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Lordus:

--- Quote from: ThePhoenix77 on February 05, 2012, 11:03:54 PM ---So actual real life tribals have access to internet or survival books?
Mankind has been able to make spears for 1000's of years before books and internet existed. If you live in a primitive tribe then knowledge of such items is passed down through generations. Even in the fallout universe if some tribal discovered information on how to create such tools and passed that knowledge down through their tribe over generations then tribal X of generation 9 wouldn't have access to the original information as there wouldn't have been any need of that information since that knowledge was passed freely around the tribe so as such the information would no longer exist except in the tribal teachings.
It's like saying did you learn to walk, talk and read from a book or internet, no you were taught by your family and later progressed through teachings.

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 "Mankind" needed milions of years to climb down from a tree, hundreds of thousands of years to use a rock and a stick and dozens of thousands of years to use a rock and a stick together. The knowledge of creating and using spears were developing thru time. Check this  http://images.wikia.com/fallout/images/e/e7/SpearFNV.png and this http://thedarkblade.com/wp-content/uploads/atlatl-throw3.jpg do you see difference?

 You need to know how to create tip of the spear, how balance whole spear, how to stabilize it during its fly. You need knowledge of materials, how to prepare them, connect them etc. So simply, you are not able to create spear at this moment, am i right? And tell me, why should bluesuit be able to create spear, and if i mean spear, i mean SPEAR, not knife on the stick.

 There are several ways, how to pass knowledge. Totems, wall paintings are also ways. So if we are talking about Fonline and "artistic licence" how to express knowledge passing process, the result could be simplified. Like Blue print. Or totem. Even the reality is different, you can "download" blueprint of asault weapon, but you wil not be able to create it without any other knowledge (math, physic, chemistry).

So why we should use damn simplified artistic licences, if they are not realistic?

 Because of good gameplay.

 Gameplay?

 Yes, improving gameplay. This is my suggestion, not impotent dialogue about history, for christ.

 Lets make first few days, maybe week after next wipe time of spears, shotguns, pistols, throwing nades, instead of rocketlaunchers, avengers and miniguns. Do you get it Mr. Nitpicker?

ThePhoenix77:
You want me to nit pick then; Spears can be divided into two broad categories: those designed for thrusting and those designed for throwing.
A spear is a pole weapon consisting of a shaft, usually of wood, with a pointed head.

The head may be simply the sharpened end of the shaft itself, as is the case with bamboo spears,
or it may be made of a more durable material fastened to the shaft, such as flint, obsidian, iron, steel or bronze.

Spear manufacture and use is not confined to human beings. It is also practised by the Pan troglodytes verus subspecies of the Common Chimpanzee. Chimpanzees near Kédougou, Senegal were observed to create spears by breaking straight limbs off trees, stripping them of their bark and side branches, and sharpening one end with their teeth. They then used the weapons to hunt galagos sleeping in hollows. Orangutans also have used spears to fish, presumably after observing humans fishing in a similar manner.

Prehistory
Hunting spear and knife, from Mesa Verde National Park

Archeological evidence found in Germany documents that wooden spears were used for hunting since at least 400,000 years ago. Wood does not preserve well, however, and Craig Stanford, a primatologist and professor of anthropology at the University of Southern California, has suggested that the discovery of spear use by chimpanzees probably means that early humans used wooden spears as well, perhaps, five million years ago.

Neanderthals were constructing stone spear heads from as early as 300,000 BC and by 250,000 years ago, wooden spears were made with fire-hardened points.

From 200,000 BC onwards, Middle Paleolithic humans began to make complex stone blades with flaked edges which were used as spear heads. These stone heads could be fixed to the spear shaft by gum or resin or by bindings made of animal sinew, leather strips or vegetable matter.

During this period, a clear difference remained between spears designed to be thrown and those designed to be used in hand-to-hand combat. By the Magdalenian period (15000-9500 BC), spear-throwers similar to the later atlatl were in use

The most common design for hunting or combat spears since ancient times has incorporated a metal spearhead shaped like a barbed triangle, lozenge or leaf. The heads of fishing spears usually feature barbs or serrated edges.
And I agree with you on. Lets make first few days, maybe week after next wipe time of spears, shotguns, pistols, throwing nades, instead of rocket launchers, avengers and miniguns. I never said I didn't.

Also where did bluesuit come from? If like in the beginning out F2 then you came from a tribe and still had a bluesuit.

Also a throwing spear is a javelin.

Shonsu:
Good lord Phoenix quit trolling him.  The idea isn't a bad one.  And most of your posts have either been deliberately off the point of what he said or you're just totally missing his points.

Basically he's just saying to extend the idea of blueprints to everything. 

snailbeast:
In fallout2 there is someone who teaches you how to make sharpened spear with some easy quest.
So it`s possible to make knifes and spears accessible by some easy quest. The same goes to unarmed weapons and attacks so one can have different fighting styles not just by taking different perks but by learning them from different... teachers or, may be mystical strangers wandering in wasteland

KruskDaMangled:
I have 150 on my lockpick alt, and I've found 2 blueprints so far. You can actually get one from two different quests at least, and the one doesn't involve screwing the pooch with the faction you got the quest from.

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