortal PKs in APAs around hub. That was rather... a dull experience.
Well, for noob is immortal even a PK in CA but you are right, every limitation to PA which should make it rare will just end with players spending more hours of gathering to get their precious PA. So becouse alts everyone would have PA and its rarity would be gone. Only thing which make PA rare is their fixed amount in game.

A lot of NPCs that carry now hunting rifles, greasers and 10mm pistols were once holding AR's, 10mm smgs, 14mm pistols and needlers. Some of those weapons are practically non-existent now if it comes to usage.
I agree with that too, devs should return weapons variability in encounters

The only bad thing about advanced workbench is that practically every useful craftable shit needs one. If only top high-tier weapons/armors would be craftable at AWBs, just fine, but why isn't a simple WB enough for crafting let's say 14mm pistols, needlers, SPCs, mkII armors and dynamite
True, why didnt I think of that before  ::).
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Re: Market is going BOOM!
« Reply #46 on: July 24, 2012, 05:07:56 pm »

Maybe should the best base available - vault - have an advanced workbench, becouse half of items needs it and if their purpose is to draw people out to interact with each other, it fails in it anyway. But it don't look that players trade with each other much. Every one have enough weapons, armor and ammo, the only thing which no one has enough is caps (exept factions with some town under control maybe). So how about that npc traders would have more caps, but not much ammo, so players would sell spare weapons and armors to npcs, gets caps, and for caps would trade ammo with other players.
And some low tier smg with 9mm ammo would be nice :D.

No. People must die by PKers crafting their gear no hiding in a vault. People must go through the pain ass the steps to join gun runners. Advanced work benches in bases is just fucking stupid if I had to die by trolls to craft then everybody else should. This is stupid care bear shit let them whine and suffer crafting at unsafe advanced work benches.

There is no player interaction becuase people are quiting because of stupid shit care bear ideas like invicible blue suits with ac and unnecessary nerfs.
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Re: Market is going BOOM!
« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2012, 01:32:04 am »

No. People must die by PKers crafting their gear no hiding in a vault. People must go through the pain ass the steps to join gun runners. Advanced work benches in bases is just fucking stupid if I had to die by trolls to craft then everybody else should. This is stupid care bear shit let them whine and suffer crafting at unsafe advanced work benches.

There is no player interaction becuase people are quiting because of stupid shit care bear ideas like invicible blue suits with ac and unnecessary nerfs.

Being able to buy an advanced workbench isn't a bad idea; everybody suffers for crafting when starting out--but why not give players something else to work towards?

I think if anything a good reason why someone might leave is that FOnline rides their ass too hard on "resupply-issues", so that there's less time for PvP or quest content (even if it existed). You can look at any other RPG in existence just about--and this is shocking--but most tend to confer some sort of advantage to players who have put in the time.
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Re: Market is going BOOM!
« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2012, 01:44:46 am »

TL;DR of this place: Either buff cooldown to at least X hours or put advanced workbenches in bases, otherwise it's not worth the trouble of mining, travelling and crafting.


No. People must die by PKers crafting their gear no hiding in a vault. People must go through the pain ass the steps to join gun runners. Advanced work benches in bases is just fucking stupid if I had to die by trolls to craft then everybody else should. This is stupid care bear shit let them whine and suffer crafting at unsafe advanced work benches.


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Re: Market is going BOOM!
« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2012, 03:00:42 am »

TL;DR of this place: Either buff cooldown to at least X hours or put advanced workbenches in bases, otherwise it's not worth the trouble of mining, travelling and crafting.



Did those bad kids bothered you again at school, Timmy?
Haha I hate when people get so mad, with their namecalling and swearing and being a meanie. Really breaks the atmosphere when you're having fun talking to friends or idling in NCR and suddenly some jackass with a dildo up his ass goes and rages about every thing you said over the past 10 minutes. You know who you are. Either get a life or chill your balls, niggas. On a different note, I must sadly agree.....spent around a half hour today going from my tent to the waterworks to get some components(ofc i couldnt take a lot), then to san francisco to spend my entire car/base fund on a couple of bio med gels, then off to necropolis....and what do I get from all this? 5 rad-x and 5 superstims. I have never yet been able to use an advanced workbench, but I shudder at how many times I will have to use it unless they remove all these limitations...
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Re: Market is going BOOM!
« Reply #50 on: July 25, 2012, 03:27:23 am »

....Either get a life or chill your balls, niggas....

