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What can change the nature of a man?
Grommok:
Brain damage is a sort of pain.
I'll take to you an example from the world of music- Savatage' Streets - A Rock Opera, the story of D T Jesus, a drug dealer who becomes a rockstar, and then starts taking his own drugs, leading him to quit the world of music and get back to the streets. That is an immense pain, taking drugs, a blind pain that makes us unconscious of what we do, and blind to other kinds of pain, and the withdrawal, a terrible, terrible pain that can be erased only the blinding pain of drugs. Another change in D T life is when his best friend and manager, Tex, tryes to take him back, away from the pain of drugs. But that pain calls, and Sammy, drug lord, answers. He goes to D T house, claiming money from a debt of his drug consuming days. Sammy kills Tex when he tries to defend D T, and this leaves him in a total, worser pain, the worse he ever felt, because is from him, because is because he exists, that all that pain comes from. I will just quote one line of a song, St. Patrick's, where D T, in his madness, keeps himself wandering in the streets, and ends up in Saint Patrick's Cathedral.
--- Quote from: Savatage ---'Cause you take all the fame
But who'll accept the blame
For all the hurt
Down here on earth
Unnecessary pain
Surely you must care
Or are you only air
Built in our minds
When we're in binds
Never really there
--- End quote ---
He recieves no answer. I leave to you answer this question, for yourself.
jonny rust:
Still I feel like all of these things are within the nature of man and not a detour.
Our brains have been built via thousands of years of evolution and reflect each stage right down to the reptilian complex at it's base. Emotions and perceptions like greed and pain reflect chemical reactions relayed to our brain which then handles them accordingly.
Of course our brains all handle things slightly differently, some of us may even be pre-disposed to growing into psychopaths. The hallmark of a psychopath is a callous lack of guilt and morals. Surely this small minority is wired to perceive the world differently than the majority and so would that be considered an alteration in the nature of man in general? Another thing to keep in mind is that a psychopath has trouble functioning within society making him a candidate for extinction in a lineal sense.
On the other side of the page someone who has behaved consistently their whole life may have a stroke, altering there behavior completely for the rest of their lives. Sure the stroke may have hurt when it happened but its not the memory of that pain that has changed the person so drastically, its the damage to the facilities they once used but no longer have access to and they may no longer be able to feel emotions as the rest of us do.
Of course things like pain, greed, knowledge etc. may all change the way we behave from day to day, but those are all things that the mass majority of us seem to be able to feel, adopt and adapt to, and, at the end of the day as a species if we cannot adapt to something and be altered by it effectively then Darwin's ghost will take us. Perhaps if the nature of man cannot be flexible and adapt to multiple stimuli (and not just one) then we are not nearly as evolved as we may think.
Grommok:
You know that traumas tend to be easier to remember that anything else? This might seem totally off-topic, but it's not.
Pain is a trauma, if enough strong (of course i never talked of the pain like when a rock falls on your feet, but a much greater, both mental and physical). This means that pain, or to be more precise, the memory of a pain, a particular pain (mostly mental, even if physical one isnt escluded) can remain in your mind so brightly that you cannot behave in the same way.
On the other hand, the brain (or our mind, to be more precise. The brain is just the physical shell of our mind, our physical shield) might, especially in a young stage of growth, erase, no, block a memory, until someday, for a strange twist of fate or for a particular event to happen, this memory is called back, brutally, most of the time bringing to an altered vision of events for some time, in the worst of the cases resulting in insanity.
Some times the brain/mind tries to block them, but cannot totally do it, leading you to think something in a way or another, for a trauma that you cannot recall, but that is.
In conclusion, i still think that Pain, or better, after reflecting about it for a small time, Traumas are the only thing that can change the nature not only of a man, but of any living being.
Nexxos:
What can change the nature of a man? Better question would be: "What can *not* change the nature of a man?", since minds are mostly individual, and interpretet things differently.
The question: "What can change the nature of a man" itself is a bit strange also, since it really doesn't ask about "what will... etc", but more like different doors for different people.
There is no right or wrong answer to the actual question, as it was pointed out earlier. The thing that makes it so... unique is the force and confusion which you are put under when asked, possibly making it "harder" to answer.
But the answer to the big question is quite simple. What can change the nature of a man? Everything can change it, or possibly nothing can.
falloutdude:
the murder/death of the women he loves can change the nature of a man big time. without the women he loves he is a empty shell with no feelings he will do anything without a thought.
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