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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => Suggestions => Topic started by: Mr Feltzer on August 21, 2010, 01:58:03 am
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A new Big Gun, Would be handy for N00b Big Gunners,
Basicly uses the Image of the Flamer, and it Fires 2 Shots of 223. The Clip size would be 6 Shots, and Its a Big Gun. Handy, And would would add a "Rifle" Type gun to the Big Guns category.
What do yas think?
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Wouldn't this be a little over kill seeing as it shoots 2 shots of .223?
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I think its an ok idea. Big Gunners need some tier 0 weapon aswell, maybe even a single handed weapon, like some oversized pistol.
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How about a canon that utilize the look of a rocket launcher but shoots out rocks? We have rocks that can only be used for throwing but why can't they be used to shoot. Also i was thinking how about crafting ores into a more sphere shape using flint and a workbench, causing increased damage and range.
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What about some kind of elephant gun? or some flintlock? (or Pfeifer Zeliska 28mm Revolver ;D)
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LOL I Like the Idea of the Rock Launcher, Except it should Shoot Flint(easier to find)
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Speargun!
Sharpened poles and spears are always in abundance so might aswell have some fun harpooning people in the face, especially the fat ones. :P
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People... Stay realistic and not ridolous. Lets even say ( blasphemy! ) to make, just as an example a special modified huge ass desert eagle. Its huge as shit, only capable for big gunners as a tier 0 weapon.
As the bozar is a single shot weapon too it could aswell open a new build.
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One handed weapon that deals huge damage (don't tell me it will be weaker than regular DE) and you call it 0 tier weapon? Flamer is enough for gaining exp as biggunner.
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It might be a pleasant surprise if you would read posts before you are replying.
I was talking about an aimable weapon for
big gunners, as the bozar is also a single shot aimable weapon for big gunners.
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(http://www.abload.de/img/mr-beanju4j.jpg)
Award for you.
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Thanks, but I am no comedian.
But here goes a forum warning for you. Now back to topic.
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Why do big gunners need aimable weapons?
Correct me if I am wrong, but bozar is the only aimable BG and it isn't obtainable in game by normal means.
Flamer as tier 0 weapon is ok.
There is actually another issue related to this, and that is general small number of weapons. That would be up for discussion in another thread I think.
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Why do big gunners need aimable weapons?
Correct me if I am wrong, but bozar is the only aimable BG and it isn't obtainable in game by normal means.
Flamer as tier 0 weapon is ok.
There is actually another issue related to this, and that is general small number of weapons. That would be up for discussion in another thread I think.
Thats why I was suggesting a new aimable big gun. To widen the possibility for new Big gun builds, Captain obvious.
Right now, no sane mind with a bozar and a big guns powrrbuild would use the bozar. If thered be an option to creqte such a build ( as the bozar is with single shot LESS dangerous) there could be more then just fast shot big gunners.
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I still think my rocket launcher could be used to throw rocks would be nice. Its kinda like the Rock-It-Launcher from F3 but you know it only shoots rocks.
The gun could be craftable with a mix of wood, junk, and metal pieces/flints. Then you could either shoot rocks with them or uraninum ores (massive radiation damage) or craft smaller sphereical balls out of ores. I would also say that you could craft the sphereical ores into either a small spheres that have more range but less damage (maybe a small armor penetration bonus) and a larger sphere that has less range but better damage.
Easy to make but cannot be abused as the ammo would be weigh alot more than conventional ammo.
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Mentioning Fallout 3 automatically turns into a fail post. ;) Not. even mentioning that it would be ridicolous having a rock launcher if one might aswell throw the rock at the enemy.
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Mentioning Fallout * automatically turns into a fail post. ;) Not. even mentioning that it would be ridicolous having a rock launcher if one might aswell throw the rock at the enemy.
Would this not apply to your post here (just trying to redeem myself here -.-)
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Just a big ugly world war I 14mm anti tank rifle. As plus it would also make a second gun use 14mm rounds.
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As. arely any SG user takes a 14mm gun this isnt the worst suggestion actually.
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Thats why I was suggesting a new aimable big gun. To widen the possibility for new Big gun builds, Captain obvious.
Right now, no sane mind with a bozar and a big guns powrrbuild would use the bozar. If thered be an option to creqte such a build ( as the bozar is with single shot LESS dangerous) there could be more then just fast shot big gunners.
Well, i know that this will be very heretic, but why not leave current SG, BG, EW class system .. (i know 1000+ reasons why not) and replace it by "aim skill" and "burst skill". Players will then combinate weapons in one char.. Even Van Buren left current system and replace it by one Firearms skill.
Because if you will introduce aiming weapons in BG skill, there will not be practicaly any system difference between SG and BG (even ammo they use are same).
But seriously, i hope you will make flamer more competitive PvP weapon, when you introduce 3D models..
