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I've got some time to kill, and I feel like replaying the old Fallouts. To keep things fresh I'm thinking about trying it 'Iron-Man' style. Only one save, no reloading.
Has anyone ever tried this before? The biggest problem I can see is getting burned out by repeating the same parts of the game over and over if I die.
Anyone got any other restrictions to put forward to keep things challenging?
Besides not using Gifted and 'Rest Until Healed' (so I have to visit a doctor and pay to get patched up).
I want to try playing as a drug addict, but Fallout's addiction system is awful.
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It's going to be like nethack.
Restrictions? No encounter farming or travelling in worldmap to get health or spending time to restock shops. Pay everything with money and exchange goods only for money. No gambling farming.
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That seems like an awful lot of hell, my restrictions are i can only save in towns and whenever i make a drastic decision i force myself to stick with it without reloading game.
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I don't do most of them, but I like the paying for everything only in caps rule.
I may try and be an evil character too, they tend to get the raw end of the deal.
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Keep us updated, never tried the ironman mode. :D
Also, which difficulty you will be playing?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzSOKi_t5fg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDRsqz3iyks
I guess you can say it has been done.
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Can the games be finished without talking to anyone?
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No.
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But you can finish it without killing anyone except Frankie :) (Fallout 2).
Talking about hardcore mode for Fallout, I had a mod project - mod almost finished but computer crashed :/ - to make Fallout 2 much harder, because basically when you arrive in New Reno you get your first winchester, and I don't talk about the bozar used to kill Darion, etc, etc. The goal was to increase the survival aspect of the game. I suggest you to have max. 1-2 followers, not to tag Barter and not to farm random encounters (I never did it, never had the idea :D).
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But you can finish it without killing anyone except Frankie :)
Hey, you can even not kill him yourself (with turrets and/or enclave guards) but sadly I think it's still displayed in your kill count.
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Hey, you can even not kill him yourself (with turrets and/or enclave guards) but sadly I think it's still displayed in your kill count.
Yes, it is displayed. That's why you must kill him :(
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I'm not sure what difficulty to try it on. For F1 I'll crank up game and combat difficulty to rough, but I'm using a weapon mod with F2 that specifically recommends normal mode. Shame your mod got wiped, Izual, that sounds like it would've been a lot of fun. I have the habit of getting bored when my gear makes me a killing machine.
I'm also not orienting my build around perks - I can barely remember the requirements for any besides Toughness, so that's not really a problem. I'm thinking about only using first aid kits and doctor's bags (Can you use those in combat?) - no stimpaks. And sticking with pistols, just for the hell of it.
Anyone got anything else?
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I also played that style. But I didnt liked it because I was ofthen killed xD! That is for realy XP'reanced people.
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Yeah I have concluded Iron-Man is hard as balls. I'm abandoning that - I think it'd be survivable if your character was an absolute beast, but there's plenty of stuff that can go wrong in Fallout's combat that you have no control over.
I could do it with my current build, but that'd basically require me grinding my ass off in each area to guarantee I am definitely more powerful than the people I'm fighting.
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Yeah I have concluded Iron-Man is hard as balls. I'm abandoning that - I think it'd be survivable if your character was an absolute beast, but there's plenty of stuff that can go wrong in Fallout's combat that you have no control over.
I could do it with my current build, but that'd basically require me grinding my ass off in each area to guarantee I am definitely more powerful than the people I'm fighting.
I accept your challenge! Ill try the Iron Man mode and see how far I get without dieing :) I will fraps too.
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I accept your challenge! Ill try the Iron Man mode and see how far I get without dieing :) I will fraps too.
WELL CHECK OUT THE BIG BRASS ONES ON CRIMSON.
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WELL CHECK OUT THE BIG BRASS ONES ON CRIMSON.
Now I'm craving a burger, thanks a lot...
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;D Well I dont know exactly how far I will go but I will use a standard sniper character build with, get this, CHARISMA! Thats right. I will play a good guy and see just how far I can take it with that build, with all the unexpected pitfalls of unlucky crits, dialogue failures, and random spawns of death. Wish me luck! I will post updates as I upload videos of my adventures. I do not know however if I should put in commentary. I will probably exclude it for now as I simply feel I am not that interesting to listen to :)
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So under the guidance of an NMA member, I've trebled the weight of guns, doubled the weight of armour, and reduced the amount of ammo ingame. I'm hoping this'll make for a more interesting playthrough.
I'm also trying to tweak drugs in the way Izual suggested - instant benefit and an instant penalty. So taking jet gives 2AP but makes your armour class rock bottom and damage resistance bad.
I'm thinking of making buffout increase your damage resistance/HP at the cost of action points.
Booze reduces your perception but gives you damage resistance.
Anyone got any other suggestions?
I'm trying to think of a meaningful way to encourage eating food, but I have no idea how.
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Well, actually, yes, but it depends if you talk about Fallout 1 or Fallout 2.
I've installed Fallout 2 with rp 1.2 few days ago and there is something that troubles me... I've got 8% in Steal skill (untagged) and I can steal everything. And I mean EVERYTHING. I am spotted maybe 20, 40% of times, which is ridiculous. I stole the 3 bozars from Buster's guards so easily that I turned off the game. Seriously, that's annoying. At NCR I had so much loot that I seriously thought about going straight to Frisco to get caps.
