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I ASK MODERATORS TO REMOVE EVERY RESPONSE OF PEOPLE WHO DIDNT READED ALL. SCARED OF BIG AMOUNTS OF TEXT? FIND YOURSELF ANOTHER PLACE THEN, PUSSIE! (2 weeks mute on forum for em, pl0x :D)
This post gathers things which I (and some other people) tought in single piece of text. It is written by a person who played this game for long time (not oldest from everyone, but well, for sure I can call myself old fonliner) and its not aimed to younger players, haters or people who feel that everything is okay. Also, its written more because Im sentimental person than that I demand this things being implemented. Id love to see that kind of fallout online - but in fact it would be COMPLETLY new game. I suggest not to read things below if you dont will to read some... Yeah, Id call it whining. I also have to say that I like current fonline and Ill stick to it no matter what, but... I just had to write that down, for myself.
Ive been RP player for 9 months (and for the people who say that there's no RP in fonline: a) you didnt need it anyway or b) go fuck yourself and die, its YOUR problem that you suck too much to find it, not mine, it aint insult, it is harsh reality), I also PvPed, but I consider PvP and RP as really connected in wasteland game. I had really hardcore start, as first month of my playing was based just on dieing before I could fit the game reality. That times, and evolution of myself - I consider as best times. Everything was hard, everything was sharp, you could cut yourself everywhere, WASTELAND WAS HARSH. And now... its not.
Ive been evolving, tried to be flexible, to fight with new circumstances, to progress as world progressed, Ive seen changes in the Fonline and Fonliners too. I have to say that once everything was... pure? There werent any cooldowns and stuff was easy to get If you knew the reality and impossible to get if you were new. That gave place for those people who liked PvP, that gave place to those, who loved to be kicked in their asses every moment of their life. As wipe came it was decided that Fonline needs economy system. So we had blockades put on crafting. And I have to say that even if I like current look of crafting system, putting blockades on players is worst idea ever. The game stopped being free and pure, somehow.
Action caused reaction, A implied B, we got blockades, we started to fight em. Because yes, we are people, smart kind of monkey, and if you give us a blockade - accepting it would be proof of being weak, of denying mankind evolution and of surrender. Dont know bout the rest, but I am not surrender-guy type. So back to the story, after puting cooldowns on making stuff fighting for it became more important with every moment. We (players at all) couldnt play with simple and nice to work with character being good at everything, because it was not perfect at fighting, so we couldnt run around with LSW, because enemy would do their best to get miniguns. We couldnt run around with miniguns, because enemy would blabla to get Avengers. We couldnt run with Avengers, because enemy would pimp their ass up with jet to shot more times. We couldnt run around with jet, because players resigned from strength to get more EN and to have max HP. We couldnt run with max HP, because enemies blabla with max HP, best armor, fully drugged, best equipped, immune to damage and with 2x more man. We couldnt run with 2x more man, because they had 4x. We couldnt run with 8x more man, because we hated each other, the only thing that was connecting us was shared namecolorizing in order to beat guys who we hated even more. And from the pure sould we had cold war, which wasnt really that cold. We reached the finest, now compare max pimped powerbuild with any fallout series boss... Well, all of you have to say that Frank Horrigan would suck in real fight :)
And what do we have now, when we are complete? When only thing we can do is to try to beat our enemies once more, with some satisfaction, but without real one (at least for me?). What do we have now, running on drugs and using high tech stuff with characters who are complete pussies without a dose? I ask once again, what the fuck we became? It aint fallouty anymore, for sure.
You cant tell that this game isnt based on powerbuilds and powergaming, because we're monkeys and when we can, we will try to be as powerfull as possible, especially when prize of being cock or of dieing is relative nothing. Some stuff which isnt worth anything, because my 5 miners will get stuff in 30 minutes without breaking any rules at all :)
That is enough of my Darwin-inspirated whining, now the real suggestions for making wasteland as fuckin harsh as possible. I had to write that down, if not for Fonline - then for myself.
