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Lonelylurker:
If your only source of enjoyment in Fonline is in spoiling other peoples fun then you shouldn't playing at all. "I'm bored" is not an excuse to be a dick, it means you should go do something else.

Griefing is the poison that is killing this game, accountability is the antidote.

Senocular:

--- Quote from: Lonelylurker on July 31, 2011, 10:45:45 PM ---If your only source of enjoyment in Fonline is in spoiling other peoples fun then you shouldn't playing at all. "I'm bored" is not an excuse to be a dick, it means you should go do something else.

Griefing is the poison that is killing this game, accountability is the antidote.

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PvP isn't griefing, get over it. There is open battle system and everyone is allowed to kill whoever they want. Just because you die it doesn't mean it's griefing.

falloutdude:

--- Quote from: Lonelylurker on July 31, 2011, 10:45:45 PM ---
Griefing is the poison that is killing this game, accountability is the antidote.

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nooooo ... no updates/wipe is killing the game. accountabliity is the cure but guess what no wipe/updates
griefing happens in every game every day do thoses games die? answer is no if your still thinking about it.
griefing is part of game too it brings fun to many  people i love griefing and watching people get griefted. when i get griefted i just dont care what ever  ooo no i cant trade with trader  >:( but whats this theres traders all over the place ... no big deal.

rat has been trolling and such for a long time has game died no it was not. so dont think game is dieing because of trolling its slowly dieing becuase no updates and no wipe which is also why rat is trolling which all makes sense. when people are bored they troll which is the same for teens/kid when they dont have parks and things to do they do crime. bordom causes trouble.

Lonelylurker:

--- Quote from: Senocular on July 31, 2011, 11:44:00 PM ---PvP isn't griefing, get over it. There is open battle system and everyone is allowed to kill whoever they want. Just because you die it doesn't mean it's griefing.

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I never said PvP was griefing, Ambushing careless travelers in the wastes and gangs fighting over control of the unguarded towns is part of the game. Griefing is when you do something for the specific purpose of causing grief. (i.e. suicide bombing/bursting in guarded towns, blocking merchants with slaves/mercs, and most of the other crap that Rat was boasting about), and there is no good excuse for it.




--- Quote from: falloutdude on July 31, 2011, 11:46:19 PM --- dont think game is dieing because of trolling its slowly dieing becuase no updates and no wipe

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The lack of recent updates and the general lethargy of waiting for a wipe are hurting, no question, but that will pass when the next cycle starts. Griefing has been slowly killing the game for a long time now by driving away players, especially but not exclusively new ones.

RavenousRat:

--- Quote from: Lonelylurker on August 01, 2011, 04:27:34 AM ---ck of recent updates and the general lethargy of waiting for a wipe are hurting, no question, but that will pass when the next cycle starts. Griefing has been slowly killing the game for a long time now by driving away players, especially but not exclusively new ones.

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No, it was making and still making game less exploitable, more protected against future funbringers griefers, when this game will come out from beta, as you can see most "griefers" are reporting thier good deeds on forum, personally I do that only if noone is going to post about me for 2-3 days after I started "griefing", because when "griefer" does that thread, people read it and... well, nothing interesting happens, when a victim of "griefer" posts thread and people read it, a smile appears on thier faces, because this "griefing" is usually something really ridiculous and only that poor victim is raging, because taking everything too seriously. I'm sure everyone like to read such threads. If I did something "bad" and noone posted about me, it makes me sad and I have to report whatever I done. If there will be no "griefers", then other "griefers" can appear after some time and will do whatever "griefers" doing now, if gameplay won't allow to do it, then you won't see "griefing" anymore, to do that, devs need to know that "griefing", to know that "griefing" they need to see it, "griefers" showing it to them.
If someone will again ask "Why do they do it?", the answer is very easy: "Because it's fun."
Secondary bonus from it is that it gives opportunity to make this game better by knowing what to do to avoid future "griefing", if player A won't do that now, then player B could do that later, and someone like you would post a thread like that someday anyway, so sooner or later. Of couse Surf said that he can't have some mysterious "nice things" because of people like me, well that's bad for him, but I bet whatever those "nice things" mean, he can have them, if he'll do it properly avoiding whatever people like me can do to those "nice things".
About leaving players.
"He punched me in NCR while I was trading with Sha Enin and guards bursted us and killed everyone, I ragequitting, good bye."
Well, shit happens. If he wants to leave, let him leave, it's beta-test anyway.

Edit:
Forgot to type reason of the last.
For player: Well, shit happens. If he wants to leave, let him leave, it's beta-test anyway.
For devs: Guards shouldn't burst in public areas.

And that's just one of many examples.

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