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Thief Alarm

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HertogJan:

--- Quote from: Nyarla on November 19, 2010, 03:13:27 AM ---also another features that suck:

1- when a thief tries to steal from you and fails, you kill him, but he comes back about 2 minutes later with 10 hp and tries to steal from you as if nothing has happened. you must be able to kill him on sight for about one real day or something even if he doesnt try to steal from you again.

2- in junktown thieves know that you cant kill them even if they fail, because you cant take your weapon to your active hand. so, when a thief fails in junktown, the guards must kill him. i mean if someone tried to steal from a customer in my store, i would beat the shit out of him and wouldn't let him in again.

please correct me if i am wrong about this feaures

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1. It was said by a dev they aren't supposed to come back protected. I think 1 real time hour is fair.
2. During this cycle I shot a thief in Junktown just outside the building where you can find Boyce and the workbench. I didn't get shot. Than again, it only costed me 1 shot to kill the thief who was still inside. After shooting I immediately removed the gun from my active shot. No comments from guards though.
The thief that's stealing from your customers might actually be one of your best customers. I have a thief account which I also use for trading. I might steal in a shop to trade with the shopkeeper afterwards.


--- Quote from: Kirkor on November 19, 2010, 03:02:50 PM ---Thats what I was trying to say on other topics: Thieves are purely annoying, coz they come back after 2 minutes and you cant do a shit to them. You can only hope they will fail on stealing (and ofcourse if you manage to see that fail) and then you can kill them. So they come back after 2 minutes and the 'fun' is continued.
And usualy they manage to steal stuff before spotted...

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As I said in another thread, it was said by a dev they aren't supposed to come back protected.
It will probably be fixed at some point.
I assume you mean before spotted by guards. Players who spot thieves too late deserve to be stolen from.
Thieves are easily recognizable by their behavior.

Nyarla:

--- Quote from: HertogJan on November 19, 2010, 03:22:57 PM ---The thief that's stealing from your customers might actually be one of your best customers. I have a thief account which I also use for trading. I might steal in a shop to trade with the shopkeeper afterwards.

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but it is also the reason why the man whom you steal from is in that store: to trade. that makes them a better customer than the thief i think. i mean a shop owner who tolaretes the thieves and lets them steal in his shop may lose customers (i am talking about the real world) he may buy stolen goods as well, but letting someone steal from his customers in front of his eyes? i don't think anyone would tolerate that.

DrapiChrust:
The thieves are an annoyance, yes. I'm not sure if the suggestion would change anything though.
I would like to see sth like this:
In the cities, when you shoout "THIEF" or "THIEF!" the game checks if anybody had pickpocketing you during the last 15 (?) seconds. If somebody had, that person gets wasted by the guards.* If not, you loose 1 point of karma in that city.** If you shout too many times running, guards shoot you saiyng "Shut the fuck up!"**

*this is to solve the idiotic situation when you are PERFECTLY AWARE that somebody is stealing from you, yet you can do nothing.
** this is to prevent people from abusing this feature and thus become 'unpickpocketable' by shouting that phrase all the time.

LagMaster:
even whit the problem resolved, the guards will loot the theif and you can'ttake your stuff back, this is the moast annoyng part in guarded towns, you lose shit, you kill theif, your goods are lost for good to a stupid police man that never return your shit

F**K NCR

HertogJan:

--- Quote from: Nyarla on November 19, 2010, 06:13:26 PM ---but it is also the reason why the man whom you steal from is in that store: to trade. that makes them a better customer than the thief i think. i mean a shop owner who tolaretes the thieves and lets them steal in his shop may lose customers (i am talking about the real world) he may buy stolen goods as well, but letting someone steal from his customers in front of his eyes? i don't think anyone would tolerate that.

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Still the thief might be a regular customer doing a lot of trading with the shopkeeper.
All shopowners in the game care about is themselves.



--- Quote from: DrapiChrust on November 19, 2010, 08:38:23 PM ---The thieves are an annoyance, yes. I'm not sure if the suggestion would change anything though.
I would like to see sth like this:
In the cities, when you shoout "THIEF" or "THIEF!" the game checks if anybody had pickpocketing you during the last 15 (?) seconds. If somebody had, that person gets wasted by the guards.* If not, you loose 1 point of karma in that city.** If you shout too many times running, guards shoot you saiyng "Shut the fuck up!"**

*this is to solve the idiotic situation when you are PERFECTLY AWARE that somebody is stealing from you, yet you can do nothing.
** this is to prevent people from abusing this feature and thus become 'unpickpocketable' by shouting that phrase all the time.

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There are a whole lot more annoying things in game.
All that that thief shouting will result to is the game chat being full of people shouting thieves.
Your solution for that won't fix this as will it not do anything about thieving.
I simply steal from you and my buddy bursts you.
You can't shout thief, my buddy dies with his high deterioration encounter weapon and I live to take that back and/or take the rest of your stuff.



--- Quote from: LagMaster on November 20, 2010, 09:01:32 AM ---even whit the problem resolved, the guards will loot the theif and you can'ttake your stuff back, this is the moast annoyng part in guarded towns, you lose shit, you kill theif, your goods are lost for good to a stupid police man that never return your shit

F**K NCR

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Guards can't know what was stolen and from whom and what wasn't stolen.


I really don't get all the complaints about thieving, most likely from people who never played as 1.
It is so easy to avoid thieves as they are easily recognizable by their behavior.
I trade regularly with several alts in several towns and never get stolen from, no matter if thieves are around or not.
They way thieves move, standing around a trader not talking, running to the spot next or behind you, etc. gives them away very easily.
Hang around the trader you want to trade with and you can easily identify them.
It's no difference from avoiding taggers camping near the exit grid.

IMO the only real problem with thieving is the animation being the same as FA, switching inventory, etc.
hat helps thieves to harass their potential victims in such a way it's impossible to trade.
TI do have a thief account, but believe we should have a unique steal animation. Preferably combined with a 2nd stealing cooldown which prevents a thief from stealing from the same victim for the next 5 minutes. That cooldown could be visible for both the thief and his victim.

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