About Fallout 1... I don't know, I played it maybe six months ago. I can't write an accurate comment on it as I could for Fallout 2. I will install it again.
Edit : Honestly, I never used drugs, in Fallout 1 nor in Fallout 2 nor in Tactics. So changing them won't make the game harder (at least for me). About weight... Well, I really don't think it is the way to go, unless armors and pistols were ridiculously light. Reducing starting Carry Weight might be good, however.
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Well, actually, yes, but it depends if you talk about Fallout 1 or Fallout 2.
I've installed Fallout 2 with rp 1.2 few days ago and there is something that troubles me... I've got 8% in Steal skill (untagged) and I can steal everything. And I mean EVERYTHING. I am spotted maybe 20, 40% of times, which is ridiculous. I stole the 3 bozars from Buster's guards so easily that I turned off the game. Seriously, that's annoying. At NCR I had so much loot that I seriously thought about going straight to Frisco to get caps.
About Fallout 1... I don't know, I played it maybe six months ago. I can't write an accurate comment on it as I could for Fallout 2. I will install it again.
Edit : Honestly, I never used drugs, in Fallout 1 nor in Fallout 2 nor in Tactics. So changing them won't make the game harder (at least for me). About weight... Well, I really don't think it is the way to go, unless armors and pistols were ridiculously light. Reducing starting Carry Weight might be good, however.
Serously, install the 2.x, not the 1.2! Buster guards don't have bozar, and much less bugs, much more content!
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2.0 is out ? :-\ Let's say I installed it... and... I'm off to go crying somewhere now... :(
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While you're at it, I'd encourage you to try Weapons Redone. It's my favourite weapon mod by a long shot.
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Do you have a tutorial or something for that Badger? I'd like to change the weight of weapons ect. too.
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No mod can get rid of the idocy in FO2, especially from mid-to endgame. I usually get bored with playing FO2 as soon as I arrive in Vault City. The rest just doesn't cut it for me, I rather play FO1.
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I make it down to Reno before I run out of Steam. This actually happened on the playthrough I was planning to embark on. Fallout 2's economic balance and difficulty curve really is horrible. The struggle up to Modoc is always the most entertaining part. Once you're all well equipped with a lot of ammo, it's just fish in a barrel.
As for modding the game, I just downloaded f2wedit from NMA and pointed it at my Fallout 2 directory. I've made some changes, but I haven't tested them out yet.
Oh, but make sure you set the files to read only before you start the game, else your changes will be overwritten.
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While you're at it, I'd encourage you to try Weapons Redone. It's my favourite weapon mod by a long shot.
I played with it a long time ago and I remember it's a very good mod, too. I'll install it, thanks for reminder !
The struggle up to Modoc is always the most entertaining part.
Totally-fockin'-agreein' !
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I don't know what would be required to keep that feeling throughout the game. It'd be an extensive overhaul. I can see encounter tables being the biggest problem. The further south you get, the more every hostile NPC has a decent gun. The game just throws guns at you by the time you hit Reno. Even if you don't grab them all, it feels a bit silly.
Plus, by then, you've got decent armour in stores/plenty of companions as backup. Everyone has a reasonable gun, and most shots by this point will be good old familiar 95%.
My guess is up to that point it still feels like a post-apocalyptic fight for survival. The best armour you'll have will be made out of leather, and you and your crew will most likely be wielding 10mms, shotguns and hunting rifles. Most fights feel pretty evenly matched.
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I don't know what would be required to keep that feeling throughout the game.
Remove southern towns and clone Modoc there instead... :/ Oh, save Vault 15, it's quite a correct map.
The best armour you'll have will be made out of leather, and you and your crew will most likely be wielding 10mms, shotguns and hunting rifles. Most fights feel pretty evenly matched.
Sounds very good.
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I really don't know what to do. Other than just grow old in Modoc.
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You can't save Fallout 2 from the munchkin thing. In Reno, you'll be able to fight 15-20 enemies at once, and as soon as you are in NCR, your enemies will wear CA (Darion's bodyguards), which means you simply can't just run there in a leather jacket. The main problem is only a "lack" of content in northern towns. However, as you said the problem mainly lies around New Reno. If it's not possible to edit rancom encounters there, I guess we can't do much about it... Removing good armors from northern traders might be a good start.
I heard modders like Brother Soifran were working on mods where you could be a farmer, so I guess we'll have to wait for that.
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i never played whit drugs no fallout, not even 3,drugs sux
never used drugs in FO too(exept 1 time when i used mentantss to enter BoS)
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While playing Fallout Tactics on multiplayer I created a HTH warrior and fed him up to his ears with psycho and gave him some mutagen as well. That thing was a walking tank, especially in a metal armour. He took SAW bursts to the chest with 1,2 hp of damage at best.
What I want to say drugs are fun.
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Are you using Killap's Restoration Project?
I was thinking of a small suggestion: never use Doctor/First Aid unless you got Doctor's Bag/First Aid Kit.
As for the food thing you said, well you can buy Jerky in Klamath, Iguana in NCR... you can stick to a simple rule: eat at least once or twice each day, so if got to do a long trip from one town to another, you'll have to buy food to survive. You can do the same with driks: remember you can get Nuka Cola from the vending machines.
I never tried the Iron Man mode. I might try it now after reading all these suggestions which make the game a lot more hardcore.