Imprezobus
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After that all, here's what I think bout the changes I'd love.
*remove cooldowns for everything
*remove 3rd tier of EQ from game, make it obtainable but not farmable, so when you see a player with minigun you can say "oh fuck, Im fucked" instead of "Ive got even bigger"
*reset character level after death to 1. With such thing implemented people who play long, care much, give their best would be awarded, as everyone living long in some place. This would make low tier weapons had any usage, because with a magnum revolver you could really kill a person w/o instantkill crit. That would make even a spear an useful thing. Whole EQ system would need adjustment, more below
*griefing in forms of killing people in protected city with PB from smg or dynamite should cause really extremal penaulties, no reputation dropping or extremally slow, no alts allowed, things can be done to achieve that. Put extremally restrict rules for breaking alts rules. Also, give some more ways to improve your reputation by ingame behaviour. Put player-based guards system in VC and NCR (something like small gang with permanent control of NCR, where guards would behave as that gang militia)
*in order to make game playable without alts, put 2x, 2.5x or 3x counter of skill points recieved per level (needs balancing, that way level 21 char should be really good at everything. Because if you survived to 21 - means you're the omnipotent fucker!
*Rethink profession system, make it based more on quests than getting money. (For example junktown SG trainer should for start let you know how to make simple guns, achieving possibility of making more complex things should be... More complex. What I mean that one guy shouldnt tell you EVERYTHING bout every weapon, one npc should be able to teach making 1-3 things. The knowledge what you have earned with your life should be "saveable" in cloning factilities (needs implementation too :f), what I mean if your character was once able to make assault rifle, after lvling up and getting skill requirements - should be able to make it once more, without repeating same quest. Saving your memories shouldnt be free too, but not extremally expensive (500 per recipe you can keep after death?). That would lead to characters being able to craft EVERYSHIT ingame, but after hard times of working (and additional time spent on training it back after death). That would benefit playing one character even more than making few alts.
*remove level gap, rethink perks and traits to balance em to fit Fonline more than Chosen One. Killing level 40 guy still wouldnt be impossible, but person who managed to make such character should be close-to-godlike
*put 2x counter or initial HP level, then let it progress normally or get any other way of balancing HP gain system, which fits Chosen One, but man, it seriously suck in Fonline.
*thats just part of things it'd need, but that what for we have the community. People who shares my vision (and I know that there are some) post your ideas here too, will be added with notification of the autors.
I realise the fact that it is completly new game... But isnt it a bit more what it should be? Of course every point needs discussion, brainstorm, ballancing...
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post for further suggestions, for me to edit
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post for further suggestions, for me to edit
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Well, noone want to type anything good, because I can see thier posts only at junk board ^_^
Well, I always wanted to see this:
*reset character level after death to 1. With such thing implemented people who play long, care much, give their best would be awarded, as everyone living long in some place. This would make low tier weapons had any usage, because with a magnum revolver you could really kill a person w/o instantkill crit. That would make even a spear an useful thing.
But of couse when I wrote "Delete character after death", I saw only answers like "Stupedest suckies useless suggestion ever". Well, this will make game active always, the only problem is:
*griefing in forms of killing people in protected city with PB from smg or dynamite should cause really extremal penaulties, no reputation dropping or extremally slow, no alts allowed, things can be done to achieve that. Put extremally restrict rules for breaking alts rules. Also, give some more ways to improve your reputation by ingame behaviour. Put player-based guards system in VC and NCR (something like small gang with permanent control of NCR, where guards would behave as that gang militia)
Everything is ok of couse, but anyway ... is it possible? There will be always ways to kill people at NCR.
It'll cause to 10+ level players to hide at bases and trade/mine/do something else with 1st level alts.
Get red of alts? How? Some kind of reputation/karma system? Probably, but... again, even if you can get this reputation/karma/whatever else by your main and the only character, I think you can do the same again with an alt, whatever it is.
