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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => General Game Discussion => Topic started by: lehytek on July 26, 2010, 11:50:34 am
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I own one.
What makes a nickname b&able? I own a nickname after a cool sci-fi movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0274518/) and I don't like the idea of being thrown out of here.
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It's offensive to some, whether it's based upon a movie or not.
IMO it's not as offensive as the guy who's using fuhrer (and some with numbers behind it) as nickname.
Yes, I'm aware it's the German word for leader, but it's also a reference to Hitler.
So far I've noticed such names disappearing quite quickly.
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This is MMORPG. Choose a name of your character, create a background for him and play the game.
Or not...
But choosing a nickname should follow certain rules and offensive nicks should be banned the same way as offensive actions no matter if the nickname comes out of some movie or book or whatever. Its not that hard to come up a with new nickname. Or just steal some cool name from other game/movie characters. There are plenty of nicks to choose from without offending anyone. So trash that lame nick of yours and get a new, better one.
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I think that if GMs deem the name too offensive they´ll take action if they feel like it. That movie sounds horribly wrong.. and I just simply hope it isn´t what I think it is.
But I however have a personal opinion over you for using that name, but thankfully I´m going to keep that to myself to avoid an uproar. :<
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Dead Baby is a bad name... yeah, someone is seriously using that name.
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Dead Baby is a bad name... yeah, someone is seriously using that name.
There are more, I've seen pedophile and child lover in the passed.
Both are probably banned by now as I haven't seen them for a while.
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Yes, Child Porn is banned.
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2 more to consider banning:
Adolf_Hitler
I Am Rapist
I reported that Adolf_Hitler character yesterday when there were GMs on, but today I saw him in NCR again.
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I dont see how I Am Rapist is offensive Adolf Hitler I can understand but considering names like CUMDRAGON being around since forever and not being baned i dont think names like that count.
Now if it was I Rape You... xD
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I dont see how I Am Rapist is offensive Adolf Hitler I can understand but considering names like CUMDRAGON being around since forever and not being baned i dont think names like that count.
Now if it was I Rape You... xD
There's a difference between an idiot with a porn related name and someone calling himself a rapist.
If you don't understand that, you're not too smart.
I happen to know someone who for reasons would be very offended by that nick.
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There's a difference between an idiot with a porn related name and someone calling himself a rapist.
You just made my day... :P
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There's a difference between an idiot with a porn related name and someone calling himself a rapist.
If you don't understand that, you're not too smart.
I happen to know someone who for reasons would be very offended by that nick.
I agree wholeheartly. Problem of the a bit younger (or not so smart) actual "internet" generation (not only on this forum) is, that they lack respect for things. There is a clear border of making fun of something, and not having the ability to respect something.
"Raping" is not fun, "Suicide bombing" is not fun neither. People giving "lulz" at such things are in my book... well, better not say it. These are very sensitive topics and trampeling with "lulz" feets on these topics is just stupid. And such are said ingame actions/nicknames.
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I agree wholeheartly. Problem of the a bit younger (or not so smart) actual "internet" generation (not only on this forum) is, that they lack respect for things. There is a clear border of making fun of something, and not having the ability to respect something.
"Raping" is not fun, "Suicide bombing" is not fun neither. People giving "lulz" at such things are in my book... well, better not say it. These are very sensitive topics and trampeling with "lulz" feets on these topics is just stupid. And such are said ingame actions/nicknames.
Being a "killer" is also not fun, and neither is a "sniper", a "mechanic" nor an "alternative" and not even a "doctor." If we allowed names that were only fun, I am sure at least a third of the population would be banned. It is always comical to see individuals being upset at certain names, while being completely oblivious to others, which just stems from their moral background, varying differently between individuals. Just an example, I remember playing an MMO where the name "loli" was banned, the funny part about this is that "loli" is just short for Lolita Complex, and where Lolita is a proper name of a girl, and also the name of a book by Nabokov about this character.