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I think it is quite pointless to think about it in any other way than carefully considering the effects it would have on gameplay.
How this new build, BG sniper, would work? How should it work in a full team? How should it be different from SG sniper? Are 2 guns enough for a new class?
I suggest moving 14mm pistol to BG and adding a Winchester Model 70 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_70) sporting rifle with .458 Winchester Magnum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.458_Winchester_Magnum) chambering (suitable for large game hunt - centaurs :)). Of course there would be the bozar, which is moddeled after the M82...
As for the combat performance, I things weapons in this class should cost ridiculous amount of AP to fire eyeshot (10 ap), but also do massive damage, maybe be the only weapons which could instakill. The ammo should be highly armor piercing (-DR). Their range should be same as for the weapons for the SG sniper build, but since the weapons are so unbalanced now I dunno if this is worth talking about.
I agree with DonGizmo that we should not be afraid to change the fallout skill layout, if we consider what the changes would bring, especially for lvl 21 PvP gangs who are those who care about combat the most...
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No new weapons will be added to the game Ned, thats why I was suggesting that. And, whats the manner? Is it that bad suggesting new builds/classes?
The BG sniper would have clear disadvantages. The Bozar is hard to get and you'll only have some tier 0-1 weapons. BUT! If you have that bozar thingy, your build is deadly, but risky to play.
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Sorry Surf, but that is just dumb. A build, which would be only worth doing, if you by some crazy luck or something get bozar, so you spend the time hard lvling it with tier 0-1 weapons, to own the battlefield for a couple hours to be finally rolled over by a party 3x as big as yours...I already got an idea how to name the build - Titanic ;)
It would be a curiosity build for people who have tried everything, but I think more bad things than good things comes out of it. No appreciable addition to gameplay...
To the weapons not being added to the game... that like, ever? Can I take that as official dev statement?
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Didnt I say that? (ok, just checked it, indeed I missed it).
For this build the bozar needs to be more common. At the moment no one would use it ever, just to show off, but not as a real weapon, because it has changed from the bugged and unrealistic piece of shit like it was in FO2 to a good weapon.
To the weapons not being added to the game... that like, ever? Can I take that as official dev statement?
Yes. As long as the actual weapons aren't fixed we won't see new weapons "soon".
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All right, then we should be discussing all the weapons and classes because these things are so interconnected. Maybe I'll make a thread some time about my ideas about that...
Oh, and don't insult bozar, or it would aimed burst your...
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The bozar can't burst. :)
And yes, before we are suggesting things like that, the other things need to be balanced. Like 1000 times been said before.
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the Rock-It Launcher?sounds good, no?
or probably This Guy's gun? (http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/hellboys-gun-500x346.jpg)
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I recall devs were constantly replying to new weapon suggestions that they wont implement new weapons as long as existing ones havent been fully implemented or balanced, but as i've leveded/helped leveling plenty BG chars, i gotta say, some weapon similiar to improved flamer in power/crafting that uses bullets definately wouldnt hurt for gameplay. BG does need a gun that is bit larger range than imp. flamer, deals less damage and is alot cheaper than minigun/rockets/LSW...
Hey... Guess what...?
NERF THE MF USELESS PIECE OF S M60 CRAFTING REQUIRMENTS, BUFF BIT DAMAGE AND FIX THE GODDAMN 7.62 AMMO THAT CANT BE BLOODY FIXED FOR A YEAR ALREADY.
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This would fix everything mentioned in this thread.
The M60 is the most useless weapon in all weapon classes. Its crafting requirments are like for minigun, its damage is less than normal flamer, its ammo is more harder to get than .223 and has worse stats than it... what the hell? Even if they just fix the ammo, the M60 is still as hard as craft as minigun, and who the hell will choose M60 if you could get 2-3 LSWs by cleaning a caravan in 1 minute...
M60 must be something around imp. flamer level.
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I recall devs were constantly replying to new weapon suggestions that they wont implement new weapons as long as existing ones havent been fully implemented or balanced, but as i've leveded/helped leveling plenty BG chars, i gotta say, some weapon similiar to improved flamer in power/crafting that uses bullets definately wouldnt hurt for gameplay. BG does need a gun that is bit larger range than imp. flamer, deals less damage and is alot cheaper than minigun/rockets/LSW...
Hey... Guess what...?
NERF THE MF USELESS PIECE OF S M60 CRAFTING REQUIRMENTS, BUFF BIT DAMAGE AND FIX THE GODDAMN 7.62 AMMO THAT CANT BE BLOODY FIXED FOR A YEAR ALREADY.
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This would fix everything mentioned in this thread.
The M60 is the most useless weapon in all weapon classes. Its crafting requirments are like for minigun, its damage is less than normal flamer, its ammo is more harder to get than .223 and has worse stats than it... what the hell? Even if they just fix the ammo, the M60 is still as hard as craft as minigun, and who the hell will choose M60 if you could get 2-3 LSWs by cleaning a caravan in 1 minute...
