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So much hate for PKers
JustGreat:
--- Quote from: Keldorn on April 24, 2011, 09:05:56 PM ---Decided to add more to the "circular argument".
Look at what happened with Ultima Online. It started with UPVP and the playerbase TANKED. It got so bad that the developers had to change it otherwise risk folding.
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One word: Clueless; UO failed because the developers constantly delayed updates and finally introduced Trammel, which split the playerbase. Also UO's PvP system was/is vastly superior to what we have in FO (no PvP system).
Trokanis:
Point set match. "No PvP system." We just have a bunch of lulz camping bored people, who abuse others. TC itself isn't the problem we're discussing. TC (it's current mechanic issues aside) is fine. It's the PvP everywhere ELSE that is the issue. Someone said have you played F1 and 2. Uh yeah probably more than most people sadly (thanks to only having a shitty comp back then.) And the ONLY time when you would get pick pocketed in town was by some stupid kid, and you know what if you didn't care about that shop anymore you could go to the person who then had all your stuff that was stolen, and BLOW HIS ASS AWAY!!! And unless you hit a drugged out citizen in the cross fire no one cared.
There was NO SUCH THING as full loot drop in F1 and 2, why?!!? Cause when you died you /reloaded and guess what your stuff was there. In the fallouts if you came across a person in the wastes you had a pretty damn good idea whether or not you needed to shoot them. In here, HA you can't even trust bluesuits.
I just for "lulz" started a new character and was gonna just play around trying out energy weapons again. I spawned near NCR, got the quest to talk to people in the Rawhide, and headed into the wastes. I DID NOT even make it to NCR before I got pulled into an encounter with 3 fully armed people, I can guess pretty lvled too, since I recognized the LSW graphic. And you know what they did to a lvl 1 character not even 5 mins in game. "BLAST, Replicating in --, Ha look at that(LOL /skull f*ck) Loading Screen." Wow now I'm further from NCR don't have the less than 10 caps I spawned with, or the empty water bag. Good game.
And you are still sitting here wondering why this game is dying more and more!?
The "HATE" isn't for pk's in ungaurded towns/mines/events, or the fights for TC, it's for the ones EVERYWHERE ELSE! What's even more sad, is Michaelh, (decent guy, but we've had our fights) is a Pk and HE can even see what's happening in game.
Keldorn:
--- Quote from: JustGreat ---One word: Clueless; UO failed because the developers constantly delayed updates and finally introduced Trammel, which split the playerbase. Also UO's PvP system was/is vastly superior to what we have in FO (no PvP system).
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Player dispersion was a primary factor in the downfall of UO. Like you said, Trammel was largely to blame. However, Trammel would not have been needed had the devs thought PVP through and developed a system where both sides can get what they want. Not so clueless actually. More common sense.
Sure the griefers get left out but who gives a shit about them anyways?
As Trokanis said, when we mention PVP, we are really mentioning griefing. UPVP tends to excacerbate the situation. Again, PVP can be handled much differently than how it is now.
Reginmund:
--- Quote from: Keldorn on April 24, 2011, 09:05:56 PM ---2. Trains in order to be efficient need to stop relying on world time. Is there even a ratio of real life time to in game time so folks can actually attempt to "time" a train? Lets not even go into the whole different time zones deal. If fixed, noobs will have the ability to safely arrive in towns so they can do quests and handle their business without running into the same chuckleheads as often as 4 or 5 times on the SAME DAMNED SQUARE.
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sorry to go off topic.
3seconds irl time is equivalent to a minute game world time and what do you mean trains need to stop relying on world time?
Keldorn:
I mean one could easily go to the station, click the take rain to X, and go there.
Anyone besides me think that actually timing a fucking train to real time is a bit in-efficient? That is I also have to account for international time zones as well?
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