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Being a "killer" is also not fun, and neither is a "sniper", a "mechanic" nor an "alternative" and not even a "doctor." If we allowed names that were only fun, I am sure at least a third of the population would be banned. It is always comical to see individuals being upset at certain names, while being completely oblivious to others, which just stems from their moral background, varying differently between individuals. Just an example, I remember playing an MMO where the name "loli" was banned, the funny part about this is that "loli" is just short for Lolita Complex, and where Lolita is a proper name of a girl, and also the name of a book by Nabokov about this character.
If it's a short name of "Lolita Complex", then just write "Lolita Complex".
And don't be a smartass, do you know any other games where blowing yourself up with explosives for teh lulz is common?
I still think it's offensive to many people, we even had a thread where someone wanted to make an "Al Quaida" Army of suicide bombers ingame. ::) Ofcourse everything is "for teh lulz", if someone says something about it, then ofcourse the "why so serious" thing kicks in, or even "fag", "morale asshole" etc. and this is just sad. I sometimes even question myself in hanging around with such horrible people. But oh well. ;)
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And don't be a smartass, do you know any other games where blowing yourself up with explosives for teh lulz is common?
Counter Strike and Call of Duty 4(was even an achievement for doing it) come quickly to mind. I think in it of itself the Fallout series was an offensive game to many people. But anyway, my problem is how does someone determine if something is offensive or offensive enough to deserve a ban, as it is clearly not stated in the rules.
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If you can't imagine anyone in Fallout having your name, it sucks.
And your parents are ashamed.
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Counter Strike and Call of Duty 4(was even an achievement for doing it) come quickly to mind.
And both games are frequented by alot of immature minds... Doesn't surprise me, actually.
I think in it of itself the Fallout series was an offensive game to many people.
Why? I think especially the famous "War. War never changes" has a lot of meaning into it. The canon is pretty strong, one could write many philosophical works about it. The wasteland maybe harsh, but it still has some "moral" into it, it's no blank paper everyone can write his stuff onto it. Especially not in a MMO whith actualy people playing it. And here comes:
But anyway, my problem is how does someone determine if something is offensive or offensive enough to deserve a ban, as it is clearly not stated in the rules.
Where I fully agree with you. The rules need to be better described.
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And both games are frequented by alot of immature minds... Doesn't surprise me, actually.
I think you're mistaking words for acts here. Joking about al-Quaeda doesn't mean you support it, screaming "Allah Akbar!" in a computer game doesn't make you a suicide bomber. Joking about rape doesn't make you a rapist, neither does it make you supportive of actual rape (my GF used to joke about rape more often than I did, does that make her a psycho or a nymphomaniac? I hardly think so), saying "nigger" doesn't make you a supporter of slavery and actually doesn't even mean you're racist (hell, I'm a Pole and I consider most Polish jokes hilarious). In the end, it all comes down to your sense of humor and tolerance. If people get offended it actually is their problem, not the offenders', especially since most instances of producing "offensive content" aren't even malicious. To be honest, even if you consider offensive content harmful, shutting people up with violence (well, as funny as it sounds banning is the ultimate form of violence here, and obviously governments go way further irl) is more harmful than spouting bullshit itself. It all comes to freedom of speech, and being mature in my book doesn't mean you can't bear with the consequences (ie. people saying what they want), but rather being capable of living with it. And please do consider the fact that there are people on this Earth to whom your very existence is offensive and who would gladly kill you because of the way you live. You just can't please everyone, so why even bother? Extreme views or jokes get sidelined and removed from mainstream by the people anyway, because contrary to what some people believe common sense is, well, pretty common.
Why? I think especially the famous "War. War never changes" has a lot of meaning into it. The canon is pretty strong, one could write many philosophical works about it. The wasteland maybe harsh, but it still has some "moral" into it, it's no blank paper everyone can write his stuff onto it. Especially not in a MMO whith actualy people playing it.
