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[Lidae]

Dearest Aquare,

Thank you so much for suggesting the Amboy Tactical Tool to me, I am sure it will come in handy in the future.

It is evident that you are a busy man, speaking with many people here at once. I'm trying not to despair, yet I am compelled to point out that I feel one of my questions have been given insufficient attention from you. I understand things can easily slip great minds, however agile. To refresh your memory, here's what happened so far:

You posted a screenshot and asked a good question. I tried my best to answer this question, and I finished off with a question of my own. I believe I explained the situation regarding our number in New Reno, and I would be very intrigued to receive your feedback on the matter, in particular if there is any aspect of what happened that you disagree with or find distasteful, dishonest, rude or just plain wrong for any other reason. If it's not too much to ask, please enlighten me, so that I can do what is in my limited power to make the gaming experience more pleasant for all of us.

I do hope all is well with you.

Yours sincerely,

Lidae

[Aquare]

It is evident that you are a busy man, speaking with many people here at once. I'm trying not to despair, yet I am compelled to point out that I feel one of my questions have been given insufficient attention from you. I understand things can easily slip great minds, however agile.

I have not commented so far your post, as I am certain it doesn't concern the main topic.

First of all:

At this point I suppose one could stop and ask if, since we're after all 8 people online and ready, we shouldn't instead start a TC timer. The reason we didn't, or why nobody even suggested it, was that a fight in reno was more or less guaranteed, whereas you can never be sure that anyone will come if you start a TC timer. Thus we went with the "safe" option, providing the best chances for us to have some fun PvP.

The only man, that suggested what people with exact numbers should do is John Porno. Directly or indirectly - he did. I only asked, why he doesn't follow his own beliefs. I am convinced, that you can define it with some word, if only know it.

Please watch it, and if you have any complaints or arguments why this type of action should be disallowed in Reno, why they bother you so much, or if you have suggestions on how any of us can avoid them in the future or to make the playing experience better for all of us, I am all ears.

It does not bother me, it just attracts me in the context of John Porno's post (first one).

I would be very intrigued to receive your feedback on the matter, in particular if there is any aspect of what happened that you disagree with or find distasteful, dishonest, rude or just plain wrong for any other reason. If it's not too much to ask, please enlighten me, so that I can do what is in my limited power to make the gaming experience more pleasant for all of us.

It's not request board, despite topic has suggestive title. It's discussion (widely understood). What a shame, some are not able to realise it. 1st John Porno's post is lame joke or an example of writing without considering matter before. Nevertheless, it's much easier to write whatever you want and then aim at the closing the topic. I hope John Porno had the valid reason to "renew" issue, which the topic concerns.

[avv]

I wish we all gangs (at least the ones with numbers, so the smaller ones have a chance any.) would lean toward a low tier gear agreement in new reno.  I mean, all tier 3 gear everywhere in fallout like is for most part is ridiculous enough but jeese, can't have one place where you aren't raped by a guy in ba/avenger killing you in combat leather jacket and a 10mm smg.

With low tier gear, numbers won't matter quite as much, as death rate will be much smaller, and real tactic can be formed on how to win against enemy.

Not going to happen. It's the same thing as suggesting people not to make good builds.

[Lidae]

Dear Aquare,

Thank you for your swift reply, I am humbled and grateful that you have taken the time to clear things up for me, so that I may have a chance to understand what is going on.

I regret to tell you this, but I feel it is nevertheless my duty to confess that there are still words and sentences in this thread that despite my greatest efforts still fall beyond my comprehension. Allow me to elaborate.

Although I have joined in late in this discussion (great word to describe these written exchanges - thank you!), I was under the impression that you asked all who were reading a question, in connexion with the screenshot you posted, in which I am present (for clarity and reference, I am Formicidae). I see now that it must have been a so called rhetorical question: the kind that demands no answer, but rather aims to illuminate the absurdity of answering such a question in the first place. I hope you can forgive me for being so presumtuous, and not realising that it was, in fact, quite off topic to go into details of why in my understanding my friends and I were not attempting to "swarm" the streets of New Reno.

Of course no one asked for my opinion on the matter, but seeing as your beef here is with John Porno, whom I count as a friend and ally, may I perhaps be so bold as to suggest an alternative interpretation of his words, which I believe you have now quoted  eight times (an exotic yet surprisingly effective rhetorical strategy if I may say so, of course executed in a truly masterful way). Perhaps one could look at John's words as not so much of a suggestion of how other people should be playing the game, but rather as an attempt to illustrate the hypocrisy of saying that large teams should steer clear away from Reno and do TC instead, while at the same time frequently being present in large constellations quite equal in numbers to the ones that were previously condemned. Or to phrase it differently, to ask of others to avoid doing one thing, while at the same time doing it yourself.

