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[Izual]

We all know the problem right now about the Town Control, that is bugged and makes the cities belonging forever to their own teams.
There is another problem, which is the bank interest - a system that multiplicates your caps every now and then, the bigger caps you have, the bigger you'll get - pretty cool... For biggest gangs.

So right now, factions that own a town (Rogues, VSB, Chosen Soldiers) are earning hundreds of thousands of caps without taking any risk (though I'm not blaming them, none of them provoked the bug) and they can put this money in banks, etc; which means the game economy is... Torn apart?

It's not a secret that all of these big gangs are having limitless amount of combat armors and caps. Damn bank interests and town control rewards!

Anyway, it just smashes the whole game. Player-driven traders? What is the interest, when the biggest gangs can buy everything you sell at any price? Fights? No interest at all when your opponent as unlimited stuff.
Right now small gangs in PvP are taking a risk, others don't. Enough said. That's why I suggest (I SUGGEST lads, I'm not announcing anything, though it won't prevent flame ) an item wipe (That wipes everything except characters, or something like that. It already happened in the past.).

you guys still dont get something..
we made few milions of caps afer 2weeks of playing after wipe and to be honest we really dont need more. becouse we mulitply this money many of times

"Ok so infinite amount of caps for Rogues"

we already reached that level some times ago..

And not only them.

For the sake of this session that will soon be as interesting as a god mode for part of the server - item wipe and removal of bank interests rates!

 

[Wipe]

Not only gangs play this game, remember? Make all loners/people playing with 2 or 3 friends/smaller gangs suffer cos of gangs? Ridiculous. Bugs happens, you should know that very well...

[Izual]

When the economy is torn apart, everyone is affected, even loners. I'm not playing in a big gang, so I don't care myself about the huge battles. But the fact that there are a lot of caps everywhere makes fights unfair, crafting useless and trades worthless. This affects everyone.

[Lordus]

 
 Lets do it like in Czechoslovakia in early 60ties..

 Make money reform. Replace current Caps money with Fallout 2 money (i dont know how they were named).

 Only money at bank accounts will be replaced. Only ammount to 10k will be replaced in ratio 1:1, from 10k to 50k in ratio 1:10, from 50k to 100k 1:25. More money will not be replaced.

 Dont forget big gangs will be prepared for this and they will create many bank accounts.

 And Also, disable money income from TC (drugs and resources are enough). Better cities (BH, Red, Den) should generate resources (hq ores, uranium ores, meat jerky, chem comp,..)  that could be crafted to more valuable items.  ¨

 If your money reform should be succesfull, you have to:

 1) hold it in secret. Even day before tell to everyone that there will not be any reform
 2) temporary disable possibilitiy of creating of new accounts in bank
 3) temporary disable refilling of new items in NPC traders merchants

 I know that this is problem to implement, but if you implement this changes into next era, that you could make this by one simple update, it will make longer life of each era gameplay

[Bantz]

If the item wipe should be done, the idea of money reform is awsome.

[Keldorn]

I am not in a big gang.  I don't rob/pk people.  So why should MY hard earned caps get wiped, ESPECIALLY, because of a broken system the DEVS came up with (item control through ridiculous cooldowns yet no such thing as PK/Robber cooldown?  So when people screw up/servers screw up/etc, its a beta so suck it up but this one bug happens, big gangs whine, so all of a sudden we are getting a wipe?

Right now certain gang/s have EVEN MORE shit than they already have.  Does it make it toughrer for other big gangs to compete?  Well suck it up, wasteland is harsh.  Loners/small groups have to compete with big gangs, its the same thing.

How about if gangs feel like they got too much shit they stop fucking people over/raiding hmm?  Maybe they should give shit away?

People are tired of fighting because shit is boring.  How many CLJ, MAMK2, BA fights have we seen?  Where the hell is the good shit like the Power Armor, Gauss Rifles, Pulse Rifles, etc?  Sitting in bases because people won't risk it because of almighty FLD (if there is any).  Want to give people a way to show off their hard earned badass loot, disable FLD in GUARDED cities so they can brag all they want.  Want to spice up TC?  Maybe implement objective based TC like holding certain parts of a town for certain periods of time?  I really can't think of a way to encourage people to use rare/T4 weapons besides getting rid of FLD (or even better just allow them in Hinkley).

The devs made this game a one trick pony when they made things like FLD/PVP a top priority.  I mean if you pk/ambush people all day you are going to get a lot more shit then folks who rely on crafting.  

Big gangs will ALWAYS have more shit than small gangs/loners, its just the nature of being able to kill/rob more people.  Gangs who prefer to shoot first and not ask questions will get even more shit cause they are more likely to win fights (and more loot).  It is stupid to punish little folks because of either a bug (again server problem, its a free beta, suck it up), even worse for the wrong reasons.

If a wipe is going to happen, do it because your going to implement cool new changes (for example making crafting different from pvp/SPECIAL, or lets say lowering or removing cooldowns), instead of OMGZ gangs have too much stuff (tagain they always have too much stuff).

[jan0s1k]

So just repair bug and make wipe ;p

[Doctor Eex]

Horrible suggestion. I do prefer REAL wipe.
I'm in very small gang. And we managed to earn some cash and put it in the bank.
I don't want to lose everything because Izual got bored in the middle of this session.
It will make all the game from wipe pointless.
What you call "a reform" is thievery in governmental  scale.
If tired of your bank account, just pick a random account number and transfer to it. Make some noob happy.
Or pick noob in ncr and give him 1000000 caps in cash

If somebody got bored - just start new char, NOT USING RESOURSES (money, base, loot) from previous chars

[Keldorn]

Horrible suggestion. I do prefer REAL wipe.
I'm in very small gang. And we managed to earn some cash and put it in the bank.
I don't want to lose everything because Izual got bored in the middle of this session.
It will make all the game from wipe pointless.
What you call "a reform" is thievery in governmental  scale.
If tired of your bank account, just pick a random account number and transfer to it. Make some noob happy.
Or pick noob in ncr and give him 1000000 caps in cash

If somebody got bored - just start new char, NOT USING RESOURSES (money, base, loot) from previous chars

More like "We are hypocrites.  When average Joes get fucked over its DA WASTELANDZ IS DA HARSHZ STOP WHINING.  But when big gangs get fucked over because of a bug etc, its PLEASE FIX SUPER IMPORTANT".

[jan0s1k]

Eex: I mean too full wipe

[Doctor Eex]

jan0s1k, yes we need full wipe as soon as something worth fresh start implemented.

[Izual]

Ah, hatred You're 5 minutes late!

But when big gangs get fucked over because of a bug etc, its PLEASE FIX SUPER IMPORTANT".

Big gangs are not fucked over because of this bug. It's the opposite :>
Though discussion is interesting, this is why I made a thread and not just PMed devs with "I think there should be an item wipe...".

[Doctor Eex]

Beware people, he who's got all the power here

not just PMed devs with "I think there should be an item wipe..."

But, he's very kind letting us to bla bla for sometime. Very fat, Izual. I like it. 

[Izual]

You misunderstand my sentence My PMs to devs are as worth as yours, but if I felt I had the perfect suggestion, why would I bother to post it here and not PMing it directly to the ones that make the game?

[Doctor Eex]

Seems it not THE PERFECT SUGGESTION.
Let people vote for that - results could be interesting