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[ltfrankie]

Okay, so I'm thinking of becoming a SG gunsmith and SG user (likely assault rifles).

Are these stats and tagged skills good for now?

ST: 5
PE: 6
EN: 6
CH: 1
IN: 8
AG: 8
LK: 6

Tagged: Outdoorsman, Repair, Small Guns

What perks should I get?

[Eternauta]

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If you are using Assault Rifles or FN FALs AND you do not worry about low Charisma, I recommend:

S 5
P 6
E 8
C 1
I 6
A 8
L 6

Traits: Fast Shot, Good Natured

Skills: Small Guns, First Aid, Outdoorsman

Perks:
3: Awareness/Toughness
6: Awareness/ Toughness
9: Awareness/Toughness
12: Lifegiver
15: Lifegiver
18: Bonus Rate of Fire
21: Action Boy

Note:
-good warrior, but won't be able to trade with all merchants because of Cha 1.

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This is a good build if you don't mind using SMGs instead of Assault Rifles or FN FALs

S 03
P 06
E 08
C 03
I 06
A 08
L 06

Traits: One Hander, Good Natured

Tags: Small Guns, First Aid, Outdoorsman.

Perks:
3: Awareness/Toughness
6: Awareness/ Toughness
9: Awareness/Toughness
12: Lifegiver
15: Lifegiver
18: Bonus Rate of Fire
21: Action Boy

Notes:
-Since you got 3 Cha you can trade with all merchants
-You can get the Small Guns boost from the Gunrunner guard (but to get this you should go while you are still Level 1, since you need your Small Guns skill to be below 50% to get the boost.
-SMGs need 4 Str to use properly, but with One Hander you don't have to worry about that.

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Another SMG user:

S 04
P 06
E 10
C 01
I 06
A 08
L 06

Traits: One Hander, Small Frame

Tags: Small Guns, First Aid, Outdoorsman.

Perks:
3: Awareness/Toughness
6: Awareness/ Toughness
9: Awareness/Toughness
12: Lifegiver
15: Lifegiver
18: Bonus Rate of Fire
21: Action Boy

Notes:
-This one can't trade with all merchants (Cha 1)
-Will use SMGs even better because of the Str of 4 with One Hander bonus.
-Has 10 AND 2xLifegiver, which means a lot of hit points.

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If you want to actually use Assault Rifle/FN FAL and at the same time have 3 Cha to trade with all merchants, you can use:

S 03
P 06
E 08
C 03
I 06
A 08
L 06

Traits: Fast Shot, Good Natured

Perks:
3: Awareness/Toughness
6: Awareness/ Toughness
9: Awareness/Toughness
12: Lifegiver/Weapon Handling
15: Lifegiver/Weapon Handling
18: Bonus Rate of Fire/Weapon Handling
21: Action Boy/Weapon Handling

Notes:
-As I said, with 3 Cha this guy can trade with any merchant
-With 3 Cha and Good Natured, this guy can get the Small Guns boost from the Gunrunner too (remember, go talk to him before you get to level 2)
-Taking Weapon Handling means you GOT TO sacrifice Action boy, Bonus Rate of Fire, or one Lifegiver. That's why I wouldn't use this build... Anyway I would personally sacrifice Action Boy.
-You need to take Weapon Handling to use Assault Rifle/FN FAL, as these weapons requite a Str of 5.
-No matter how important Weapon Handling is for you, you should always choose Lifegiver at level 12 (and 15 if you are getting two levels of this perk), as this will give you more hit points than taking the same perk at a higher level.

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S 02
P 06
E 08
C 03
I 06
A 10
L 06

Traits: Fast Shot, Small Frame / Good Natured, Small Frame

Perks:
3: Awareness/Toughness
6: Awareness/ Toughness
9: Awareness/Toughness
12: Lifegiver/Weapon Handling
15: Lifegiver/Weapon Handling
18: Bonus Rate of Fire/Weapon Handling
21: Action Boy/Weapon Handling

Notes:
-Same as 4, but with 10 Agi for MOAR action points.

