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[Michaelh139]

Suggesting being, if someone is in the act of going through your pockets, (Actually looking) his/her name goes ,say, red (or orange) for the time of looking through your inventory, and in those moments, he/she is ungaurded.  Afterwards, unless he/she failed at a stealing attempt, is protected again and the namecolor reverts back to original.

[HertogJan]

Another suggestion to nerve steal and a new possible way to grief.
Go through someone's inventory. Wait till someone draws his gun and is about to shoot. Leave inventory.
Name reverts back to original colour at the same time the other guy shoots. Shooter gets killed by guards for killing a protected player. Sure the griever will fail regularly and will get shot from time to time while being unprotected. He'll succeed regularly too.
As usual the griever has nothing to lose except time.

[Evan]

I had the luck to see a pickpocket in action in a metro station. The victim had -no- chance at all to notice him. And I bet the one I saw didn't have 300% steal skill. 

About game mechanics... Move, don't stop with valuables on you, keep close to guards. Stealing is hard enough as it is now. If you are mad at a particular thief, bounty him, give him a shoot of jet, anything.

[Sheisserick]

...give him a shoot of jet, anything.

You cant drug others! Any drug with a negative effect, cant be thrusted upon others.

[LagMaster]

or just stay away from NCR, why you whant to stay there anyway?

i understand to visit it from time to time to see the GM abuses, or to meet the moast known wastelanders, but just go with an armor and nothing else, don't go in NCR with full loot

[avv]

It would be new form of abuse.

[HertogJan]

I had the luck to see a pickpocket in action in a metro station. The victim had -no- chance at all to notice him.

No luck needed to see such a thing. Go to NCR, Junktown, Hub or VC.
The victim had every chance to notice him unless he was afk or an npc. Thieves need to stand next to you and you see an animation which could be stealing.

[Evan]

Thought saying metro station will make it clear that I meant in real life.

[runboy93]

Hmm.. i smell something wrong on this suggestion.
It leads thieves to madness in no time and then we see 100% playtime suicide bombers and rage.

[Johnnybravo]

Though I cannot comment much from the thief POV, as the all theft I've done was trolling factionmates in bases. But I always used steal thing a lot. I think it's wrong already that you can use steal without any penalty or chance to be caught, things like hidden inventory trading make no sense with it, as you can just 'inspect' anyone you wish by just using the steal thing and all you get is cooldown.

I think fairly difficult skill check should be added when used, and make subsequent stealing easier. Usualy it's a little trickier to figure out where stuff is than to pick it up. It'd also make it possible to win over thief.

[Michaelh139]

It would be new form of abuse.

Care to explain?

I don't see how this is at all an abuse or any kind of greifing.  I honestly think you all have misinterpreted my suggestion, so i'll try to explain again.

Scenario:

You made the choice to use the "STEAL" Skill on another player.  Whether this was in order to steal from the victim or just to look through his belongings, you still using the "STEAL" skill on them, diliberately going through their pockets.

Thus, with this mechanic, you would be able to actually defend yourself from this thief, instead of just dealing with him shadowing you 24/7 at the shops.  Besides, they dont risk anything but a minute and 30 seconds of time (death timer and getting back)

So I honestly don't see how this is even remotely an abuseable feature. 

And I have experience with thief as well, I have a thief that stalks ncr as all thieves or use him to plant npcs with things.  I don't see how this would make my job any more difficult seeing as I dont risk, dont waste time, and only piss off the other player without giving a chance of retribution unless I "Randomly" fail.

[Johnnybravo]

You'd have to be able to deal with it non-violent way, like grabbing the thieving hand and call for a policeman to serve justice.
The abuse is in temporal character of the feature - and defender not having it under control. As they've already said, thief would close inventory immediately as he see you preparing to strike, and enjoying you getting killed because he can no longer be attacked without retribution.
If it was something like yelling help, using steal back on him or whatever to achieve effect of thief getting caught it'd work. But honestly that's what skill check is for.

[Michaelh139]

You'd have to be able to deal with it non-violent way, like grabbing the thieving hand and call for a policeman to serve justice.
The abuse is in temporal character of the feature - and defender not having it under control. As they've already said, thief would close inventory immediately as he see you preparing to strike, and enjoying you getting killed because he can no longer be attacked without retribution.
If it was something like yelling help, using steal back on him or whatever to achieve effect of thief getting caught it'd work. But honestly that's what skill check is for.

Oh ok I get it now.  Well that's kind of simply to solve though I am not entirely sure.

Make it where there is a 3 second timer after you close the inventory by that specific player only.
When the thief is attacked, within this timer, until his combat timer is over, he will remain unprotected (and with the Namecolorizing so you know when it ends)

[snailbeast]

just make stealer that failed shooted right when he failed.

[Grzesiu]

Again that topic about nerfing steal?
Nerf nubz to dont get so much stealed because they stand in one place and do nothing