Again, I am terribly sorry for having abused this thread as if it were some sort of request board - of course it is not! Please forgive my insolence, I will do my best to not let this atrocious mistake be repeated. I only hope that you know somewhere, deep inside, that it was not my intention, but merely my lack of foresight, that were the root cause of this.

Yours sincerely,

Lidae

[Sarakin]

@haters: Guess what, people can do in FOnline anything they want (as long it is not illegal) and you can either deal with it or complain on forum (and it seems you have chosen the second one)

[Aquare]

Sure, they can, but they cannot refuse other's right to assess their activities, can they? Discuss!
Yes, this board is for people who want to share their opinions. If you are not able to share yours (whatever is a reason), do not post. If you are, then you post. Third possibility: you're not able to share your opinions (or you do not have any), but you post anyway (and it seems you have chosen third).

[Sarakin]

Ive read enough threads to know, that you cant tell people what to do and what they cant do. Still new and new people (like you) try to persuade others what are they doing wrong and how should they play. Dont be surprised when this conversation will lead to nowhere

[Aquare]

Like said: "It's not request board, despite topic has suggestive title. It's discussion (widely understood). What a shame, some are not able to realise it."
I can propose, then persuade and comment. Convincing someone isn't the same what giving an order. Regardless this, I comment mostly, but I am afraid you cannot notice subtle difference. I am not surprised it leads nowhere, but it caused by people LIKE you (oh no, that phrase again and it sounds like an accusation!), who post nothing valuable at the same time pushing away essence on the sidetrack.
Also please read one more time, who renewed conversation, like you called it. Ask the author, who is the right person to give any explanations. For me, it was a signal the issue is also perceptible on the other side. Otherwise I do not catch why that post appeared here at all.
Considering:

Ive read enough threads to know, that you cant tell people what to do and what they cant do.

Never have done such a thing. Refer.

[avv]

Considering:Never have done such a thing. Refer.

Sure, they can, but they cannot refuse other's right to assess their activities, can they? Discuss!

Maybe you haven't done it but that's not what Sarakin meant. He meant in general: nobody can tell others how to play or question their ingame activities. Except when cheating or exploits are involved.
Sure you can suggest, propose, persuade and comment but it will just lead to "Deal with it" response or shrugging.

[T-888]

Proof? it's called an example, not like it will be only weapon.  Flamers (Improved flamers, fuel mk2.  Huge damage on armor below tier 3). and M60s exist. and they are not tier 3 are they? 
 Ok thats your opinion no need to bash on others over it.  besides, you can't exactly fight in TB in towns can ya?There's a reason SS's cause 9 damage to health over time, besides, you really think people are gonna bring tons of Super Stims over a leather jacket and 10mm smg or a leather armor and assault rifle?  Really dude?

Im the proof , i like to use the best available tech what's wrong about that ? I don't want to fight TB in towns , there's a reason for ordinary stimpacks and that SS heal 10 times more the damage than they do over time , fighting only low tech isn't viable you would have to balance the whole existing armor and weapon system otherwise the whole wasteland is gonna run around with lazer pistols , and yes people will bring huge amounts of SS at least as much as now or even more. So stop dreaming and being so naive.

[Aquare]

Sure, they can, but they cannot refuse other's right to assess their activities, can they? Discuss!

First, it doesn't concern the game itself and it was rather encouraging. Exclamation mark, doesn't mean it has to be a command.

nobody can tell others how to play or question their ingame activities.

I see what he means and never have done. I cannot see a problem. I will repeat: John Porno signaled there is something worth of writing about.

[John Porno]

now stop refering to me all the time, trying to figure out was I was saying.

You already said like 3 times that I started the whole thing but as far as I can see, you posted the screen, reviving the thread in the process.

Naive as you are you are not implying anything at all. And of course, that one screen doesnt have anything at all to do with anything that may have happened 30 seconds before or after it was taken. Needless to say, people will always take you word for word and never ask any questions, nor will their arguments be of any merit. Obviously it also doesn't matter if people present facts to you, there's no need at all to even consider facts in the first place, or generally take into account other peoples' opinions.

Yep.

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But it's all fine I guess, since we'll go even more off topic as Aquare keeps ignoring Lidae, probably because he's stating facts which do not compute with Aquares' opinion.

[Surf]

This thread is leading nowhere.
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