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Half wipe
avv:
--- Quote from: Wichura on October 22, 2011, 04:49:44 PM ---Right, people won't fight for items, no sir.
Half wipe doesn't sound that bad, at least if there's lot of people waiting for it, no matter what chages it will (or not) bring. Hoarding stuff can be goal for itself, I mean almost none of NCR vultures ever use crap they grabbed/stolen/taken anyway. Wiping stuff and bases with characters remaining was never tested here before, so why not.
And what about characters level? Wipe them too or leave at 21th?
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That text of mine you quoted basically meant: "Don't fuck with me". You see most players who do have stuff don't actually care about it but they do care if someone tries to take it. It's the principle that matters.
If you wipe chars, well then you have lots of players in world encounters somewhere unseen, hunting molerats and centaurs.
--- Quote from: OskaRus on October 22, 2011, 05:26:20 PM ---OMG guys. Wipe is not for wipe. Wipe is to allow mayor game changes to be introduced. The fact that fonline have no economy at all should not be fixed by wipe itself.
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Exactly. People want wipe because it brings new interesting features to try out.
Lack of items don't create economy, the methods to get items rule out whether or not an economy will be formed. A single player can get all the materials he need alone by using alts and spending time.
Hololasima:
Half wipe will bring nothing. Personally i wait for update, not for deleting items and characters.
T-888:
--- Quote from: avv on October 22, 2011, 12:51:56 PM ---Wiping won't increase interaction. Need something? Get it yourself, alts make it possible.
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First of all things i should remind is that not everyone is a dual logger and goes on mining trips with 4 characters at the same time. Alts make it possible but it's kinda hard to be self sufficient even if you have all the alts.
You can craft everything , but there is one thing players can't craft and that is money. Since this would help developers see how the new crafting system works and how economy works under circumstances that there is no broken bank system and if they would fix things like 5mm stealing , it would be really interesting how things go.
Wipe will increase interaction! No one will have a single piece of equipment , so everyone will gather resources to make what they can , some will be able to make everything but a big part of players will still need to buy stuff from other players - interaction. What are the most important resources for making equipment to fight ? HQ ore , minerals , where do we get them ? Mines , so they will be filled , pk's and apk relationship will sky rocket. What are good ways to obtain caps , since there would be no broken bank system and maybe some features fixed ? TC and trading with players , players offer more than traders and TC is self explanatory , where do you think big factions will get the money to buy cars , use mercs etc. etc. ? - TC !
I can pump out more examples if this doesn't satisfy you.
--- Quote from: avv on October 22, 2011, 12:51:56 PM ---Players get items so that they can do something with them. They hoard items so that they can come back with new set if they die. You won't have good pvp if your enemies run out of gear all the time. If you think people will fight more furiously because they "must win" they won't. They just spend more time farming, use crappier gear and silly bluesuit strategies or go completely underground.
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Players make items to fight - yes ! They hoard items so that they can upkeep fighting - yes ! Do players get items so they can sell them and make caps or trade for other items ? - YES ! Will this make pvp interesting since no one will have gazilion BA's in bases - YES ! etc. etc. :)
Low tech fighting is good , wouldn't you mind to fight with something else then the usual avenger , ba , RL and sniper rifle ? As far as i know a lot of people here like low tech fighting because it gives the feeling of true wasteland or something :)
--- Quote from: Wichura on October 22, 2011, 04:49:44 PM ---Right, people won't fight for items, no sir.
Half wipe doesn't sound that bad, at least if there's lot of people waiting for it, no matter what chages it will (or not) bring. Hoarding stuff can be goal for itself, I mean almost none of NCR vultures ever use crap they grabbed/stolen/taken anyway. Wiping stuff and bases with characters remaining was never tested here before, so why not.
And what about characters level? Wipe them too or leave at 21th?
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Exactly , this why we still see looter proxies :)
The bold part is just gold.
Characters stay on 21th.
--- Quote from: OskaRus on October 22, 2011, 05:26:20 PM ---OMG guys. Wipe is not for wipe. Wipe is to allow mayor game changes to be introduced. The fact that fonline have no economy at all should not be fixed by wipe itself.
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We are talking about half wipe no the actual wipe , this half wipe can be used for major-minor changes that allows developers to test and readjust features of economy and other minor stuff more frequently and therefore making a better game , don't you want this ? If not - why ?
--- Quote from: RavenousRat on October 22, 2011, 05:44:56 PM ---bla bla bla troll troll bla bla bla bla bla bla troll troll bla bla bla troll troll
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Thank you for a very good post that fulfills this discussion.
--- Quote from: avv on October 22, 2011, 05:51:14 PM ---Exactly. People want wipe because it brings new interesting features to try out.
Lack of items don't create economy, the methods to get items rule out whether or not an economy will be formed. A single player can get all the materials he need alone by using alts and spending time.
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It would still bring new features and give reason for players to play , maybe not as intensive as the big wipe :) , but it is still a lot better than nothing.
Lack of items will create circumstances to see how the economy is reached , the actual process not the result - everyone has crapload of stuff and everyone can get everything is complete nonsense can you stop repeating this ?
People please be opened minded and think about this from more than one point of view.
Michaelh139:
If the goal is to bring the population back up I'm not so sure this will work.
"the wipe is near" feel being around, if everything is wiped, no one will bother working to get their shit back together, with the idea that it'll all be fully wiped "soon".
I dunno, maybe. Couldn't hurt to try maybe.
T-888:
--- Quote from: Michaelh139 on October 22, 2011, 08:59:26 PM ---If the goal is to bring the population back up I'm not so sure this will work.
"the wipe is near" feel being around, if everything is wiped, no one will bother working to get their shit back together, with the idea that it'll all be fully wiped "soon".
I dunno, maybe. Couldn't hurt to try maybe.
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We could argue about if it will bring back population for hours , we have to see how this works.
Even if it wouldn't skyrocket the population , i think a minimal increase can be expected and that would be good for everyone. At least for existing players something to do.
Only now a developer asked us how we want town control after wipe , the rumor about wipe started how long ago 7 , 8 months ago ? Look what it has done to server , the lowest average player count in the last year , the server is loosing players rapidly. I don't know how long this will take but i don't expect wipe in the next two months. Anyway this half wipe can happen after wipe too , for example after 4 or 5 months after the actual wipe.
Sure this all sounds " unsure " , but you can't always be sure for everything that hasn't been tested , will developers see this as an good opportunity or maybe lexx will come and say that he doesn't like one part of all this.
btw it would prevent people of hoarding ridiculous amount of equipment at any time , any circumstances , especially now. Think about it why do you want shitloads of equipment for your base or tent as just a decoration that will never be used and most probably deleted after a while(by a while i mean close to a half year) ?
I stay here because i admire 2238 , i don't go play other servers because i want to support this project , give suggestions at least try to make a difference , support the server population , i don't want this community to split up and each day it becomes more thinner because tons of players are " waiting wipe " and some of them may just find another server and don't come back in the end.
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