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Re: Market is going BOOM!
« Reply #51 on: July 25, 2012, 04:43:12 am »

Lol I do not mean any offense, seclusion, etc etc by saying niggas, that's just how I talk. If you want to, just pretend I said "Either get a life or chill your balls, people..."
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Re: Market is going BOOM!
« Reply #52 on: July 25, 2012, 01:24:49 pm »

God, NO, NO and NO !
NO fucking buyable advanced workbenches ! This is not freaking WoW where you can buy ride turtles if you spend your whole life on it gathering virtual money or pay real money. Neither is this your personal crafting-factory simulator. This is FONLINE and it's solely the devs thing how they make the game. Do you really think they would have implemented this current system requiring you to fight/grind for AWBs if everyone could just go along buy himself one and dwell in their caves again like last seasons ??
 Every faction would buy itself a workbench, and the whole point of the current system, to get sissy crafters out of their basement, risking their asses and have their faction fight for their exclusive right to craft gear goes down the drain. You keep forgetting what the former name of Fonline was, It was FACTIONS MOD, not build-your-own-little-chinese-factory mod .
It is great like it is, I agree the cooldown is for the butt with all current limitations, but I'm sure devs already took notice that this feature sucks and will work over it. Maybe they will notice that nice idea of making the CD depending on your repair/science skill and implement it, who knows.

 Just don't start crying because your wet crafting dreams of crafting yourself some self-esteem have been crushed now, crafting isn't the main core of this game, and you got enough stuff left to waste for now, I'm sure, so you can very well make a break for some time. Just relax people, it's a matter of time, you pussies.
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Re: Market is going BOOM!
« Reply #53 on: July 25, 2012, 01:48:32 pm »

Kool-Aid, I found you're playing role of though-guy on our forum, as i guess ingame as well. Good, you know, on Internet you can be what you want to be and fulfill your dreams that cant be fulfilled in real life. For me, i found myself rather as cold-ass chilling wanderer, who ocassionaly fights with others for goods, but i dont have urge to spoil blood everywhere I am. And you're forgeting that PvP is huge part of this game, but Faction Mod doesnt mean killing everything everywhere who is not in your faction. As it was said many many times, its not 2d Quake, its Fallout. Fallout (dont remember now which, though) could be passed without killing single creature. Why? Cause thats the difference between Shooting/Action game and RPG.

Anyway, there's no sense in arguing since you got this vision, and others go other, but I think you should respect other people a little bit more, you may feel as God while you're sitting in front of your machine, but you're not.
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Re: Market is going BOOM!
« Reply #54 on: July 25, 2012, 02:56:29 pm »

Kool-Aid, I found you're playing role of though-guy on our forum, as i guess ingame as well. Good, you know, on Internet you can be what you want to be and fulfill your dreams that cant be fulfilled in real life. For me, i found myself rather as cold-ass chilling wanderer, who ocassionaly fights with others for goods, but i dont have urge to spoil blood everywhere I am. And you're forgeting that PvP is huge part of this game, but Faction Mod doesnt mean killing everything everywhere who is not in your faction. As it was said many many times, its not 2d Quake, its Fallout. Fallout (dont remember now which, though) could be passed without killing single creature. Why? Cause thats the difference between Shooting/Action game and RPG.

Anyway, there's no sense in arguing since you got this vision, and others go other, but I think you should respect other people a little bit more, you may feel as God while you're sitting in front of your machine, but you're not.

First of all, I am not acting any 'role', I say what I think and don't limit that on some internet forum or computer game . Your naive assumption  "You act like tough-guy because you can't do that in real life" is highly foolish and accounts for people younger then 20 at best. And disgracing polemics don't make you look better, either. Yet you are talking about respect. TBH I rarely see anyone in this game or forum respecting each others, one examples amongst many is the kind of those nazi RPers who want to tell what this game gotta look and treat us 99% of the game population who solely want to PVP like shit. Or the crafter carebears who make rageposts on forum if they die while they are on mining runs because some PVP ape shreds them during TC. Or PVPers who project their endless gnawing at each other on newbs, humiliatig or insultig them, calling them noobs without caring that everyone has some self-esteem and those people might actually stay longer then a few weeks, if given the chance. If you want me to show respect for this kind of people, no thanks. Respect comes from both sides, I don't respect someone who tells me what to think, how I should play my game or live my life and yet doesn't have an ear open for my suggestions. Simply said, I treat shit like shit, that's the tough reality. I don't know about in what fairy tale you live in, but you are sure naive to think everyones  persons or opinion is equally valuable (like someone recently on this forums said) or respectable for nothing, because of injected dogmas like "Every one is equal".

