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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => Suggestions => Topic started by: jonny rust on August 31, 2010, 03:04:57 pm
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Just had a mild rant about this in the wip thread but thought I should probably add it here as well.
its a question suggestion;
why is it that one can hide only from PCs who one is following?
it caters ONLY to stalkers as far as I can tell and, for the record, I have nothing against stalkers;
if you find a way to carve out a living in the waste then more power to you but this makes no sense! if it is possible to sneak from another player in one case then it should always be a possibility. it makes no sense that I can only sneak from people who are meant to be my allys!
so the suggestion here is, in ragards to sneaking from other players, is make it a blanket rule one way or another!
I dont understand some of the double standards im seeing here
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yea i was wondering about that too, i am still unsure if you can hide from pvp i am guessing what you said is that you cant...
well,..... so im voteing for hide from everyone with sneak, if youre sneaked, youre snuk.
...(vote(... well anyways good rant imo.. peace
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What? Wait... No, it can't be... Can it? Oh crap...
Are you telling me that if I want to sneak past some Pk to a mine or something, I've got to first follow-tag them and I can only hide from one at a time?
This is so wrong. You need 10 int, skilled, educated x2, thief, ghost, silent running to be a good sneaker and have one more or less good skill... and you still can't sneak? You migth as well tag speach and gambling.
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What are you all on about? :-\
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What are you all on about? :-\
I think we are trying to figure out something useful out of newcomer suggestions. You know something like fresh air which is not... well... not exactly an air.
EDIT: Awww dammit... bad topic -_- sorry
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Are you telling me that if I want to sneak past some Pk to a mine or something, I've got to first follow-tag them and I can only hide from one at a time?
what made you think so, man? i didn't see such thing in game and i didn't understand anything like this in the topic post. i think what he means is you can sneak pass from players, but you can't sneak pass from the npcs (raiders, critters, deathclaws, town guards, etc.)
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what made you think so, man? i didn't see such thing in game and i didn't understand anything like this in the topic post. i think what he means is you can sneak pass from players, but you can't sneak pass from the npcs (raiders, critters, deathclaws, town guards, etc.)
This made me think so:
why is it that one can hide only from PCs who one is following?
Is this totally bananas?
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This made me think so:
Is this totally bananas?
there are lots of sneak looters ın cities that loot dead players during TC. they cant tag them all. and as you stated if you had to tag players to sneak them, that would make sneak totally useless and would make sneak another gambling or speech. as far as i know, there is no such feature in game. even solar didn't understand what are you arguing about.
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Sorry, I have been away from the game for a while and wasnt able to clear up the questions this raised.
what I said is true;
I was being stalked (PC tagged me and followed when I left town to kill me and my group)
so we stopped to kill him but as soon as we dropped to the map the stalker disappeared!
our turn was wasted because we could not see him and we all have a very good perception.
next turn there he was again with a few plasma grenades and blew us all up.
we were baffled at why we could not see him during our turn so we asked admin and they told us that he was able to sneak from us because he was a part of our party.
I know it makes no sense, hence the confusion in this thread but that is exactly the purpose of this thread
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questions:
1. Can someone sneak while not on world map (AKA cities, encounters, whatever) and then have it in use when going onto the world map?
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questions:
1. Can someone sneak while not on world map (AKA cities, encounters, whatever) and then have it in use when going onto the world map?
I'm not sure, but even if you could my original understanding of sneak was that the only people who wouldn't see you when you dropped in would be NPCs
In my case though the stalker was visible at the beginning of his turn but then went into sneak right away and disappeared.
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questions:
1. Can someone sneak while not on world map (AKA cities, encounters, whatever) and then have it in use when going onto the world map?
Yes, how do you think people get stalker tagged and suddenly stuff from their base and/or tent stuff suddenly goes missing.
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questions:
1. Can someone sneak while not on world map (AKA cities, encounters, whatever) and then have it in use when going onto the world map?
You can even enter sneak on WM.
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You can even enter sneak on WM.
does this mean you wont need outdoorsman if you have high sneak?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE
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..........i am bumpin to it....
lol thats good shutt. 8)
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The Point I am raising is that you can sneak from your friends but apparently not your enemies and it makes no sense to me.
If one can sneak from PCs it should be ones enemies if not just everyone, right?
but lets at least get a logical rule established for this.
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i dont think you can sneak from youre friends. infact im really sure you cant.
other pc's -players charicters- will see youre charicter just plain as day when they sneak. im sure of it.
it sux. i think you should be snuked if youre sneak. thats just bs. how are you suposto avoid "STALKERS" !?
it kinda pissis me off, i like to sneak and smash people in their brain with metal pipes. wtf is up with the no sneak factor evin being considered to have bin left out!? how????? i just dont understand it.....
