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[Shangalar]

You hate it and still you were the first to it, the gang who almost "taught" other gangs to do so. That's a pity. On our side, we begin to enjoy it, it takes some time to gather, but after that we can make fucking more huge battles. BH yesterday's battle between CoA and BBS is a damn good proof. It was really intense and exciting.

[manero]

40minutes of waitng for other teams for brining 3-4 alts..

If both teams are prepared like that - fights are longer. Long fight equals cool fight. I don't see anything wrong about that.

BH yesterday's battle between CoA and BBS is a damn good proof. It was really intense and exciting.

This is what im talking about. It wasn't first fight like that and i bet i won't be last fight(we got evening every day ). More alts, more fun.

I don't remember similar fights in the past.

[T-888]

Inevitable, it was bound to come to this point where alts are a major factor eventually, it's irrelevant to point fingers who did it first.

I rather settle for less waiting, less grind, to be able to play normally, also it's quite a big hit for more casual players, because not everyone has time or is willing to level up so many alts and spend so much time to gather for a single fight, it's just so boring.

[Shangalar]

I didnt want to say you're responsible for the situation, just that as first gang to introduce this "feature", I thought you'd enjoy it. What you say about casuals is quite right anyways, but it's also something to take in consideration when a smaller team can defeat a bigger one with the help of these reinforcements. The most tenacious get the better results. To be able to take revenge when you got killed is pretty enjoyable.

[T-888]

Hey, look at this point of view i already pointed out that we might need fresh blood, so that is some new players obviously. What the hell are we supposed to tell them if he/she is learning this game? "it's best to level up 3 combat alts, then you can come TC with us!"

[LeMark]

You need a strong core, new player can be usefell with only 1 alt.

Last night fight was 1 of the funny fight in the last 3 years, that make 2 of this kind in past 3 weeks very nice ratio.

[T-888]

I'm talking about the general impression new players get who involve into this game.

[Shangalar]

Yeah, ask newcomers to bring what they have. Most involved players can also level up chars just to share them with the guys who dont have time enough to do it by themselves.

[T-888]

What do you think they will bring? Fallout 2 style of character, be hardcore or go away?

[Shangalar]

Dunno really since we dont recruit anyone

I'd say that Fallout 2 style, if you mean not optimized char, is useless for a long time now, and that pvp requires optimization. If those people wanna do pvp, they won't bring broken chars. Or at start and then level up new ones, which move them into hardcore category. And if they go away, well. There are already many reasons to go away besides pvp aspect of the game.

[T-888]

My point this FR is just a no-go in general, sure for experienced players it's not a big problem to deal with and especially those who are enthusiastic about it, leveling up multiple alts just for fun anyway. I'm not the only one who is in denial with all this, think about it this way, if you are going to put some kind of CD for combat so you can't FR, it's not going to scare away players, on the other hand requiring multiple alts to be effective is discouraging for a part of players who simply do not involve in PvP at all because of that.

[LeMark]

At the start of this session when only few (including SOT) was using FR SOT was for this, now all your enemies use it you are against this thing? It’s kind of cheap don’t you thing? Not grave we will focus on having fun with BBS and Hawks.

[T-888]

It seems you are missing the point.

We just knew what is going to come, it's not about someone using it against us do not be so biased to us, it's about everyone being forced to do the same thing in order to compete, that includes more casual players i described previously. That includes SoT and you.

Inevitable, it was bound to come to this point where alts are a major factor eventually, it's irrelevant to point fingers who did it first.

[LeMark]

Dude I don’t miss the point. Be against FR is a valuable opinion. But at the start of this session TTLA fight everywhere on this forum against this feature, during this time SOT (pretty sure it was including you but I don’t have the time right now to search on forum) was defending this. Now everyone accept this and make FR or already leave the game you switch your opinion? IMO you say that because of your SOT agenda, that it, you don’t have real conviction behind this.

[T-888]

That's were you are wrong, i did not keep quite either when we were playing, there was just insults from other teams, much trolling and counterproductive discussions about it if you forgot, i was against this the whole time, my leader said it's going to be shit from the very first day. Developers didn't say a word about it, didn't mention it in any logs, in CBT nobody bothered to up this for discussion because everyone thought it was for easier testing.

BBS was defending this, not us. SoT defended the broken influence system for a while until we understood that it is a no-go.