Make everyone do everything? So you don't need an alt? Probably the best idea ever, but devs will never do that, they want players to play special roles, and it's ok, but these damned players playing alot roles at the same time, but separately. They have these damned alts anyway. So "player "must have his role" isn't working really, and will never work, because player can press "Registration" button everytime and make an alt, and you can't do anything to prevent him from this if he has a character already. Even reputation/karma/feeding/keeping a character (doing something for him to not autodelete him everytime) won't help, because again, if you can do that for your main character, you always can do the same for yout alt.
*put 2x counter or initial HP level, then let it progress normally or get any other way of balancing HP gain system, which fits Chosen One, but man, it seriously suck in Fonline.
I think it simply can replace Gambling skill with Bodybuilding, most players will up it to atleast 100%, powerbuilds wil tag it and up to 150%. I mean preventing HP gain/level, and make it totally dependant on this skill regardless of your level. It should be high enough from begin so 300% and starting ammount won't make huge difference, may be only x2 more.
So 1st level character won't have so much gap in health with a person focused in it.
Also EN rolls on crits can work together with that build to make alternative and more varied combat system against crit effects, etc.
Anyway find a way to remake HP by making gap between high and low lvl as low as possible.
Btw adding a skill who everyone want to use in PvP will cause lower main weapon skill and cause AC works properly. Because now powerbuiold focuses on his... of couse weapon skill, then he can put some points in FA or Doc or may be outdoorsman (waste), so anyway it could make game more varied.
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You can't blame people of being scared of a massive wall of grammar mistakes, but tha\t aside your suggestions are terrible and would totally kill this game. No one would ever play this if you lost all your levels every time you died. No level cap, getting reset to lvl 1 but still being able to craft, all these things are terrible ideas that would break the game and make it look like a poorly thought out fan mod made by some kid who's eaten too many pixie stix.
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You can't blame people of being scared of a massive wall of grammar mistakes, but tha\t aside your suggestions are terrible and would totally kill this game. No one would ever play this if you lost all your levels every time you died. No level cap, getting reset to lvl 1 but still being able to craft, all these things are terrible ideas that would break the game and make it look like a poorly thought out fan mod made by some kid who's eaten too many pixie stix.
I played true Fallout only first few days after wipe, because I saw people shoot each other with low tier equipment and when someone jumped into encounter noone knows who will kill each other, because alot people were equal. But then this game became filled with hight tier shit and 21st level characters, senseless and boring doing nothing, no progress, nothing.
Server wipe every week or 2 weeks will be good idea, but of couse noone will support this.
Character deleting/setting to 1st level after death is good idea too, and I don't see why it'll ruin game... Just say WHY? What will happen? With this XP rate you can make 21st level really fast, even if it'll be fixed (XP diminishing unfortunately won't be returned, and that's sad), of couse it'll be changed, and again, everytime I reading this:
You can't blame people of being scared of a massive wall of grammar mistakes, but tha\t aside your suggestions are terrible and would totally kill this game. No one would ever play this if you lost all your levels every time you died. No level cap, getting reset to lvl 1 but still being able to craft, all these things are terrible ideas that would break the game and make it look like a poorly thought out fan mod made by some kid who's eaten too many pixie stix.
I don't see atleast anything logical and explainable here.
It's the same if I'll post in any of your suggestions:
"Hmm, I think this suggestion sucks, because..emm.. because I don't like it, oh and you're a moron."
Making XPing easier if you will lose character after death will make game always active. People do it anyway, they evolve thier builds, they making other characters, etc. So it'll not change much, yeah, you won't have 438573234564 21st level characters anymore, because 425734986465 of them will die till 21st. It'll only change activity of game. May be every level up you'll get additional life for you character, but anyway it shouldn't be obtainable by any other source, because it must be limited, to prevent people from stupid suicidal acts, because if you don't have items your death is nothing.
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Ravenous you are the only one who would enjoy playing a game like that and would quickly find yourself alone in the wastes. Maybe your time has no value but other people don't want to start from scratch every time they die(Which can happen at any time to even high lvl chars if you have bad luck or get dced or something).