-nervisly falls apart-
aahg@_#''
well i really hope in the future they dev in a sneak systim that at least sneaks you from other players so you can actuly have a good time HIDEING!
rather then runing in circels inside a "F'ing BANK" and garuds are to "F'ing STUPID" to kick the ass hole out who is chasing you trying to loot yorue shit ,not to mention his asshole friend who is shuting the door behind you and trying to actuly pin you in a corner and cyber rape youre charicter.
you people know who you are and youre really fucked up.
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fact is the guy was 5 steps away from me and he disappeared and my perception in 9. My companion asked a dev after it happened and he said he was able to sneak because he was in our party...
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no way! i am in my friends party and nether of us can sneak from eachother!
i can see the other comp right now wit my two eyes -its ofline now, but when we tried it...-
i dont buy it, i dont think anyone is suposted to or is capable of sneaking from others,
one time i did sneak and someone told me (stupid sneaker) or some shit,
i think all it does is make you transparent if anything, he still followed me.
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then can anyone tell me how this guy managed to disappear? he was in my line of sight... this was before the wipe though, perhaps it got fixed?
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yo game is back on now, when i catch up to my friend we will try the sneak ok? ill post back. it will prolly take like 30 or 40 mins though to get back wit friend...
ok well, when it is back online, i will post back as we are partyed now...
im sure that you can not sneak. at all.
execpt to look transparent on youre own screen. but im sure later it will be dirfrent.. :o
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yo game is back on now, when i catch up to my friend we will try the sneak ok? ill post back. it will prolly take like 30 or 40 mins though to get back wit friend...
are either of you good at sneaking? it would be nice if a dev could just clear this up right now...
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ok, my friend is visable. clear as day. name and all. team or not. :-\
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fact is the guy was 5 steps away from me and he disappeared and my perception in 9. My companion asked a dev after it happened and he said he was able to sneak because he was in our party...
well guys, as far as I remember FOCD let people use sneak mode while other people see them, so in my opinion the guy was using FOCD, and he would be able to use sneak if u taged him but u didnt b/c he was following you, so yes he was using FOCD and im 99% sure of it, a gm or dev who told u abot the party stuff doesnt even know how things work which is funny xd
since the first week of this wipe people have been using FOCD a week or two ago someone created a topic about it, devs will do something a week or 2 before the next wipe or will not do anything, cheat or not cheat that is a question, kill and loot or die and go dig again bro, the answear is clear, the longer it takes to bann the cheaters the list of them becomes longer and longer
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...wut??
what is focd?
sneaking DOES not work. DO not BELEAVE people that are telling you, YOU can sneak, BEACUSE you cant! in team, OUT of team, tage'd untaged, someone is LIEING to you. and thats verry annoying.
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well guys, as far as I remember FOCD let people use sneak mode while other people see them,
Impossible, that would require a server-side hack, and FOCD is just a client-side addon.
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Impossible, that would require a server-side hack, and FOCD is just a client-side addon.
u are wrong, i have seen it many times during TC before the wipe when most of the players had been using FOCD the newsest version that also showed health bars above heads let people use sneak in other players FOV, it was tested and im sure of it, just ask any person that had a sneak acc and was using FOCD before the wipe, as we could see in one of the topics a week ago, the newest version looks exacly the same, and works the same i would say
FOCD is a cheat that let people use shorcuts, u can instause stimpacks or other binded things from ur inventory by clicking alt+1 and so on, also shows heath bars above heads, also lets snipers do one click eyeshoots ( fallout tactics system )
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I was using a sneaking char and I was using FOCD, I couldn't sneak in someone's FOV. Plus, it's impossible, as I said, since FOCD is just a client-side tool. Also, such a thing wasn't mentioned in FOCD's feature list.
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well we are or were playing different game then, im sure people could do it, i have seen people doing it in front of me, and my mates who had sneak acc could do it as well, propably u didnt have the newest version,as i said the one with health bars was doing it
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Stop saying bullshit, FOCD never allowed to do anything like that, it's just usefull shortcuts. If you are on the same party with guys who see you, it's true that you can sneak. That's all.
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what are u talking about party LOL if u didnt tag the guy he cannot use sneak in front of u as long as u see him unless he is using FOCD
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in sneak mode u could be detected, the thing is when someone was turning on the sneak mode, it didnt check if someone saw u it only checked if someone could detect u,
if someone had 12 Per and lets say could see a guy in sneak mode from 10 hexes, this guy could turn on his sneak mode 11 hexes from the targed even if the guy saw him, i hope u get what i mean
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so basicly its like.. if somone is in youre face -the reality of it should be you can see him... so it makes sence that you cant sneak unleas you are 11 feet away..
a hide option would be cool.
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if u have 12 P it means u can see 56 hexes in front of u right? but at the same time if u have a sneaking enemy with 300% sneak in front of u, u can detect him from 10 hexes (im not quite sure put a random number in here X), so if he is using FOCD he can turn sneak on 11 hexes from you( X+1 ), without FOCD he must hide or go out of ur fov ( more than 56 hexes )