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Adding "new" weapons vs improving old to insane amounts

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spears:
I took a reasonable pvp armour to be shooting at, not like i chose tesla.
Yes you can upgrade the gun to magneto which then has the same penetrating perk as the 223 already has (which i ignored for the last example)
Armour bypassing is a critical which is a balance issue in its own right not jsut a weapon balance one.
And finally i dont want the lvl 1 weapon to be the same it should be worse, which it is.

vedaras:

--- Quote from: spears on May 15, 2011, 09:25:27 PM ---I took a reasonable pvp armour to be shooting at, not like i chose tesla.
Yes you can upgrade the gun to magneto which then has the same penetrating perk as the 223 already has (which i ignored for the last example)
Armour bypassing is a critical which is a balance issue in its own right not jsut a weapon balance one.
And finally i dont want the lvl 1 weapon to be the same it should be worse, which it is.

--- End quote ---

Reasonable pvp armour is brotherhood armour, all others are used by bums only. Also you should not forget that many people have 2x toughness, while there are no perks giving resistance against laser weaponary. In same place i agree that 223 is still a better weapon, just by what amount. I think in here you dont seem to understand balance thing right. This is how i imagine situation balanced:
if Weapon usefulness is divided by the weapon cost is even with same equation of other weapon, then weapons are balanced. Now for example we would get something like this. Lets rate weapons from 1-100 where 100 is best. Lets rate 223 pistol 100 in here, since it is best in this situation. So laser pistol then is 80 (my opinion). Now lets check price: Laser pistol 220 caps, 223 pistol 2230 caps. I think its pretty clear now that these weapons are far from balanced, and they would be balanced if:

100 - 2230
80 - X

laser pistol would cost X caps which is 1784. And this is 5 times the price that it currently has.
But what i suggested in first place, was to make laser pistol as good as 220 caps worth weapon and add substitute like phaser with price of 1784 and being as good as current laser pistol. simple enough, fair and balanced.

Hector C:
I think you are vastly overestimating the power of the laser pistol:  I just shot someone in a leather jacket for 50 40 30 and 30 damage in the eyes.  If you were hit for 100 damage three times in a row you simply ran into unlucky variance.

Michaelh139:

--- Quote from: Hector C on May 15, 2011, 10:06:50 PM ---I think you are vastly overestimating the power of the laser pistol:  I just shot someone in a leather jacket for 50 40 30 and 30 damage in the eyes.  If you were hit for 100 damage three times in a row you simply ran into unlucky variance.

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sounds to me you're a fast shotter....  are you aiming to the eyes?  and what were the other effects other then damage?   everyone knows knockout = insta kill pretty much.

Hector C:
aiming to eyes, more crit (1), better crit, 6 luck.

edit: I hardly ever do 100+ damage even with magneto, even against armorless critters

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