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Yes they need better guns

30 (76.9%)

No the guns are fine

9 (23.1%)

Total Members Voted: 39

[Lexx]

I'm not a combat expert, but wouldn't JHP have made more damage in this (unarmored) case?

[Solar]

Search the posts where I did more extensive tests than that one, in controlled circumstances.

Avenger is better

[None]

I'm not a combat expert, but wouldn't JHP have made more damage in this (unarmored) case?

Pff 40 AP bullets right into chest, even punch into an eye would hurt him moar.

[cannotspace]

Solar, i've shot a friend of mine at 2 hexes range with an avenger minigun with AP rounds while he was in a bluesuit just for a test. i only did 47 points of damage, even if he had toughness the bullets would have gone right through it.

-Ulrek-

~bb gun represent~


but seriously, in a pvp, at like 20-30 hex, an avenger was doing 90-110 dmg to me (no toughness, using metal mk2), dont know if hew as using AP or JHP tho.

[Johnnybravo]

If we could expect every single bullet hit ( no criticals ) on a guy with BA+2xToughness and while having 2x BRD, avenger would do better average damage per burst, while LSW possibly making more damage.

Psycho would change damage of both weapons by the same amount I guess.

Ofcourse this is with AP ammunition, JHP would do very little damage.

Solar, i've shot a friend of mine at 2 hexes range with an avenger minigun with AP rounds while he was in a bluesuit just for a test.

I've heard, that with lower skill avenger tends to miss a lot of bullets, decreasing damage dramaticly. I don't play burst specs so I haven't bothered searching how it works, but it'd be probably the best thing to check out when comparing weapons that shoot really a lot of bullets.

[Solar]

No, avenger does more damage in every conceivable situation, provided the test is fair.

Both in what you expect and what you observe.

[Ulrek]

Yes JHP would do more damage against an unarmored target. but at 2-3 hexes. each bullet should do at least 2 damage, and even if only 30 bullets hit, that would still be 60 damage at least, not 47. if AP rounds cant hurt a bluesuit, then they cant hurt a guy in BA.

-Ulrek-

[Solar]

2-3 hexes is the same as firing from max range. Only difference comes when you're next to them.

[Crazy]

2-3 hexes is the same as firing from max range. Only difference comes when you're next to them.

Talking about that, do you plan to rework burst spread? Like you've done with pancor, each weapons could have different spreads, which make it more effective in different situations.

[Solar]

Not for a long while at least. Ideally after this incoming re-working of just about everything we can concentrate on adding content for a while. That is my nieve hope anyway