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Roleplaying in FOnline:2238
Eternauta:
--- Quote from: Lordus on September 23, 2011, 02:39:48 PM ---1) Roleplay is mostly incompatible with "game rules".
I.e. my radiomadbrahmin needed 2 logged chars at same time. One was broadcaster with scripts (=> this char was stationary and was unable to move if he broadcast), second logged char had several functions: nonstop checking of radio broadcasting correctness, reporter, free radio donater, ... . If i want to broadcast actual informations, i needed to be in the centres of any events. So basicly: stationary char was located in NCR (where traders tried to sell their stuff, newbies tried to find friends, ... ) and second char was traveling across wasteland = mining, crafting, PvP. So i got two sources that i could use.
But i was prisoned because of dual logging. Funy, because PvPs enemy used proxies in pvp, and i was using (and declaring it to GMs) only for purpose of this roleplay.
So even GM could ruin by their actions roleplay.
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"I needed two logged chars at the same time", ::) Are you "forever alone" or what? You're always saying "VSB this, VSB that", ask a friend for help instead of breaking a rule.
--- Quote --- 2) GM and devs are apathetic to RP that is different than their own ideas.
I tried to get robe skins to my church char and chars of members of our church (because non killing policy leaded to situation, that everyone killed us and loot our robe). The answer was: "find your own robes, and give it to members of your church, we dont care, and it would be unfair to basic players". So in fact, this was total misunderstood of what church RP was (it was not one faction, we gathered players from even enemy factions), but it was unsuccesfull because of this reason. Result = players empty churches (and cities) across the whole wasteland cities.
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I would first read the PMs or whatever you typed to ask devs for help. Something tells me you don't have much Speech skill.
--- Quote --- So "fairness policy" resulted into ghost towns. (non only in my case). So in general .. i suggested little "socialism", targeted support of roleplay, but "pure kapitalism" won, (pure equal chances for everyone). Although in my RL i am more conservative that liberal (in east countries language, i am more right wing orientated), this could not work in game universe, if you can not create your own locations, places, items, quests, ... .
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Hell yeah, real world economics/politics is DA way to talk about FOnline.
--- Quote --- I agree that devs will implement new quests, but this will sufficient only for first few days, weeks after wipe, than everybody would know this.
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Because, what would happen then? "CANT SPEEK WITH THIS NPC WITH MA PVP CHAR THIS GAME SUX" - Don't complain about no RP and don't complain about devs then.
--- Quote --- Look at Requiem (fonline mod). I dont have enough time to test it for many hours, but my first experience in unguarded town (almost every generaly accesible location is unguarded there) was that:
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More of your good old "2238 sux, Requiem's da shit"? Just leave 2238 once for all if the other sever is so awesome.
--- Quote --- a) there were players welcoming me. I found that they had faction base under that city (= created for them, by GM they give them monopol to use it). I found that this is not only one case, but many factions have this.
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Obviously the best way to boost RP is to give factions something so they feel proud of their virtual penis... And I remember that Requiem feature: it inspired you for a suggestion which was basically "I've been playing this game for two years I WANT EPIC BASE NAO".
--- Quote --- b) in that location, there was a dog char played by man. When he saw me, he run to me, then he bites me 3x times, but he did not killed me. First i was confused, then i was text barking on him, finaly, i found a meat and gived it to him, and after that time, he always greeted me (because there is NAME COLOURIZING and the player was able to recognize me!!!). = ROLEPLAY
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Funny enough, I saw a PC dog in NCR (in 2238) the other night, and it came to smell me, etc. Also Lordus, since you've "tried RP" so much, you should know that it's not the player who has to recognize you, but the character, and Name Colourizing goes against that.
--- Quote --- c) in Requiem, there is enclave, player driven faction. They have to gather, craft.. like everybody else, but they have special base and rank before their names. Their roleplay is based on kill everyone, but their priority is to defend F2 enclave locations. In one team quest, when you can send for stuff and then PvE (Cathedral repetable quest), you can call npcs of enclave and then kill them. This player driven faction is focusing on preventing this, (prevent to kill enclave NPCs) = roleplay.
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MOAR "2238 sux Requiem is awesum!!1!!" - And I loved this part: "Their roleplay is based on kill everyone" :D
--- Quote ---Reasons of clinical death of RP:
1) Devs dont have enough time
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If you understand that, don't whine because "they don't play the game", etc.
--- Quote --- 2) Good RP requires also team work. But devs gathered all GM usually from "solo" players, that dont have enough experience with needs (roleplay needs,...) of faction players.
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Excuse me pal, but "lol I'll make shared BA crafter" and "spawn in 3, 2, 1..." are not the only forms of team work.
--- Quote --- 3) Devs dont play 2238, so they are divorced from game reality and their decision-making is dependent on players, who are mostly conformal to them (GMs, solo players), instead of players, who wants to evolve some game mechanism and have experience with that.
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You just said they have no time. Also, way to go accusing devs of "RP fascism".
So please Lordus instead of doing you "ragequitting and coming back to whine on forum" cycle, just leave 2238 already if you hate it so much, and stay in your beloved Requiem.
Crazy:
--- Quote from: Eternauta on September 23, 2011, 03:52:57 PM ---"I needed two logged chars at the same time", ::) Are you "forever alone" or what? You're always saying "VSB this, VSB that", ask a friend for help instead of breaking a rule.
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Yeah, what a great idea. Staying on one character typing always the same info (or using script, but still not able to do anything else). So fun, everyone would want to do that to inform the wasteland.
--- Quote from: Eternauta on September 23, 2011, 03:52:57 PM ---I would first read the PMs or whatever you typed to ask devs for help. Something tells me you don't have much Speech skill.