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S 02
P 06
E 10
C 03
I 06
A 08
L 06

Traits: Fast Shot, Small Frame / Good Natured, Small Frame

Perks:
3: Awareness/Toughness
6: Awareness/ Toughness
9: Awareness/Toughness
12: Lifegiver/Weapon Handling
15: Lifegiver/Weapon Handling
18: Bonus Rate of Fire/Weapon Handling
21: Action Boy/Weapon Handling

Notes:
-Same as 4, but with 10 End for MOAR hit points.

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S 02
P 06
E 08
C 03
I 08
A 08
L 06

Traits: Fast Shot, Small Frame / Good Natured, Small Frame

Perks:
3: Awareness/Toughness
6: Awareness/ Toughness
9: Awareness/Toughness
12: Lifegiver/Weapon Handling
15: Lifegiver/Weapon Handling
18: Bonus Rate of Fire/Weapon Handling
21: Action Boy/Weapon Handling

Notes:
-Same as 4, but with 8 Int for MOAR skill points.
-This is probably the worst Weapon Handling build.

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S 02
P 06
E 10
C 01
I 06
A 10
L 06

Traits: Fast Shot, Small Frame

Perks:
3: Awareness/Toughness
6: Awareness/ Toughness
9: Awareness/Toughness
12: Lifegiver/Weapon Handling
15: Lifegiver/Weapon Handling
18: Bonus Rate of Fire/Weapon Handling
21: Action Boy/Weapon Handling

Notes:
-You'll sacrifice Carry Weight (just like all the low Str ones), but will get a lot of hit points and action points.
-Low Cha, you already know what this means.
-Probably the most useful if you are in a gang, and in PvP.

[ltfrankie]

Thanks for the advice, but those don't seem to help me since I want to be a SG user AND SG crafter. Primarily a crafter atleast later on, but yeah.

[HertogJan]

Not sure what you're demanding from a SG user and crafter build, but Eternauta posted a few useful ones.

You should be more specific, like do you want to be able to trade with all traders?
You should also decide whether or not you really want to use an assault rifle.
Personally when using an assault rifle I would like a build that can do 2 bursts per turn, either with or without drugs.
As your build will be mostly a crafter in the end, I think it shouldn't be using drugs.

[ltfrankie]

Well, wouldn't I need perks concerning crafting?

I'd generally prefer to be able to use a long gun.

I assume the game the game would be very, very hard to not be able to talk to ANY trader, since I don't intend on having multiple characters.

[runboy93]

This is my default build (SG,Crafter)

ST 6
PE 7
EN 6
CH 3
IN 7
AG 10
LK 1

[Eternauta]

This is my default build (SG,Crafter)

ST 6
PE 7
EN 6
CH 3
IN 7
AG 10
LK 1

No Small Guns user needs more than 5 STR. And with Luck 1 you can't get thoughness.

[runboy93]

And what for Crafter needs toughness?
Toughness is mean to be more like fighters and how like be in battles.

[Eternauta]

And what for Crafter needs toughness?
Toughness is mean to be more like fighters and how like be in battles.

Small Guns crafter AND user.

[Fridge_Man]

Frankie, there a traders that will talk to 1 charisma chars too, for example gordons gas station, the 2 chinese traders in frisco,
some traders at boneyard, all traders at gecko, Bonnie and the "skum pitt" bartender in junktown... and so on

I am very happy with my SG crafter/burster build i use this season, it looks like this:

4 ST
6 PE
8 EN
1 CH
6 INT
10 AG
6 LK

Traits i took fast shot and small frame, perks toughness and livegiver, bonus ranged damage 2 times and bonus rate of fire.
Other perks you can choose free, i would suggest 2x Action boy or 2x more crits, but its possible to get one ratpack for example,
 to make him an even better crafter/miner and drop some combat ability.

I skilled sg to 161, FA and doc to 60, Science to 100 to make HQ alloys, OD to 80 and repair to 120. You could drop some FA and doc here
and add more points to repair if you want to repair everything yourself.

To get the SG profession lv 3 you will need a mentat and a buffout to boost your stats when you talk to the trainer.
But you dont need to boost them again to craft sg3 stuff later, only needed to get the profession.

This char is a real crafter badass, as he can shoot up to 6 single shots per turn with the P90c, or burst 3 times (on lv21 with 2xaction boy perk option)
With this char you can hunt down every group easily on your own, except enclave and brotherhood maybe
You will be able to defend yourself pretty good during mine trips with a cheap smg, and you can craft and repair the stuff you need yourself.