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I played true Fallout only first few days after wipe, because I saw people shoot each other with low tier equipment and when someone jumped into encounter noone knows who will kill each other, because alot people were equal. But then this game became filled with hight tier shit and 21st level characters, senseless and boring doing nothing, no progress, nothing.
Server wipe every week or 2 weeks will be good idea, but of couse noone will support this.
Character deleting/setting to 1st level after death is good idea too, and I don't see why it'll ruin game... Just say WHY? What will happen? With this XP rate you can make 21st level really fast, even if it'll be fixed (XP diminishing unfortunately won't be returned, and that's sad), of couse it'll be changed, and again, everytime I reading this:I don't see atleast anything logical and explainable here.
It's the same if I'll post in any of your suggestions:
"Hmm, I think this suggestion sucks, because..emm.. because I don't like it, oh and you're a moron."
Making XPing easier if you will lose character after death will make game always active. People do it anyway, they evolve thier builds, they making other characters, etc. So it'll not change much, yeah, you won't have 438573234564 21st level characters anymore, because 425734986465 of them will die till 21st. It'll only change activity of game. May be every level up you'll get additional life for you character, but anyway it shouldn't be obtainable by any other source, because it must be limited, to prevent people from stupid suicidal acts, because if you don't have items your death is nothing.
Actually, this doesn't sound that bad. I like it. But most of the players'll hate it.
Also, don't mind Roachor. He really earned his "Spammer" Achievment. ;)
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I would just make a character that's capable of HtH killing of centaurs (oh, I loose one perk and some skill points in a SG sniper powerbuild, what a shame!). I'd level till 21. Then I'd get a rifle. Any rifle. Then I'd grief the living shit of everyone I meet, because I'd be a CA wearing god and everyone else would be helpless. Some other people would do that too and we'd gang up to prevent getting killed by the use of first aid (we'd have godlike HP anyway, so no worries). We generally wouldn't fight other gangs, because it would be bad for business and wouldn't be worth it in terms of entertainment. After a week of that, people would get so scared they wouldn't even be travelling to the NCR. Fallout Online would become Fallout: The Cave, because that's about the only place people wouldn't be frightened about being in, turning 2238 into a frist mmorpg game entirely based around Plato's Allegory of the Cave. Eventually, everyone would get bored and run off to play something fun for a change.
Sorry, this shit will not fly.
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Well, the idea about crafting was to let people remember the recipe, but were unable to craft it until youd meet the requirements. You could make em like now you can craft 10mm gun regardless on level, based only on stats. So then, with combat+crafter character (and combat-ready would be even 8lvl char) you couldnt be able to make every item unless you spend 16x (with 2x counter) its 32x of skill-points/level on many skills. If you are able to make GOOD gun without a factory, you seem to be master of it (150? 180?).
And the definition of GOOD. Because for now for example tommy gun isnt dangerous weapon, and truth is that it should kill person in 2-3 series. (Game reality, not world reality, nor current 2238 with minigun-immune people reality)
Also, if 3rd tier wouldnt be craftable at all, obtainable via merchants or whatever, made prewar and being really-not-cheap-one stuff.
You havent readed it all roachor, or you havent understood.
Also, as RR said, minimalHP shouldnt be 1/6 of max HP.
With for example 80-90 initial level and 250 max It'd be really much better. That would make stuff really worthy shit, as being in metal armor would really mean something.
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No I did read it all, it's just unfortunate that people like you wander in and come up with these ridiculous ideas that are so fundamnetally flawed an infant could see why they wouldn't work and have other fools come in and bolster your stupidity. Ravenous has been pushing the same bullshit for as long as I can remember. As for my spammer title, it's completely undeserved as I have never spammed this forum ever. The GM's just don't like me because I speak the truth and don't back down, that's why it says spammer there. I actually care about this game and try to improve it and keep shitty ideas from coming to fruition, that's why I'm so involved in the forum. You should keep in mind that I've been here longer and know more about this and games in general than you do.