To your objection; Besides that I don't see where you picked this out of my post, I am aware that you don't need to kill everything you encounter, but its up to me to decide, no ? I think its my right, as long as the game allows me to.
Furthermore all I tried to say, what you obviously didn't read out because you were spending too much braincells on feeling offended, is that the game itself should be based around its core, which is basicly fighting against other gangs/players. The implementation of the new crafter system suggests that I'm right and not just presuming, I also remember some dev saying earlier this season that the advanced WB at GR was a mistake because it shouldn't be the main site of crafting stuff, more an alternative, but honestly most people use this "alternative".

About all this silly "fallout" matter. The game might be Falloutish, but it doesn't mean its Fallout just because its "set" in that world. You couldn't compete against other players in fallout, nor did you have any use for some professions, e.g. a real thief . NOR could you craft shit, for that matter. You could make a lumberjack optimum and play the whole game with it, thus killing all variety. So let's stop about this silly "what is fallout" and "this is not fallout" matter, it brings us to nowhere. I, for myself, liked the harsh and unforgiving atmosphere the player create themselves. THIS atmosphere, of people mistrusting and killing each other without comment is what really makes this game a post-apocalyptic mmorpg, If there would be no maniacs killing everyone they encouter this game would be a sore sight, same if there wouldn't be those alleged white knights called APKs or carebears. Its the twisted community which makes this game, a perfect mirror of what society would be like if there would be no order. And people like you want to screw this wonderful social experiment up with their bullshit arguments of "this is fallout rpg, not some quake 2d". Go play fallout single player then, or hello kitty if you don't like it and  fail to differ fonline from quake.

Besides, I love it when people start treating me like im underaged because they can't bear someone telling them whats right and what's not. It tells me more about them then their putative attempts make me look bad. Try harder, momma's boy.
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Re: Market is going BOOM!
« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2012, 03:19:41 pm »

Every single one of you, hypocrites. That is all.
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Re: Market is going BOOM!
« Reply #56 on: July 25, 2012, 04:03:30 pm »

First of all, I am not acting any 'role', I say what I think and don't limit that on some internet forum or computer game . Your naive assumption  "You act like tough-guy because you can't do that in real life" is highly foolish and accounts for people younger then 20 at best. And disgracing polemics don't make you look better, either. Yet you are talking about respect. TBH I rarely see anyone in this game or forum respecting each others, one examples amongst many is the kind of those nazi RPers who want to tell what this game gotta look and treat us 99% of the game population who solely want to PVP like shit.
Nvm, ok, lets leave respect subject, its pointless to argue about that, highly off-top.
But, you did society researches and know what people want most, right?:D I like PvP, didnt say i dont, but only when its interesting - like TC was for ex. session before. And you see, I'm always trying to say what I think how this game should look like, in my opinion farming is imbalanced, and though I'm considering myself as RP player I'm not telling you how to play, just sharing my vision. Neither me or you are devs, so I guess its not up to us how this game will look like overall.
Or the crafter carebears who make rageposts on forum if they die while they are on mining runs because some PVP ape shreds them during TC. Or PVPers who project their endless gnawing at each other on newbs, humiliatig or insultig them, calling them noobs without caring that everyone has some self-esteem and those people might actually stay longer then a few weeks, if given the chance. If you want me to show respect for this kind of people, no thanks. Respect comes from both sides, I don't respect someone who tells me what to think, how I should play my game or live my life and yet doesn't have an ear open for my suggestions. Simply said, I treat shit like shit, that's the tough reality. I don't know about in what fairy tale you live in, but you are sure naive to think everyones  persons or opinion is equally valuable (like someone recently on this forums said) or respectable for nothing, because of injected dogmas like "Every one is equal".
I admit that PvP bullies are awful, but i dont think its a good example to this discussion since its wrong to compare people ideas for economy of this game to some weird behaviours like crafters that makes stuff only for making stuff and bullies. I'm actually proud of this dogma and feel a little bit sad for you since you got to live in so tough reality - maybe I got luck, but I feel pretty OK in my fairy tale yet. I guess you're starting to persuade me that not everyone is equal, indeed. Some of us are just dicks and it will be this way. I love people like you with such "free of dogmas" and "open minded minds". I just hope for you you wont be badly dissapointed someday.