Well, I wouldn't go as far as calling Fallout a deep work of art, but I agree it's not entirely meaningless. I don't agree with your conclusion though - if people are playing it, it doesn't mean it should restrict their actions in any way - rather than that, it means that it's the people who decide whether the wasteland is harsh or friendly, moral or a cesspool. And honestly, a view GMs conducting guerilla warfare against the players and giving an occasional ban for the use of n- word or whatnot doesn't change a thing, and never will. You really can't influence how people think like that.
Where I fully agree with you. The rules need to be better described.
So what's stopping you guys from doing that? It's not like it's a new issue, really.
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If people get offended it actually is their problem, not the offenders',
Actually, if we are speaking of this game/forum, it IS not "our" problem. We don't feel offended, we just see people breaking the rule. And I am glad I have other people in the team too that share my opinion of moral not even letting this bullshit hostile speech in it. I ofcourse don't get "offended" when someone is using Al Quaida shit, as I am no member of it nor do I have something to do with it. Also am I no "nigger", that doesnt stops me from finding it just bad. Activating common sense seems to be hard for some people in here. (we even had the n word discussion ago, there was no racism from human to human in the fallout world... ::) ).
Otherwise, good post, even if I don't agree with all your points.
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This isn't about freedom of speech. This is the internet equivalent of drawing penises on bathroom walls.
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Actually, if we are speaking of this game/forum, it IS not "our" problem. We don't feel offended, we just see people breaking the rule. And I am glad I have other people in the team too that share my opinion of moral not even letting this bullshit hostile speech in it. I ofcourse don't get "offended" when someone is using Al Quaida shit, as I am no member of it nor do I have something to do with it. Also am I no "nigger", that doesnt stops me from finding it just bad. Activating common sense seems to be hard for some people in here. (we even had the n word discussion ago, there was no racism from human to human in the fallout world... ::) ).
Otherwise, good post, even if I don't agree with all your points.
Pretty much he(Nice_Boat) summed up almost everything what I've said earlier, with minor differences on IRC. It's totally normal for people to behave differently in-game and in real life.
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This isn't about freedom of speech. This is the internet equivalent of drawing penises on bathroom walls.
I agree, I don´t think it is about being offended by a nickname, but that immature people break the rules without consideration.
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Pretty much he(Nice_Boat) summed up almost everything what I've said earlier, with minor differences on IRC. It's totally normal for people to behave differently in-game and in real life.
Well said, most people feel safe behind their monitor. Actually not many of them realise the fact that there is another person in front of other monitor. Even if it's far away from his home. Though, it's i-net, "the place where men are women, women are women and children are cops". I don't support any kind of racism, non tolerantive behaviour or insulting myself. But honestly, nicknames in game are the thing that should become lowest priority to care about for most people. But there's always kind of "problem"...
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It's totally normal for people to behave differently in-game and in real life.
Because "it's only a game" ? Sorry, your argument is invalid. People are working everyday on this game, and racism is not tolerated here, nor in real life.
But honestly, nicknames in game are the thing that should become lowest priority to care about for most people. But there's always kind of "problem"...
They're not high priority, actually we only do something when we cross them. The "problem" here comes from people that make offending nicknames, get banned and whine here.
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Well frankly I think people should be allowed to choose their own name which was the original topic not joking about rapists and suicide bombers, and if you don't like the guys nick name, PK him enough times so that he changes it. Welcome to the wonderful world of Fallout where you can kill anyone for any reason including that his big toe is bigger than your dick :p
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Welcome to the wonderful world of Fallout where you can kill anyone for any reason including that his big toe is bigger than your dick :p
This is what Fallout is all about. Right here.
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and now the whole thing ingame :
• Npc on Tour: you will be banned
• GayNigger: why? ;_;
• GayNigger: I like a movie called "Gay Niggers from Outer Space"
• Npc on Tour: cause your nick sucks..
• GayNigger: that's your opinion
• GayNigger: I just saved this log
• Npc on Tour: why?
• Npc on Tour: and for what?