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As for my spammer title, it's completely undeserved as I have never spammed this forum ever.
Just to save that quote forever. ;)
The GM's just don't like me because I speak the truth
The Truth lies in dynamite shooting crossbows! :P
You should keep in mind that I've been here longer and know more about this and games in general than you do.
It doesn't matter how long one stays at the forum or the game etc. to have good ideas.
Also, to be honest, unfortunately there isn't that much of your "gaming wisdom" you've mentionend in your previous ~1400 posts.. Just saying.
Now back to topic. ;)
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"The Truth lies in dynamite shooting crossbows! " less retarded than 90% of the suggestions here and it was a joke. You guys obviously don't know what spamming means.
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I ASK MODERATORS TO REMOVE EVERY RESPONSE OF PEOPLE WHO DIDNT READED ALL. SCARED OF BIG AMOUNTS OF TEXT? FIND YOURSELF ANOTHER PLACE THEN, PUSSIE! (2 weeks mute on forum for em, pl0x :D)
This post gathers things which I (and some other people) tought in single piece of text. It is written by a person who played this game for long time (not oldest from everyone, but well, for sure I can call myself old fonliner) and its not aimed to younger players, haters or people who feel that everything is okay. Also, its written more because Im sentimental person than that I demand this things being implemented. Id love to see that kind of fallout online - but in fact it would be COMPLETLY new game. I suggest not to read things below if you dont will to read some... Yeah, Id call it whining. I also have to say that I like current fonline and Ill stick to it no matter what, but... I just had to write that down, for myself.
Ive been RP player for 9 months (and for the people who say that there's no RP in fonline: a) you didnt need it anyway or b) go fuck yourself and die, its YOUR problem that you suck too much to find it, not mine, it aint insult, it is harsh reality), I also PvPed, but I consider PvP and RP as really connected in wasteland game. I had really hardcore start, as first month of my playing was based just on dieing before I could fit the game reality. That times, and evolution of myself - I consider as best times. Everything was hard, everything was sharp, you could cut yourself everywhere, WASTELAND WAS HARSH. And now... its not.
Ive been evolving, tried to be flexible, to fight with new circumstances, to progress as world progressed, Ive seen changes in the Fonline and Fonliners too. I have to say that once everything was... pure? There werent any cooldowns and stuff was easy to get If you knew the reality and impossible to get if you were new. That gave place for those people who liked PvP, that gave place to those, who loved to be kicked in their asses every moment of their life. As wipe came it was decided that Fonline needs economy system. So we had blockades put on crafting. And I have to say that even if I like current look of crafting system, putting blockades on players is worst idea ever. The game stopped being free and pure, somehow.
Action caused reaction, A implied B, we got blockades, we started to fight em. Because yes, we are people, smart kind of monkey, and if you give us a blockade - accepting it would be proof of being weak, of denying mankind evolution and of surrender. Dont know bout the rest, but I am not surrender-guy type. So back to the story, after puting cooldowns on making stuff fighting for it became more important with every moment. We (players at all) couldnt play with simple and nice to work with character being good at everything, because it was not perfect at fighting, so we couldnt run around with LSW, because enemy would do their best to get miniguns. We couldnt run around with miniguns, because enemy would blabla to get Avengers. We couldnt run with Avengers, because enemy would pimp their ass up with jet to shot more times. We couldnt run around with jet, because players resigned from strength to get more EN and to have max HP. We couldnt run with max HP, because enemies blabla with max HP, best armor, fully drugged, best equipped, immune to damage and with 2x more man. We couldnt run with 2x more man, because they had 4x. We couldnt run with 8x more man, because we hated each other, the only thing that was connecting us was shared namecolorizing in order to beat guys who we hated even more. And from the pure sould we had cold war, which wasnt really that cold. We reached the finest, now compare max pimped powerbuild with any fallout series boss... Well, all of you have to say that Frank Horrigan would suck in real fight :)
And what do we have now, when we are complete? When only thing we can do is to try to beat our enemies once more, with some satisfaction, but without real one (at least for me?). What do we have now, running on drugs and using high tech stuff with characters who are complete pussies without a dose? I ask once again, what the fuck we became? It aint fallouty anymore, for sure.
