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[Stration]

If they don't know why or how they've been killed, they won't learn anything. (...) Maybe they don't even see icons above their heads (...) You're playing with the same full-of-flaws people that you meet in your life (...) They WILL feel humiliated and they WILL get angry not understanding what's going on and why they get constantly killed.

I think the main difference in our thinking is - You seem to expect every player to be hardcore-gamer or/and someone very bright when it comes to understanding computers, interfaces etc. Like casual players were something worse.

The main difference between us is that you have a patronizing, so as not to say condescending attitude towards other players/people whereas I treat them as equals. Until that changes, I see no way for us to come to an agreement here.

I can see your point, but you're incorrect.

You can do better that that, but okay - I'm gonna correct myself:

Anyway, I think I understand what you're trying to say, but It's still justifying yourself for doing a nasty, nasty things in my point of view.

You clearly didn't get my meaning, so allow me to elaborate on that particular point: I can understand why a person would think what you think, but, despite there being an indisputable rationale behind your way of thinking, you're incorrect in your interpretation of what I'm doing. In your previous post(s), you claim that I am merely trying to justify my evil-OH-SO-EVIL actions here, but the fact of the matter is that my deeds are actually good rather than evil, and hence I obviously need no justification for them whatsoever.

[JovankaB]

The main difference between us is that you have a patronizing, so as not to say condescending attitude towards other players/people whereas I treat them as equals.

LOL. That's a nice way to twist around the simple fact that you like to grief inexperienced players with weak chars...
You are egalitarian!

[TommyTheGun]

@Stration

Oh gosh, I could use so many radical examples of your "treating like an equal" looking really bad.

Yeah - I got your meaning very clearly. It's easier to think, you're doing the right thing, and you do what you do on purpouse. Mental gymnastics, that kind of stuff. I believe you believe youre doing the right thing. Surely enought it's not that easy to admit that you're ruining the game for the newbies just to make it easier for yourself.

All in all - the most important matter was - ruining the playerbase - nothing about that, eh?

[Reiniat]

All that useless gibberish only because i killed some newbs when i still was lvl1 with poles and molotovs, it wasnt even troll...
my opinion is simply:
If someone is so idiot to die that way, then he deserves to die, if he learns something from that then is nice, most of us didnt receive any help at the begin and we grew up good, really get killed with no stuff isnt that bad, get robbed, trolled in guarded cityes or insulted for ignorance is far more horrible...
Yes its possible to science to get stuff, i posted before of discover that, and now i have enough stuff, enough to just give it away and dont care for it, but it wont stop me from kill people (hell im lvl 6 and most of my victims have more HP)
SO IM NOT A N00B KIILLER FOR FUCK SAKE

[TommyTheGun]

You didn't make yourself clear at the begining and acted like a wise-ass proud of killing newbies so the discussion started. So don't you caps-lock g'old folks now, cause its rude as hell.

And if you tell me, that "we grew up good" and you mean by that people who try to convince me that killing begginers is a wonderfull idea, almost an act of God.. well... I would have to dissagree. So once again - you may need to clarify whats on your mnd, just so you won't get mad after another few posts.

I like that thread. It's entertaining!

[Mithguar]

Well for me helping a newbe is a good thing... At least at making a tent. If he has a tent... Well then he's on his own. He have safe spot to store stuff, if he let it get robbed then he deserved it...

[T-888]

So its clear to me that im not awesome, in my opinion many new players are just idiots and they are easy to cheat, murder, rape, etc.

You are not awesome and new players are idiots ?

Sometimes wonder why i even read this forum , i guess i'm just bored or wasting time.

The problem is it's to hard to recognize new players , so it means everyone can be a potential scout or a faction member that must be executed with no exceptions , if i actually recognize his nickname from let's say forum and i know he is new i usually don't shoot since it is illogical to do that then , especially now new players are just a waste of ammunition. About robbing , bahh ... there are more efficient and faster ways how to gain profit , it doesn't give me satisfaction to fool some new player , anyone can do that.

It's all very simple.

LOL. That's a nice way to twist around the simple fact that you like to grief inexperienced players with weak chars...
You are egalitarian!

I sense common sense and it's like " griefing " actually searching for low levels and new players , pathetic. As soon as encounters some problems run away like animals or die like ones , i disgust these kind of players. No guts , no glory. It's very satisfying to kill them and the most satisfaction is to actually fight against a strong enemy and win.

So basicly what i'm saying i don't understand some griefers in cities like NCR , come grief in north cities.

[Reiniat]

You didn't make yourself clear at the begining and acted like a wise-ass proud of killing newbies so the discussion started. So don't you caps-lock g'old folks now, cause its rude as hell.

And if you tell me, that "we grew up good" and you mean by that people who try to convince me that killing begginers is a wonderfull idea, almost an act of God.. well... I would have to dissagree. So once again - you may need to clarify whats on your mnd, just so you won't get mad after another few posts.

I like that thread. It's entertaining!

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So its clear to me that im not awesome, in my opinion many new players are just idiots and they are easy to cheat, murder, rape, etc.

You are not awesome and new players are idiots ?

YES, im sincerous, maybe more than anyone here 

[TommyTheGun]

Calling people you don't even know idiots, retards and morons has nothing to do with beeing sincere - that's for starters.

You COULD call them naive - that's closer, but still not it.

[Stration]

Oh gosh, I could use so many radical examples of your "treating like an equal" looking really bad.

Yet you decided not to use a single one? A wise decision, my child.

Surely enought it's not that easy to admit that you're ruining the game for the newbies just to make it easier for yourself.

We've been over this... twice.

All in all - the most important matter was - ruining the playerbase - nothing about that, eh?

I don't see how helping new players could be ruining the player base, but I'll try to address that point anyway. Do you really think that if a person gets killed a few times and immediately after that rage-quits, anything of value gets lost? Because I certainly don't. You see, in the world of online games it's survival of the fittest, and some people simply don't have what it takes to play them. Let them enjoy playing Tetris on their mobile phones, and just leave them alone.

[Andr3aZ]

somebody wanted to toast me with his flamer yesterday while i was tinkering the metal armors of some marauders together.
1hex bursted him for this. I feel guilty

But he took it with humour and we had a nice talk while he was lying there in his blood.

[runboy93]

somebody wanted to toast me with his flamer yesterday while i was tinkering the metal armors of some marauders together.
1hex bursted him for this. I feel guilty

But he took it with humour and we had a nice talk while he was lying there in his blood.

You feel guilty.. nah. That player who tried grill you deserved burst.

[Hects Hakal]

So...youre arguing about whats bad or good...well youre in the wastes guys and ANYTHING that help you to survive (even killing new-comers) should be seen as good. I dont say that killing noobs is something great but some wannabe-experts just do it because its the best they can do i feel sorry for these people

[Wichura]

somebody wanted to toast me with his flamer yesterday while i was tinkering the metal armors of some marauders together.
1hex bursted him for this. I feel guilty

I can feel your pain, brother. This yahoo with SMG attacked me, the peaceful woodsman, during wood chopping:

I had to defend myself, now I'm totally blacklisted!!111eleven

[JovankaB]

I can feel your pain, brother. This yahoo with SMG attacked me, the peaceful woodsman, during wood chopping:

I had to defend myself, now I'm totally blacklisted!!111eleven

"aaarghhh lag" - classic death sentence of failing wannabe pk

also possible sentences: "shit, didn't crit" (wannabe pk sniper), "lucky insta/lucky ko" (wannabe pk sniped)
"lol merc swarm" (any wannabe pk attacking slaver with slaves behind corner)