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OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD
_Youkai_:
Two words:
File Burning.
Nice_Boat:
--- Quote from: Y0ssarian on May 04, 2011, 04:33:00 pm ---Lol? Where did you get that information? Wikipedia? Lol. Can I get some actual names of people or books, references ect.? Where do you find such interesting information? Citations, bro?
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Tanknet and Jane's Defence Guide. Feasible enough?
--- Quote from: Y0ssarian on May 04, 2011, 04:33:00 pm ---Also any smart tank commander (assuming they are unfortunate enough to be the proud owner of horrible Soviet armor) will not,
for one, order a hull down agianst superior tank/air forces. Until the late 80s most Soviet tanks did not have the hull down capability of it's NATO counterpart. Even at that the shitty slopped armor design was more or less an echo from past WW2 experiences when the Soviet prefered armor doctrine was basically "Lol outnumber spam kekekekek flank spam rush go" not suited to your "hull down" tactics where as an Abrams gunner can comfortabley load shells and fire at targets miles away accuractly while sipping Coffee.
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All tanks have hull down capability, it's situational and depends on the terrain and the presence of fortifications. Sloped armor is not a "shitty design" and is still being widely used as it increases relative armor thickness and increases the probability of a ricochet. Actually, every single 3rd generation MBT utilizes sloped armor as it's just a smart thing to do. Soviet tanks were far from being horrible. Abrams gunner doesn't load ammunition, it's a loader's job. Basically, the only thing you've said that is even remotely true is the fact that Soviet doctrine emphasized offensive action over defence, but that's pretty much obvious given the theatre of war they were expecting to face.
--- Quote from: Y0ssarian on May 04, 2011, 04:33:00 pm ---Also what moron(s) are telling you these lies? I've seen with my own eyes some old Shilka being destroyed by AP .50 cal ammunition. They destroyed the AA vehicle.
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A Shilka has weaker armor than a BMP. Actually, a BMP can feasibly be destroyed by .50 cal as well, just not from the front.
--- Quote from: Y0ssarian on May 04, 2011, 04:33:00 pm ---What more do you want? A dead crew? But I suppose someone like you cares little for life and wants the crew to suffer aswell. Just because DU is "superior" it warrants over human life? The families get to suffer too!
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A penetration is a penetration is a penetration is a penetration. No difference between Tungsten or DU. And yeah, HEAT is even worse when it comes to crew survivability. So? Weapons are designed to destroy targets, a kinetic sabot round that penetrates over 700mm of RHA is better than a kinetic sabot round that penetrates 550mm of RHA, that's all there is to it.
--- Quote from: Y0ssarian on May 04, 2011, 04:33:00 pm ---Or even yet, you'd make an air vehicle go and destroy the AA with it's 30mm cannon and watch in disbelief as the rounds magically bounced off due to superior HULL DOWN TACTICS LOL? Amirite? That's what you're basically saying. You really know very little.
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I don't know what you're disputing, but it certainly doesn't have anything to do with what I've written about the capabilities of tank and IFV armaments.
--- Quote from: Y0ssarian on May 04, 2011, 04:33:00 pm ---I almost lol'd when you said 30mm autocannons couldn't even destroy a BMP-1. You're a funny guy. You'd make great comedian in America. ^_____________^
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Care to quote? I've said something quite to the contrary.
Hendrix:
--- Quote from: Gorlak on May 02, 2011, 10:12:26 am ---Hah, can't help but laugh and smile at this.
You do realize that the whole thing is a load of bullshit right?
The person you think you know : no more than an actor.
How does somebody die, if they never existed in first place?
hm
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Word.
Hendrix:
This post is like Santa Claus is dead. OMG who cares ?
Eternauta:
A lot of people care, for example all the US people celebrating* (video from Jescri's post), and their president saying "We can do any bullshit we put our minds into - we got the moneh, the powah and we are the United States of America, fuck yeah."
*Also, have you noticed this?
Proud American doesn't realize he's not holding the flag the way he should to make it look correct from the camera point of view. But well, why would proud Americans care about relativism?
I don't understand how USA could be fighting for "balance". They decide who is terrorist and who is not, who is a tyrant and who is not, who is corrupt and who is not, who is a drug addict and who is not, who is a murderer and who is not, etc. In other words, they decide what is right and what is not, without caring about the culture, laws and independence of other countries. Sure, I too think what they do with/to women is not right in the Middle East. However 1) there are already women's movements which are independent from the USA, so no need to have the USA shooting around for that, and 2) they have a different culture, so who the fuck are the Americans anyway to say it's wrong and shoot because of that? The Middle East is not the only place where women are not treated right, you can find sexism in Western cultures as well, a different form of sexism, would that not make it ok for the Arabs to invade Western countries? USA just like to say "lol they is barbarians, it is our duty to keel".
The USA do have colonies, they are just called "unincorporated territories".
"Would you rather have another European world war?"
Heh, Europe is not the world, man! So you think it's better to have a war in the Middle East than in Europe so Arabs die instead of Europeans? Sounds almost like racism to me.
If the US police the world, who will police the US so they stop their atrocities? Like in Guantanamo to give an example. So the US gotta dictate who's a terrorist and who's not, while they kill and torture just because they are "being rough at keeping balance"? How can that be seen as balance?
Argentina (my country) and Latin America in general don't need USA to keep any bullshit "balance". Come on, people, get real, they just freak out when a country has a government that doesn't want to suck USA's dick.
It is a lie to say USA fights for balance instead of political and economic domination. Heck, even cultural (we are fucking tired of your cliche Hollywood films) and ideological (American Dream? Yeah right). It's even funny how they call themselves "Americans". Hello USA people! we are Americans too! This is different from this! Not all the continent belongs to you, no matter how much you'd like it!
"USA fighting for balance" is a complete bullshit. I am from Argentina, a country that has been taking shit from the USA for decades, like many others. Thanks to the USA, our economy was ruined (thank you for all the deidustrialization, unemployement and poverty!). A lot of Argentineans were killed or kidnapped, because, "zomg! there are commies in Argentina!", during our military dictatorships (but especially in the late 70's), which wanted to open my county's arms to USA domination. And they killed people because they were "evil subversives" when they were just people that decided to grab weapons because they could not do politics democratically. Why not? because if the left won the elections, the military would bring them down with a coup just like they had done six times before with other governments they didn't like. What was their excuse? just like Nice_boat said, "ZOMG USSR PUPPETS! lets shoot them and impose an ETERNAL FRIENDSHIP WITH THE US!" (but not in our Constituion, cause they didn't even care about the Constitution ;)) So thanks USA for "defending democracy"!
And nowadays Argentina, along with other Latin American countries, just wants independence and to make a solid alliance with our Latin neighbours, but guess what! USA has to be there calling our politicians corrupt and even drug addicts, or trying to show how "awesome and powerful" they are by not giving a fuck about local regulation and laws (trying to smuggle undeclared military equipment and drugs into my country) and even bitching about our "disturbing attitude" when we are just defending our laws.
What the fuck are we even doing to the USA!? We never bombed any American nice looking building, or anything. We don't cause any problem and just want to be left alone. So please, USA, get on your nice boats and sail back home.
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