You cant tell that this game isnt based on powerbuilds and powergaming, because we're monkeys and when we can, we will try to be as powerfull as possible, especially when prize of being cock or of dieing is relative nothing. Some stuff which isnt worth anything, because my 5 miners will get stuff in 30 minutes without breaking any rules at all :)
That is enough of my Darwin-inspirated whining, now the real suggestions for making wasteland as fuckin harsh as possible. I had to write that down, if not for Fonline - then for myself.
Imprezobus
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After that all, here's what I think bout the changes I'd love.
*remove cooldowns for everything
*remove 3rd tier of EQ from game, make it obtainable but not farmable, so when you see a player with minigun you can say "oh fuck, Im fucked" instead of "Ive got even bigger"
*reset character level after death to 1. With such thing implemented people who play long, care much, give their best would be awarded, as everyone living long in some place. This would make low tier weapons had any usage, because with a magnum revolver you could really kill a person w/o instantkill crit. That would make even a spear an useful thing. Whole EQ system would need adjustment, more below
*griefing in forms of killing people in protected city with PB from smg or dynamite should cause really extremal penaulties, no reputation dropping or extremally slow, no alts allowed, things can be done to achieve that. Put extremally restrict rules for breaking alts rules. Also, give some more ways to improve your reputation by ingame behaviour. Put player-based guards system in VC and NCR (something like small gang with permanent control of NCR, where guards would behave as that gang militia)
*in order to make game playable without alts, put 2x, 2.5x or 3x counter of skill points recieved per level (needs balancing, that way level 21 char should be really good at everything. Because if you survived to 21 - means you're the omnipotent fucker!
*Rethink profession system, make it based more on quests than getting money. (For example junktown SG trainer should for start let you know how to make simple guns, achieving possibility of making more complex things should be... More complex. What I mean that one guy shouldnt tell you EVERYTHING bout every weapon, one npc should be able to teach making 1-3 things. The knowledge what you have earned with your life should be "saveable" in cloning factilities (needs implementation too :f), what I mean if your character was once able to make assault rifle, after lvling up and getting skill requirements - should be able to make it once more, without repeating same quest. Saving your memories shouldnt be free too, but not extremally expensive (500 per recipe you can keep after death?). That would lead to characters being able to craft EVERYSHIT ingame, but after hard times of working (and additional time spent on training it back after death). That would benefit playing one character even more than making few alts.
*remove level gap, rethink perks and traits to balance em to fit Fonline more than Chosen One. Killing level 40 guy still wouldnt be impossible, but person who managed to make such character should be close-to-godlike
*put 2x counter or initial HP level, then let it progress normally or get any other way of balancing HP gain system, which fits Chosen One, but man, it seriously suck in Fonline.
*thats just part of things it'd need, but that what for we have the community. People who shares my vision (and I know that there are some) post your ideas here too, will be added with notification of the autors.
I realise the fact that it is completly new game... But isnt it a bit more what it should be? Of course every point needs discussion, brainstorm, ballancing...
Just to say before you start reading my opinions they're simply my opinions, also I have managed to read the whole wall of text :P.
To start off: "Remove cooldowns", cooldowns Keeps people from overly spamming vendors and the game in a whole. There would eventually be so much shit spawned in the game would be so laggy that it would need maintenance every 5 minutes of the day but this is of course only the long term scenario.
too many high tech overpowered gangs its not fallouty etc etc... (IF thats what you were getting at correct me if im wrong...) Totally agreed only Enclave, NCR, Master's Army (Limited but miniguns people), and BoS should have such large stockpiled of High tech weapons and armor. Although players should be able to get such equipment it should be more severely limited.