• GayNigger: I will tell GM that you're blackmailing me
• Npc on Tour: i just said your nick sucks a lot
• Npc on Tour: and you will be probaly banned for this
• Npc on Tour: thats all
• GayNigger: you tell people that you're going to do something, that will cause bad things to them...
• GayNigger: ..and
• Npc on Tour: what?
• GayNigger: you won't do it if they will give you something
• Npc on Tour: lol
• Npc on Tour: what?
• GayNigger: omfg
• Npc on Tour: you are crazy like hell guy
• GayNigger: lookup definition of "blackmail" on wiktionary
• GayNigger: or something
• Npc on Tour: same like your shiti nick
• GayNigger: my nick comes from a sci-fi movie
• GayNigger: goodbye
• Npc on Tour: JEAH AND HITLER COMES FROM GERMANY. ASSHOLE.
• Npc on Tour: DONT USE RACISTIC SHIT.
• ?: GAY NIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE, LOOK IT UP
• Npc on Tour: WHAT EVER DUMB
• Npc on Tour: NOT INTERESTED IN YA MOVIE
and now you open this tread? you just want to provocate other peoples,
thats all .. the movie is nice, but your nick isn´t.
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Well frankly I think people should be allowed to choose their own name which was the original topic not joking about rapists and suicide bombers, and if you don't like the guys nick name, PK him enough times so that he changes it. Welcome to the wonderful world of Fallout where you can kill anyone for any reason including that his big toe is bigger than your dick :p
One thing is an ingame thing (killing and stuff) other thing is a meta-gaming thing (those nicknames). Both have nothing to do with each other. If you constantly kill someone with a bad name he won't just disappear. If he gets banned when we cross them, he will disappear.
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i so a guy with nickname like BigMFuck or something like that , he must be banned to?
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Hah, hillarious dialog, awesome nick :D
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Hah, hillarious dialog, awesome nick :D
haha the funny thing is:
i created this char because someone banned my previously char after one day.
guess why.. the name of my old char was "GameMaster".
banned, without discuss. so ... what the fuck we doing here?. :)
@ Izual
jeah. i understand it. it´s just one wasted night, so it´s ok :)
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isn´t the word "gamemaster" a Designation?
whats with the nick "admin"? even more disagree?
more attention need following nicks for example:
slave, mercenaries, geckos, brahmins ect.
i talking about all the probaly existing "robber and trapping characters".
that´s more nick abuse, than me with the nick "gamemaster".
everybody knows i am not a gamemaster.
but discussing about that nick is close to trolling. so i stop it.
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the name of my old char was "Gamemaster".
banned, without discuss.
- Impersonating staff member.
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i so a guy with nickname like BigMFuck or something like that , he must be banned to?
No. Swearing is very common in all Fallout games. If Big McFuck is to be banned, then remove swearing from dialogue, install censors, and change 'brahmin shit' to 'brahmin caca.'
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No. Swearing is very common in all Fallout games. If Big McFuck is to be banned, then remove swearing from dialogue, install censors, and change 'brahmin shit' to 'brahmin caca.'
If the word 'fuck' would be banned from FOnline, Metzger wouldnt exist, so...
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People swearing and people running around as FUCKERY MCFUCKERPANTS are totally different things, and you know that. Nobody has not nor will ever have any intention of banning the use of the word fuck in FOnline.
However, having it as a character name is lazy and juvenile. While there may be grounds for it in some cases, allowing it opens the gates for too much stupidity. I propose we just get some solid character name rules - no references to real places or people, no swearing, no leetspeak, maybe even, gasp, no numbers.
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What if Big McFuck manages to incorporate the name into the type of character he wishes to play? I'm talking tag skills, roleplaying choices etc.
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Whose to say that isn't the Fallout chars name? Remember I doubt most characters from Fallout know how to read much less pick and choose a name.
"My daddy always calls me Fuckinglittleshit but you can call me FLS for short!"
