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[DrapiChrust]

We will still not add new weapons to the game. But we want to give every weapon a own 3d model.

Both zip gun and pipe rifle are 'traditional' Fallout weapons. According to this: http://www.fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/3d_graphics_development_tracker pipe rifle even has a skinned 3d model already. So why not introduce those ones as first, simplest, crappy, craftable weapons? Sth for a 1-4lvl player to start with.

When it comes to ammo - as I've said there could be some kind of simple quest to get those. I thought of a little modification of a 'brahmins&shovel' quest (just an additional dialogue branch with one simple script)

<Player, after cleaning the pen talks to herdsmen>
P: OK, it's done. Say, maybe you have some spare zipgun rounds? I'm kinda running low on ammo lately...
H: Er, 9mm bullets? Yer fancy shootin' rats or what? <chuckles> Damn, whatever. You can have these if you want. No one sane uses this crap anyway.
P: [in<6] Thanks, see you around
P: [in>5] It sounds quite intriguing when a person of your occupation call things 'crap'. See you around.

(Player gets amount of 9mm bullets equal to the number of 'craps' he shoveled.)

[Badger]

So why not introduce those ones as first, simplest, crappy, craftable weapons? Sth for a 1-4lvl player to start with.

This.

[Lexx]

Both zip gun and pipe rifle are 'traditional' Fallout weapons. According to this: http://www.fo2238.fodev.net/wiki/3d_graphics_development_tracker pipe rifle even has a skinned 3d model already. So why not introduce those ones as first, simplest, crappy, craftable weapons? Sth for a 1-4lvl player to start with.

I have nothing to do with the crafting system. I was just saying that we will not add new weapons, as we still have to balance the existing ones.

[Kharaam]

Mountain bikes would be nice, but maybe you could introduce roads?
About ammo and guns... I certainly think that less ammo is needed in this game, people sould really count every bullet they shoot and care for this precious resource

[Necrod]

My suggestion is zoom in and out option with mouse wheel

And maybe 1920x1080 wide screen resolution if possible, if not 1920 some lower... I know i will get flamed for saying this...

[DrapiChrust]

.e flames necrod

Khaaram - c'mon mountain bike are WAY too 'NOT FALLOUT'. This is a 50's style game, nobody thought about mountain bikes in the 50's.

[Kharaam]

o right. sorry, i forgot. This propostion was because I am a fan of postapocalypse in general, where bikes are a funny and climatic idea.
so maybe horses then?
and speargun is a nice idea too.

[Badger]

I seem to remember reading something about the pipe rifle being meant to fire rocks in early design. Might be worth considering.

But then again, it would be a lot easier and smarter to just retool BBs and BB guns to actually be useful in combat. So most small guns chars start out firing BBs, then they upgrade their standard BB gun to the (nerfed) Red Ryder LE. Then they finally graduate to 10mm pistols.

Maybe the parallel/alternate track for more crafting-skilled small gunners is making a zip gun, then upgrading to a pipe rifle. Maybe they could fire 9mm and 9mm could be a lot easier to build.

Thoughts?

[BrunoAnso]

i think perhaps a speargun or somesuch for a starting BG, as parallell to the BB's and crude guns of SG, or maybe just give them a bb minigun 

[Badger]

i think perhaps a speargun or somesuch for a starting BG, as parallell to the BB's and crude guns of SG, or maybe just give them a bb minigun 

I think the basic flamer could fill that niche quite easily, with a bit of tweaking.

[BrunoAnso]

it would seem a bit too high-tech-y for me,  when you compare it to a zip gun or pipe rifle, i could make those but i couldn't make a flamer like that.

[Necrod]

There should be a little window up there with text that tells you what to do on the beginning of the game, like a little tutorial on what you can do... I think its hard to get started for new players... I know this is still beta but still..

So noone likes zoom in and out idea?

[Kharaam]

i think zoom is not needed in this game...maybe zoom out for PvP would be usefull, but i dont do this kind of stuff

[runboy93]

Makes Gambling skill useful.