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Not dev business, rather GMs I think. And as long you're polite, explain what you're doing, and willing to improve game experience for everyone... I don't think he said "motherfucker I dual log don't ban me idiots".
--- Quote from: Eternauta on September 23, 2011, 03:52:57 PM ---Because, what would happen then? "CANT SPEEK WITH THIS NPC WITH MA PVP CHAR THIS GAME SUX" - Don't complain about no RP and don't complain about devs then.
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You missed the point, it's about doing ten times the same quests is no fun when against NPCs, because it's always the same experience. And PvP char actually can talk with NPCs using mentats, and all "PvP apes" have proficiency of those.
--- Quote from: Eternauta on September 23, 2011, 03:52:57 PM ---More of your good old "2238 sux, Requiem's da shit"? Just leave 2238 once for all if the other sever is so awesome.
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Honestly, if you could run in combat, maybe I would do it. But 2238 have far greater potential, unexploited. That's why we want to improve it, basing on good things from other servers.
--- Quote from: Eternauta on September 23, 2011, 03:52:57 PM ---Obviously the best way to boost RP is to give factions something so they feel proud of their virtual penis... And I remember that Requiem feature: it inspired you for a suggestion which was basically "I've been playing this game for two years I WANT EPIC BASE NAO".
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Mmmh, yes, giving reward for RP is actually a good way to create more RP, especially if these rewards allow more RP by themselves.
--- Quote from: Eternauta on September 23, 2011, 03:52:57 PM ---Funny enough, I saw a PC dog in NCR (in 2238) the other night, and it came to smell me, etc. Also Lordus, since you've "tried RP" so much, you should know that it's not the player who has to recognize you, but the character, and Name Colourizing goes against that.
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Yeah, sometimes you can get skins on 2238. But not often enough (though it become better these days).
--- Quote from: Eternauta on September 23, 2011, 03:52:57 PM ---Excuse me pal, but "lol I'll make shared BA crafter" and "spawn in 3, 2, 1..." are not the only forms of team work.
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It's exactly what he is saying...
--- Quote from: Eternauta on September 23, 2011, 03:52:57 PM ---So please Lordus instead of doing you "ragequitting and coming back to whine on forum" cycle, just leave 2238 already if you hate it so much, and stay in your beloved Requiem.
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I am on 2238 since quite a long time, and never really quit. I love it. Doesn't mean I don't want to see it improved, and Lordus have quite good points there.
Eternauta:
Crazy, you are a dedicated PvP'er but I'm not sure the term "PvP ape" would fit you completely. But Lordus is a different case: just read his posts, his vision of the game is only about factions shooting each other. If you don't belong to one of those great PvP factions, he thinks your opinions are not important, etc.
And no, I don't think he meant the same about team work: he said solo players don't know about it while faction members do. And team work in factions is about making the best PvP build, getting moar gear for TC, etc... Factions do have team work but theirs is not the only kind that exists. It seems that Lordus thinks five pros in BA's and LSW are doing team work, but five newbies, who barely know each other but are hunting brahmins together, are not.
Lordus:
Eternauta, you are troll, arent you? It is only question, not statement! :)
1) Two logged char i need was because on one char, there was non stop running "writing script" with prewrited text, that was sended via raidio in his hand to some specific channel (2238, after that to 0). That means, that that char was unable to do anything else, because if i would do anything else (move by one hex or even move mouse cursor), it would not input the text into the Fonline 2238 client text line with .h function and broadcast would be ruined.
I did not needed any plugin, update, feature from developers, i created always by myself (even rewriting text of famous songs, wasteland news, infos for newbies, ...), later, Cpt. rookie help me with creating new "text script program", but still the requisition were the same.
So in fact, it took me a lot of time and only, ONLY one thing i needed was to not kick out my broadcasting char, while i was normaly playing with different one (like everyone does).
2) Trolling again, arent you?
3) Well, i have to tell you secret, but dont be shocked. Every PvP player has its own alts. Trader, crafter and other. And guess what! They have charisma and they do quests! And guess what! Cities are still empty. And guess what! No, rather dont...
4) Comparsion if two similars products is something bad in Argentina?
5) NC is cause of ghost towns. Even 1 year after NC removing. BIIIIIIG Monster Name Colourizing IS!
6) Team work? What about TTTLA and their Redding project? Elections, divisions of power (sheriff, leader, ...) rules. Is this 321 spawn for you?
7) 321 spawn is the reason why most of current fonline players still plays. Maybe you dont recognize it, Eter, but you are minority at this moment on 2238. You are like dinosaurs, near to extinction.
8) I only rage quit 2238, if i had to rage "love" my girlfriend! Try it, its tasty! :P
Eternauta:
No, I am not really a troll, I just find it funny that you keep posting on these forums if you think the game is so boring. Especially when you have other options, like Requiem which you like a lot.
Your radio thing demanded you to do all that? your problem, next time try doing something which doesn't "demand" cheating. Like WWP project for example: yes of course it was the product of great team work, not only from TTTLA but from all the factions which participated in there. If you read my posts you'd understand I do know factions have to rely on team work (to a certain limit, since every single member can have his own crafting alts, etc.) but my point is that not only big PvP factions are capable of adding to a RP project. Especially if those factions are only interested in battle - in that case we can expect them to act against RP, and we have seen this. But it seems you do hate "loners" because you are telling them not to post in your thread about PvP, etc...
About cities being empty even though players have alts and all that - like I said before, it's the players' problem if they are only willing to fight with a build that is useless for anything else.
I don't understand what you meant in that part where you mention my country. But it most probably doesn't add anything to this discussion.
As said, Name Colourizing is a metagaming tool and because of that it goes against roleplaying.
So, I am in a minority, so it automatically means my thoughts are not important. Interesting way of seeing things. Especially when I'm not the one posting about how boring the game is, how cooler Requiem is, etc.
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