To your objection; Besides that I don't see where you picked this out of my post, I am aware that you don't need to kill everything you encounter, but its up to me to decide, no ? I think its my right, as long as the game allows me to.
Furthermore all I tried to say, what you obviously didn't read out because you were spending too much braincells on feeling offended, is that the game itself should be based around its core, which is basicly fighting against other gangs/players. The implementation of the new crafter system suggests that I'm right and not just presuming, I also remember some dev saying earlier this season that the advanced WB at GR was a mistake because it shouldn't be the main site of crafting stuff, more an alternative, but honestly most people use this "alternative".
Ok, maybe i have overreacted a bit. But you say that fighting against each other is the core of the game - I think the core of this game is different, more complex than only fighting. We could've have Hinkley instead of every city instead if its only about fights. Again, infinite farming stuff is imbalanced. No cooldown for that. If its about fighting, lets get rid off crafting and farming, give everyone lots of stuff and make war simulation. The thing is to make market alive in future in this game, so those who play RP can interact with those who find themselves in PvP - wealthy trader can make deals with strong mercenaries.
About your gamestyle: Of course you can decide whether to attack or not, its all up to you how you play. And I dont like either idea of AWB in bases, it would ruin whole idea of the current crafting system, its very bad idea but its not nessecary to offend anyone.
About all this silly "fallout" matter. The game might be Falloutish, but it doesn't mean its Fallout just because its "set" in that world. You couldn't compete against other players in fallout, nor did you have any use for some professions, e.g. a real thief . NOR could you craft shit, for that matter. You could make a lumberjack optimum and play the whole game with it, thus killing all variety. So let's stop about this silly "what is fallout" and "this is not fallout" matter, it brings us to nowhere. I, for myself, liked the harsh and unforgiving atmosphere the player create themselves. THIS atmosphere, of people mistrusting and killing each other without comment is what really makes this game a post-apocalyptic mmorpg, If there would be no maniacs killing everyone they encouter this game would be a sore sight, same if there wouldn't be those alleged white knights called APKs or carebears. Its the twisted community which makes this game, a perfect mirror of what society would be like if there would be no order. And people like you want to screw this wonderful social experiment up with their bullshit arguments of "this is fallout rpg, not some quake 2d". Go play fallout single player then, or hello kitty if you don't like it and  fail to differ fonline from quake.
Every type of player is needed, and i agree that it is somehow mirror of society that would exists in post-apo world. And yes, the variety of people is making this game interesting. But i think player interaction should expand on more lvls and again, market is one of those - i see not much connected with player interaction in killing dumb NPCs to get everything you want in amount you want (maybe when PKs camping the grid you're farming comes in, but thats a rarity), while there're still devs attemps to run some economy in this game by making crafting system. I reconsidered the idea to make unlootable NPC in encounters as too drastically, but they shouldnt be infinite source of highest quality stuff.

Besides, I love it when people start treating me like im underaged because they can't bear someone telling them whats right and what's not. It tells me more about them then their putative attempts make me look bad. Try harder, momma's boy.
I dont say you're underaged, i dont care about your age. Its just not right to insult others for their ideas and i'm not trying to makes you look bad, your vocabulary does.
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Re: Market is going BOOM!
« Reply #57 on: July 25, 2012, 04:24:00 pm »

in my opinion farming is imbalanced

what the hell do you want? invincible NPCs? farming HAS been made harder probably because of people like you suggesting it. have you even been in PvE fights? those critters crit ALOT MORE compared to last session, they have increased DR, and they usually come in big numbers. 99% of this game is PVP whether you like it or not. if you, as a player,  spend more time farming than PVPing, then this game has a problem. besides, the less items there are available in the game, the more empty the cities are because people don't wanna risk their hard-earned loot. (especialy if they go solo in battles)
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Re: Market is going BOOM!
« Reply #58 on: July 25, 2012, 04:47:02 pm »

Yes! Pew pew boom like old days is better.
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Re: Market is going BOOM!
« Reply #59 on: July 25, 2012, 05:00:09 pm »

FOnline is 2Hostile4RP, I've gotten over that. Believe me, I tried, and it's not possible. Have a converstation in a guarded town, good luck. Fighting? Not a chance. If you want to RP, go to garry's mod or something. Devs have chosen to take the MMO route over everything else. BTW, still a noob, it's hard as hell to get stuff, and harder to keep it. But, you just need to work I guess. Can't wait to be able to start using high-tier shit with my hybrid.
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