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So are critical bursts balanced?

Yes
- 10 (12%)
No, need to change!
- 62 (74.7%)
Whaa- ... i don't recognize such a monster. Leave me out of this.
- 11 (13.3%)

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Re: Critical bursts.
« Reply #75 on: July 08, 2012, 02:57:23 pm »

Why would anyone want to provide you with information? We aren't here to level up your game - actually, I firmly believe most people reading this who are competent enough to talk about this matter are going to have a good laugh about the loudest mouth in the forums having the crappiest builds in the game.

I'm not expecting any information from you, because you are incapable of providing anything else but false, incorrect information, that is not confirmed properly concerning this subject.

I'm only about to argue who is the loudest mouth here.

No, I'm playing without BC because it's better to play without BC because I know what the critical hit table looks like for the weapons I use. I've never, ever had a case of the dude I bursted surviving it, but I'm glad you'd rather waste a perk, makes it even easier for me to blast your ass.

No, you don't what the critical tables look like, you just assume you know. Plainly saying it doesn't make it the truth, keep trying to convince yourself.

I know what damage LSW weapon does, it's actually the weakest without bypasses to a target with any combinations of toughness, psycho, appropriate armor, pathetic damage in comparison to other weapons. Last time i visited hinkley there was a guy with maximum health and LSW, he critted me few times in the course of fighting (i bet he had a similar build like yours), what your saying is just obsolete information, because you don't involve enough variables. See if your shooting at a target who doesn't have toughness, neither psycho, yes in that case LSW does quite a bit damage, take note that other critical builds don't have any of those. Make an Avenger critical build and it largely spits through defence due to superior ammunition and damage, doesn't have to rely on bypasses to do massive critical hits. Never had a guy who survived a critical LSW burst, oh my .... deep bulshit your trying to imply.

Jesus christ, this session I've had a 5LK build when you had a 1LK build, then I switched to 10LK while you were still rolling on 1LK, had a great laugh seeing how easier it was to kill you and your 1LK pals, stopped playing for about a month due to shit TC and lack of players on the server - and what do my eyes see upon return? You're suddenly a high-class specialist on critical burst builds, incidentally about the time when everyone started whining about them. That makes you credible as hell, kid - especially since you obviously can't do the math with AP vs damage dealt and still post shitty builds, kid. Oh, and the fact that Avenger builds are popular doesn't even mean they're all strong, kid - in fact a good Avenger build is very niche and most players don't even have the skill to run them right (because they're first line glass cannons) - especially kids like you, kid.

See the part that's crossed? I don't know what are you talking about, nor why. Did you pull that out of blue sky? So if you go into nonsense, sure i can do that. I know that we didn't have any problem dealing with your team, ever, unless you backstab like your used to. As far as i remember, BBS lost close to all frontal engagements with SoT, just like everyone else, no matter how much alts you brought, we dealt with your critical builds with no problem, might have something to do with your bad builds. I mostly remember dying from bypasses on my 5 luck BRD burster(30% chance for that, if the critical hit is made, that's pure luck for sure), other than that, it was hard to die against BBS. I'm awaiting the whining about militia or how much more alts we had. ;D

Specialist, huh? Heh, you don't fully understand game mechanics, i don't have to be no specialist to tell your just basing your builds on wrong conclusions.

Calling someone else kid indicates some high level of arrogance, climb down ser, your not as high you think you are.
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Re: Critical bursts.
« Reply #76 on: July 08, 2012, 03:04:30 pm »

@niceboat
The margin of error in fonline is really big, especially when it comes to crit based builds. I can understand toughness vs lifegiver arguments and I always happilly join these, but at the end of the day you will never be able to tell if you just won because of ingame-luck or rl-luck.
It actually isn't because 10LK has about 33% of an edge on 5LK when it comes to crit to no crit ratio in a typical max AP attack situation, but you're free to believe whatever you want, just like triplefail is.

more bullshit
I don't remember ever having a less than 1:1 kill:death ratio fighting against SoT and I distinctly remember you dieing on 3 alts over the course of 60 seconds in Broken Hills where your gang got raped 3 times by a single BBS wave and you had to save your asses with militia. I'm convinced you've had at least one 1LK char, because it's been almost an inside joke how easy it is to dice you with anything cirt-related. Furthermore, you've also lost numerous frontal battles in Modoc even though you brought all your alts. Yeah, we've been defeated in Redding a lot, but that's how influence-based TC and camping for hours in an enemy town worked... so stop being pathetic, you're not going to confuse anyone who's been there, kid. Oh, and you have twice as many posts as I do even though you've been registered for 2 years less, so stop being so loud even when you don't know what you're talking about, kid. I mean you've been talking about viable LSW builds and better crit critbursters, that's enough to show you really don't know what you're talking about, kid.
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Re: Critical bursts.
« Reply #77 on: July 08, 2012, 03:17:50 pm »

Well if(rand()%100>chance) is not a spectacular way to show of any skill. But what I don't really understand is whether we do need the shooting itself to be something really set in stone or not. In the end the difference is not there in PvP fights, as the skill in Fonline is purely tactical.

What this thread should really about is the quality of life in the game, and it's well visible what sorry state is it in, when new players try to play the game.

