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What do you think of the auto knock down from heavy handed?
Gaizk:
--- Quote from: Solar on January 20, 2012, 08:46:31 pm ---Well, that is no problem in itself. You're vulnerable to a character, you have defences against it - running, killing them before they get there. If you don't choose the perk that's your choice.
The only problem with it is bluesuits using it and risking nothing, which is why I said -5 Str default which is removed by PF or MPF.
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Really solar, you should see HtH fighters in action, as well as SD fighters, really take your time test HOW sneaking works at the moment. There isnt much running or shooting when you dont know whats gonna hit you and when, its oh so very very easy to sneak up on people now its just ridiculous, and as people have posted all it takes is 1 hit and you're likely not getting up. Although I must admit the HtH situation is not so dire considering that with SD and a bursting weapon, 1 hit and YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY not getting up.
I truly dont mind how sneak works, I actually love the idea, but you IMO, by a decade of FoT experience with silent running ninja bursting sneakers, I can decidedly tell you how broken is to be able to RUN and SNEAK. Tactics get thrown out of the window and it isnt as much as ambushing as its DESCENDING upon your victim, batman style and all... Keep sneak the way it is, remove the ability to run Im extremely certain about that, a sneaker should plan carefully and tactically its hit, not just a man with a stealth field device (Oh there goes another idea, maybe running if a stealth boy is enabled, who knows!) Trust me, walking people is completely possible to detect with a motion sensor, running people might not give you the chance most of the time
Killy:
u forgot 1 thing, these people ( sneakers + unarmed) risk nothing, they can run around trolling ( i can see maxed ac trolls during tc when AC cap will be removed), if they get killed they are back in 2 min, and all talk about balancing unarmed and sneak would make sense if it needed some stuff to use, any big gunner needs expensive stuff, all sneakers and unarmed need is a blue pajama or a cheap smg from encounter, since when something like this should be "balanced" ?? make them use expensive stuff or nerf it
T-888:
I think we need to just play some time to actually see how they come into play , if these HH hth characters will become a serious problem i'm sure people will come up with constructive feedback and you all will be heard again , furthermore i highly doubt developers in that case will sit with their hands crossed.
In any case i would agree on some changes at the moment like END slightly affecting knock down chance , we already have perks for protection , another thing would be to boost tree trunk tights as it makes your legs stronger you might as well gain slight protection against KD. That perk right now is only for lockpick treasure hunter blueprint farmers.
--- Quote from: Killy on January 20, 2012, 11:25:27 pm ---make them use expensive stuff or nerf it
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That's one of the most stupid things i have ever heard in this forum.
Reiniat:
--- Quote ---What do you think of the auto knock down from heavy handed?
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Worst feature ever :P
but also:
--- Quote from: T-888 on January 20, 2012, 11:35:39 pm ---I think we need to just play some time to actually see how they come into play
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Killy:
why u say that? someone above noticed whats gonna happen soon, since sneak is OP, everyone will make new sneak alts, groups of sneak users 5-10 will camp important places and as it is now nothing can be done against it, doesnt matter if they use SD greas guns or nades in the future, the sneakers choose the time and place to strike and its impossible to detect 'em, the motion scanner thingy would be a nice idea if it revealed sneakers for the person who has it on in his inventory ...
and dunno about removing AC max cap but mark my words if it happens u will have hords of blue trolls running around wasting ur ammo looting stuff and gangbanging single loners not smart enough to run away when they see 2-3 blue pajama guys, if u kill the troll he will be back in a minute, we have seen it before and its gonna be even worse
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