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Gathering after wipe

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Surf:

--- Quote from: avv on August 02, 2011, 07:54:09 PM ---It's not fun to stop whatever you were doing and going mining every 20 mins. It's funnier to concentrate on one thing at a time and do it as effectively as possible.
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aka munchkining


--- Quote ---People want to have fun. To have fun, they need items because items have comprehensive qualities.
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Yes, because there is only one way to aquire items, right? Oh...
But you'll now will say that you want it as fast as possible! (instant gratification, autofellatio, as written above) Who cares about buying the armor from some other player (pff, one would need to interact with other people, disgusting!) when you can just cheat, use a proxy or w/e and do the same thing with your crafter alt, right?! After all, the poor players ofcourse are forced to cheat.


--- Quote --- Plus they have friends that need services and help aswell, so some puny game rules are nothing compared to the urge to achieve shared victory with a team.
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I don't want to know you people in real life if each "puny rule" is just smuggled around with cheap methods and cheating.


--- Quote ---Seriously, don't hit the messenger. People here are telling how everyday things are ingame, handing out protips helps nothing. If problems related to cooldowns aren't acknowledged, players sure as hell won't stop cheating just because they are told not to. Banning won't help, nothing else will except changing the system cheat-proof. If nothing is done, players will just shrug and continue like always.
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No one was handing out protips, I just showed you examples that not everyone is munchkining his way through the game to get everything as fast as possible ignoring the rules just because they don't like mechanic XY. Why even set up rules then? Would you appreciate if a GM would pop up in a town, and set it to non-pvp "just for the lulz"? Would you understand when a dev shows up in your base and removes all the items there for some amibigious reasons? Wouldn't it be totally cool if all the team suddenly doesn't give a single shit about rules anymore? Since you don't seem to give much to rules, you probably won't care either, hm?


Look, I even agree with you all that the cooldowns are set a bit too high. I've never really had a problem with them since I had enough to do with my character, but I see where you are coming from. But they are needed for some parts as we saw in previous "seasons". If it would be me, I would just set every one of them to only half the time, or maybe just the 1/4 of it. But let's see how it will be after the wipe.

Wichura:

--- Quote from: Surf on August 02, 2011, 07:18:57 PM ---Oh the pity cheaters, they are "forced" to cheat.  :'(

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Even if not forced, people are encouraged to alting and cheating. It's simple - with fast relogs and mining alts you are able to mine a lot more stuff than with one character. That's the way it goes, people are like water - always are looking for the shortest and the easiest way to go through.

Jotisz:
Actually Wichura is quite right by cheating the game is easier and jailing or banning can't do much against it since the chance to get caught is small, still there are players who don't use fast relogs and dual logging not because they can't but because they don't want to. So far I didn't dual log why because I can manage without that too.
Getting items is easy and to have fun there is no need for plasma rifle and BA or CA mkII. Its easy to roll and even cooler with metal armor or combat leather jacket and as far as weapons go its possible to kill a fighter who wears a combat armor with a mauser, heh even with a pipe rifle if you go in turn based combat... but for serious fights the best is fn fall, rocket launchers and laser rifles all of these are easy to get.
Personally as I stated previously the removal of cooldowns would give a valid reason to camp the mines with mercs

--- Quote from: Jotisz on August 01, 2011, 06:06:43 PM ---Cooldowns have positive things too right now nobody can gather mercs at the mine and say they are there so I can mine safely but if cooldown is gone there is nothing to force a stop. Therefore a group of 10  can say that all we want is to mine and to not get killed we bring our mercs with us oh and its true we are from one faction but we have lower carry weight so we go in a group of 10. Though new system will change mercs still 10 player should be able bring a lot of mercs there if not they would bring 20 char or more...

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Senocular:

--- Quote from: Surf on August 02, 2011, 07:18:57 PM ---You can just do something different with your character until the previous cooldown is set to 0 again. But oh no! People want instant gratification, autofellatio all the time!

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Does watching videos on YouTube in the meantime counts?

avv:

--- Quote from: Surf on August 02, 2011, 08:13:37 PM ---Yes, because there is only one way to aquire items, right? Oh...
But you'll now will say that you want it as fast as possible! (instant gratification, autofellatio, as written above) Who cares about buying the armor from some other player (pff, one would need to interact with other people, disgusting!) when you can just cheat, use a proxy or w/e and do the same thing with your crafter alt, right?! After all, the poor players ofcourse are forced to cheat.
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Actually gangs and their members (who are also top providers of player interaction) are the top cheaters since they have to compete against other gangs or they get stomped in tc. So player interaction speeds up the desire to cheat.
And what comes to getting everythin asap, that's how it is. The game rewards those with lots of good items, characters and whatever property. It gives power over other players, or power to withstand the attempts of other players.


--- Quote ---I don't want to know you people in real life if each "puny rule" is just smuggled around with cheap methods and cheating.
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There are groups that do not cheat, but they are then stomped by the cheaters and might leave the game if nothing is done about it.


--- Quote ---No one was handing out protips, I just showed you examples that not everyone is munchkining his way through the game to get everything as fast as possible ignoring the rules just because they don't like mechanic XY.
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But it's not helping. Player's wont change their habits and goals if the game allows them to continue.


--- Quote ---Why even set up rules then? Would you appreciate if a GM would pop up in a town, and set it to non-pvp "just for the lulz"? Would you understand when a dev shows up in your base and removes all the items there for some amibigious reasons? Wouldn't it be totally cool if all the team suddenly doesn't give a single shit about rules anymore? Since you don't seem to give much to rules, you probably won't care either, hm?
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Rules only matter if they are monitored and criminals are punished.

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