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if Hitler get banned in FOnline ( ;D ), why we can still see Che Guevara there? This name is anything better, fuckin mass murderer and left-wing fascist hiding murders behind ideals... :P
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if Hitler get banned in FOnline ( ;D ), why we can still see Che Guevara there? This name is anything better, fuckin mass murderer and left-wing fascist hiding murders behind ideals... :P
Thats the wierd thing, if they dont know an apparently "offensive" name when they see one how can they judge what is and isn't?
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"Hitler" still be there but "Gamemaster" was banned.. interesting politics.
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Yes, yes, rotating and rotating. It was said already that offensive nicknames will be banned when seen ingame.
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man, Hitler definitely has a place in post-apocalyptic wastland... be it "Hitler" or the Adolf Hitler...
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man, Hitler definitely has a place in post-apocalyptic wastland... be it "Hitler" or the Adolf Hitler...
I reported that Adolf_Hitler character yesterday when there were GMs on, but today I saw him in NCR again.
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• Npc on Tour: JEAH AND HITLER COMES FROM GERMANY. ASSHOLE.
Ugh. For your information, Hitler is austrian and he got his german ausweis in Braunschweig (http://e.deviantart.net/emoticons/r/rolleyes.gif)
@below
Why do you give a shit about replying if you don't care? Wow, you're retarded.
@below2
you sir are retarded if you think there is any point to discuss this STUPID RACISTIC PROVOCATING nick.
You're trying to drive the discussion off-topic. I suggest you take your hurts to private messages and stop trolling in this thread.
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Ugh. For your information, Hitler is austrian and he got his german ausweis in Braunschweig (http://e.deviantart.net/emoticons/r/rolleyes.gif)
i dont give a shit from where assholes comes.
also i dont give a shit from where your nick comes.
thats what i want to say with that.
nah.. i dont like smart alecks like you.
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@above again
"• GayNigger: my nick comes from a sci-fi movie"
you know my english isn´t very well, but i never said and did stupid things like this...
Wiki: the word "nigger" is denoted a racist and highly derogatory term for people with dark skin color.
It is used to make a social degradation, and to express a hierarchical relationship.
you sir are retarded if you think there is any point to discuss this STUPID RACISTIC PROVOCATING nick.
EDIT again @ this random guy.
that is everything you said here:
I own one.
What makes a nickname b&able? I own a nickname after a cool sci-fi movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0274518/) and I don't like the idea of being thrown out of here.
you should start discuss something before suggesting me to "shut up".
i just posted how your nick works on people like me (anti fascism)
your only "argument" is , its from a movie.- very smart.
if the words "gay" and "nigger" comes from a scifi movie then the fascism comes from germany. ::)
then you started insulting me:" you are retarded" you said.. -very smart.
thanks for opening this tread + you are a good example for those kind of nicks (and human characters)
life with that feedback, Gay Nigger
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TheBearJew.....?
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My two cents on this...
First off, having a character named hitler is offensive, and i wouldn't mind GMs deleting accounts after warning the player that they will delete it, and telling them to hide their items first if they are respectful about it, or at least not overly disrespectful.
Second, "Dead Baby" is valid to a point, i can think of one of the moronic "dead baby jokes" right off the top of my head, and thats probably where that comes from... as for naming your character "fuher"... "Gruppfuher" ring a bell? i've seen people with real german army ranks as names, also. When talking about Hitler, he was called "The leader" or "My Leader" if spoken of/to. if some one said "sturmfuher" he'd likely be talking about the leader of a assault force, not hitler back in WW2. at least as far as i've understood it, if anyone has vaild information saying other wise feel free to correct me.
Third, Names having cuss words, or other wise offensive words in them like "Fuck" should be allowed i think, i don't like them but i don't feel you should shoot people for being slightly stupid either.
Fourth having a language filter for names when you don't have one for words is some what pointless. i've seen a russian guy who liked saying "fack US!" in shout just to piss off US players so they'd attack him in NCR. no matter what you do people will always be stupid unless you knock the player count down to about 50 mature people, and even than you'll still have people who get bored like me and end up insulting some one
*And the two cents suddenly turn in to a mountain of em.*
cheers people.
-Ulrek-