There's no way this game will be any good if only one part can be taken seriously, and everything else is just a joke that you must do in order to PvP...
When considering PvE, and the swarm nature of AI, you don't think changes are required?
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Re: Critical bursts.
« Reply #78 on: July 08, 2012, 04:08:25 pm »

I don't remember ever having a less than 1:1 kill:death ratio fighting against SoT and I distinctly remember you dieing on 3 alts over the course of 60 seconds in Broken Hills where your gang got raped 3 times by a single BBS wave and you had to save your asses with militia. I'm convinced you've had at least one 1LK char, because it's been almost an inside joke how easy it is to dice you with anything cirt-related. Furthermore, you've also lost numerous frontal battles in Modoc even though you brought all your alts. Yeah, we've been defeated in Redding a lot, but that's how influence-based TC and camping for hours in an enemy town worked... so stop being pathetic, you're not going to confuse anyone who's been there, kid. Oh, and you have twice as many posts as I do even though you've been registered for 2 years less, so stop being so loud even when you don't know what you're talking about, kid. I mean you've been talking about viable LSW builds and better crit critbursters, that's enough to show you really don't know what you're talking about, kid.

I'm convinced that you have a bad memory, and haven't participated in enough fights. Keep remembering only one of your victories, it doesn't matter, if you don't recall your losses. Numerous lost battles in Modoc, we didn't even fight there at all, maybe few actual battles in this session, bullshit as always. I don't have to proove anything to you, it was how it was, nothing you say is going to change that. Try to justify your miserable losses as much as you want, it doesn't shake me at all, you remember 1:1 ratio. Oh come on ;D you've got to be kidding me, arrogant and ignorant, you just keep surprising me, waiting for your replies is like waiting for a new present each time. Ha, ha. ;D

Narrow is your perception of build viability, nothing more to say. That's very common for new players.

I have the patience to reply to more bullshit on this forum than you. That explains the post count, includes useless answers to your posts.
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Re: Critical bursts.
« Reply #79 on: July 08, 2012, 04:19:54 pm »

Forum fighters  ;D  guys you should really consider playing the game itself than be metagaming here on forum  ;)

Damn, I'm out of popcorn.  :(
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Re: Critical bursts.
« Reply #80 on: July 08, 2012, 06:47:14 pm »

Fcking good thread, please continue. Or rather not
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Re: Critical bursts.
« Reply #81 on: July 08, 2012, 07:07:53 pm »

T-888 at his best, telling stories about rainbow and unicorns. This never gets old, lol :D

Btw did any of you see triptroll in last, like, 3 months in any pvp action on 2238? Or only on forum.

I'm logging into the game few times a week and I've seen a lot Hawks, Amboys, BHH but never triplol and his funny buddies. Heck, I sometimes even see Nice Boat on his pvp chars and on teamspeak which is quite surprising, but that triplol kid? Always logged into forum he seems, telling cool stories about himself and his mighty gang, but never in game.

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Ok back to the topic: I've asked few more or less active players about critical bursts and it seems that all agree that x2.0 dmg modifier should be the most. If I remember correctly, it was like that for a couple of sessions and it worked!
Re: Critical bursts.
« Reply #82 on: July 08, 2012, 08:12:21 pm »

Btw did any of you see triptroll in last, like, 3 months in any pvp action on 2238? Or only on forum.

Trollgore joined in to back up his comrade with garbage, by the way it's not the age that determines wether your immature,

SoT is not active, it's summer, this forum is a good waste of time, the game is still quite fucked up. Move your brain a little bit, and don't ask stupid questions like it makes you look cool.

All i had to do is tell manero that there has to be a difference between +20 roll, show one build i made in few minutes and someone is mocking me already, this is retarded.

Ok back to the topic: I've asked few more or less active players about critical bursts and it seems that all agree that x2.0 dmg modifier should be the most. If I remember correctly, it was like that for a couple of sessions and it worked!

Bypasses are the real problem.
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Re: Critical bursts.
« Reply #83 on: July 08, 2012, 09:04:02 pm »

Nice flame thread. Gratz.

All i had to do is tell manero that there has to be a difference between +20 roll, show one build i made in few minutes and someone is mocking me already, this is retarded.

You don't have to tell me such a thing because it's obvious and i know that. I just think that difference is not worth 1 perk slot - that's all. I also wrote that it's my opinion. Whatever. All from me.
Re: Critical bursts.
« Reply #84 on: July 10, 2012, 10:58:28 pm »

Nerf the fucking critical bursting already god damnit.  :-\
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Re: Critical bursts.
« Reply #85 on: July 10, 2012, 11:38:35 pm »

Anoying aren't they? The critical hits i mean.
 
Despite this pissing contest of who has the better build or who knows the best, a great deal of players agree that critical bursts need to be uhm how to say it nicely ... re-adjusted. :)

I hope someone else other than Solar can do these necessary changes, his absence for an undetermined period of time might leave a hole in the population, due to these changes being a sensitive matter at the moment, that's also a nice way how to pinpoint the prior- ... eee importance of the subject.
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Re: Critical bursts.
« Reply #86 on: July 10, 2012, 11:43:47 pm »

I go to reno and people burst 800+ damage to me all the time, its fucking bullshit.
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Re: Critical bursts.
« Reply #87 on: July 11, 2012, 12:01:41 am »

800? Holy crap that's almost as much as me. Heh. ;D

I can advise you to either make a critical burster yourself, or anything relatively efficient with the combinations high luck+ toughness+ psycho+ man of steel +close to maximum health to counter, unless gatling gun is your problem, then high luck+ MA/Tesla + man of steel will help a lot.

Most or close to all critical bursters have no toughness or normal resistances, LSW is quite an efficient tool against them as long as they wear MA.
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