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--- Quote from: author Onion ---OMG this argument was used for overall picture of killing noobs for fun, not fot looting nuka cola.
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I'm still right though, and you used Nuka-Cola as an example so I told you what was wrong with your example. A lot of people player-kill for sportsmanship, paranoia and many other things. You can't insult them for it by calling them dumb. If they are given the right to kill people, why not use it? Next thing you know people will ask for areas safe from pvp.


--- Quote from: author Onion ---Anyway... about tutorial. Fallout 2 had Temple of Trails and whole Arroyo quests. If something like this could be implemented (with option to skip of course) it'll be great for newbies.
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Fallout 2 was a single-player game, there is no guarantee a temple of trials would work in FOnline. People would still door block doors and piss people off unless they made it a different place for every new character - which would require hundreds of extra maps/map numbers - which would probably overload the server with that many maps being generated. And if they did that it would take out the feel of it being an online game and not really prepare you for any of the experience past it. Maybe they can stop player-killing in an area like this, but there are so many other ways to grief people.

Wasteland is harsh, and if you need a tutorial to start you will never get anywhere in the real game. This idea is hopeless, try Fallout 2 on hard, there's your tutorial for FOnline (without the online, of course). The thing that makes FOnline different from other MMORPGs is that it's brutal and ruthless, some people appreciate that unique aspect and some cry for starter towns and free noob weapons.

Onion:
The difficulty of FOnline is very good feature - I like it because it so different from other MMOs and it give Fallout feeling. But from the other side - i will be nowhere without help from my friends - game is really hard for new player without someone to guide them. And you cannot blame them for not reading forum/manual. If new player start in NCR it's quite good - there are many players. But if he starts in one of northern cities? Bullet in head is common :) From the other hand starting in Boneyard is quite boring - no one in vincinity, no quests, no guides.

And of course the problems like this will be more frequent : http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?board=20.0

I dont want to be pessimistic ut with attitude like today there will be less and less new players. And then we will be playing in the same group all the time

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--- Quote from: Onion on January 26, 2010, 01:24:23 pm ---i will be nowhere without help from my friends
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That's the point, it is an online game so you have to work with others. This game isn't being made to play alone. Make friends with the FOnline community, join a gang, encourage your friends to play, etc. It isn't as hard when you have the initiative to do that.

--- Quote from: Onion ---From the other hand starting in Boneyard is quite boring - no one in vincinity, no quests, no guides.
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That's because this game is Beta, there is a lot more to be added before the final release.

I am strongly against this starter town idea.

Onion:

--- Quote ---That's the point, it is an online game so you have to work with others. This game isn't being made to play alone. Make friends with the FOnline community, join a gang, encourage your friends to play, etc. It isn't as hard when you have the initiative to do that.
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And the first rule of Wasteland? Don't trust anyone. Little paradox ;) But I got your point. However I still think that new players should have little easier start.


--- Quote ---That's because this game is Beta, there is a lot more to be added before the final release.
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I know it's beta version and I hope the devs will make many upgrades to project. Yeah and I know they don't have much time right know because they're fighting with bugs etc.

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--- Quote from: Onion on January 26, 2010, 01:51:21 pm ---And the first rule of Wasteland? Don't trust anyone.
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That's more of a metaphor than a serious "rule". If nobody trusted anyone in the whole Wasteland - there would be no gangs, groups, anything.

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