M60 must be something around imp. flamer level.
7.62mm has been increased for the next update. The M60 didn't need anything else doing to it, its just a little bit under the LSW (which has increased damage upon the update too).
Then all "higher" ammo will be restricted in where it can be made, so 7.62 won't be unique in that regard.
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Well big guns are a bit of mess.
M60 should be superior to LSW because it's harder to get.
Bozar would be a nice weapon after Fast shot is changed to not affect big guns. Some of my team mates used Bozar in fights (with special chars for Bozar - sniper big gunners without fast shot) but as someone mentioned, it's too risky, because Bozar is very hard to get.
We don't need something mentioned by the OP as big gunner class would be too powerful. The fact that it's hard to play bg, especially on low lvl chars, makes that class a choice not for every player.
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M60 will be easier to build/get ammo for.
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Just take the Bozar weapon, disable burst and call it "Bozar Riffle". Alternatively, it should have lower damage as well 10-15 and maybe decreased max hit chance over 15 and 35 hexes. Also Req St 7? 8?
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We need 50cal ammo for bozar.
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Yeah .50 cal ammo and rename to M82 - the rifle it was designed to look like.
Same range as sniper rifle, much more powerful but cost many AP (10 per eyeshot), that is what I suggest.
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Yeah .50 cal ammo and rename to M82 - the rifle it was designed to look like.
Same range as sniper rifle, much more powerful but cost many AP (10 per eyeshot), that is what I suggest.
Sounds like the best solution to me
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Sounds like the best solution to me
Or we could use 14mm.
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Or we could use 14mm.
Yeah 14mm is good. It is like .56 and at least some other gun than 14mm pistol would use it.
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new BG ? why ? look at flamers .. this guns can be boosted :D now flamer is like shit -,- i think about it :
DMG :
Flamer (dmg like i.flamer)
I.flamer (l boosted )
and fuel
normal dmg like fuel MK II
Fuel mk II boosted
mhmm rng ;/
Hole flame ! Flamers r0x :D
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M60 will be easier to build/get ammo for.
Nice new update for BG class - gj, but i think it s still not so many weapons you can play as BG ; /
Almost every BG use only Avenger and RL , flamer is good only for exping and it s little boring.
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Flamer should have an option to use whole fuel at once. Now you can only shoot 1 out of 5. Why not 5 out of 5 in one attack? Of course make a proper AP requirement.
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Flamer should do area damage and continuosly damage. But i think that BG dont need rifle. They have RL, very big and constant damage on long range => this is in fact "big rifle".
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Flamer should have an option to use whole fuel at once. Now you can only shoot 1 out of 5. Why not 5 out of 5 in one attack? Of course make a proper AP requirement.
Agreed, that sounds bad ass. Flamer attack options Burst and Torch or something heh.
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Solar: "I have better things to do in my sparse time then banning thousands of alts just because I have seen a video of one guy using these things etc."
1. This is not quoting me
2. Surf Solar didn't ban anyone
I suggest you change this ... I don't think you'd like what I'd change it to ;)
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1. This is not quoting me
2. Surf Solar didn't ban anyone
I suggest you change this ... I don't think you'd like what I'd change it to ;)
:P
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1. Im horrified looking for some ideas posted here.. Leave bozar's name as it is. It's a part of canon, part of Fallout, part of the gameplay :P
2. And, if we are talking about BIG pistols, already we have 14mm and 0.45 ammo, soooo..
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:fcHmkCBvhcA__M:http://crimsonsguns.tripod.com/Jackal1.jpg&t=1)
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/c/c1/454casullzd3.jpg)
:P
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:P
Feel free to contact me when you feel like made up quotes should be taken out of signatures.
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I laughed my ass off. :D
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Bozar - Its a sniper rifle and it was a bug/mistake that the dev team of FO2 made it burst. In FOnline it's already fixed and you can't burst now. Stop spamming the thread about bozar. The gun actually requires a unique build and is useless right now.
BigRifle - A tier 0 BG? But we already have one! It's the flamer... Single shot rifles for BG? I don't know, I don't know...
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.50 Cal Desert eagle with extra large grips?
-Ulrek-
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(https://i.imgur.com/lDLu4.jpg)
add this please :)
(.50 cal is basically 14mm)
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I see no point in this suggestion. Tier0 BG weapon is flamer. That's pretty enough.
Alternative suggestion:
Make a gun that shoots people! You take your merc/slave/friend, put him in the rocket launcher and shooot. In flight your slave puts out his knife and stabs your opponent in face at enormous speed.
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I hardly thinkg it would be fair to most people if biggunners got a mid-range grinding weapon, if that happens all we'll see would be biggunners becaue with the grinding weapon it would suddenly become 3-4x cheaper to level a biggunner powerbuild...