Resetting characters to level 1 after death is too much I'm sorry but I have to totally disagree. I'm sure other replies should fill in my reasons.
Making smg and dynamite killing in ncr impossible is not possible. Nuff said xD. People will find a away ::).
multiply certain amount of skill points for each lvl still depending on Intelligence would be much better since it would extremely lower the amount of alts and make the game much funner in terms of realism. After dissassemblng 100 guns you really think a guy would know how to put it back together or even make one eventually??? I think SO!
I can't comment on proffessions because I have never actually crafted before except maybe 10mms and 10mm jhps :P.
The level gap does suck but its still about the numbers im lvl 5 your lvl 3 who is more likely to win ?
More hp would hopefully make insta kills rarer and make realtime possible because you arent worried about your 135 hp becoming -200 hp in seconds from one burst.
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I would just make a character that's capable of HtH killing of centaurs
Yep and once youd get PKed or critically knocked down at lvl 20 and got back to lvl 1 :) (youre assuming you wont die at all until lvl 21 which is a merry wish)
I support this idea, theres some reason in it. Hmm, I like no cooldowns, HP and so on. THe problem is in Exp loss... it shouldnt be all I guess...
1) maybe half exp of the person killed goes to you or
2) maybe you lose half of hp when you die and killer nothing or
3) person killing stronger would get some part of its hp and exp loss when killing a lvl lesser than your own....or just one of them ( but then the lvls would need to be visible)
That would make the game more dynamic, what about skills? Someone will get lvl 21 then get killed and be lvl 1 and still have 200 SG? or the skills would reset?
Id like to see 3 in fonline, imo its in every mmo I guess, there would be some reason not to grief people and the stronger would you will need to defend more (assuming there would be self-defence system that would work like this: higher lvl gets attacked by lesser lvl, then without exp penalty Higher exp player can kill lesser lvl player without any reward (or maybe some part?) That would make the game interesting :D But its a mere fantasy seeing devs steps anyhow close to this :(
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THIS IS MY OPINIONS!
I am against the idea of the restart to level 1 after Death, Making this game "too" Hardcore will kill it. If you want a Restart to level 1 after Death , then make your own dedicated Hardcore server. This is all.
Theres no reason to whine about being a low level all the time, the reason why there's so many low level its because peoples dosen't want to work together, and also dosen't want to do anything they just wait for other peoples to get high level then exploit stuff to get their stuff. Doing so is, No Exp , Countless waste of time and also making the game poor. Theres a big lack of creativity , just look at the massive amounts of thieves in the game.
Look there's plenty of ways to level fast, like daily quest like Dogs of LA or Ants quest at San Francisco, both of these quest have a moderate but handfull reward.
Perhaps the biggest problem might be because many players dosen't understand English and thats why they relay on grinding mobs with stolen weaponries.
And the Wasteland dosen't need to get harsher as its already as mean as hell since theres no law.
Imprezobus imaginate that a gang dominate the server and they are all levels 21.... and they Dominate like BIG PKs and they try to make sure that no other players get some levels by killing them. Think of this.
Like some said and i said... making the game too Harshes will result in peoples getting tired of it faster at least 10 times more faster.
AND a big Notice..... I noticed that FOnline 2238 is the kind of game that require a strong cooperation tactic... alone its hard.. but when you work in team its getting fun and easier and theres waaaay more action then being alone. Its cool that you are an RP player but please peoples for the love of the Brahmin god! don't point yourself in a Town that is currently under TC you get killed because SOME believe that you are a spy of some rival factions and don't come under the single motivation of "Looting Like a Vulture" it won't work. If you want to get involved try contacting a Faction leader on the IRC or simply form up a gang with peoples that you trusts. The best way to RP in the wasteland is Gang RP heh i know its sounds funny but its like an insurrance.
And don't Forget.... North Towns = PVP South Towns = Training Towns
If the devs could add more quests with excellent reward in the South Towns it would better the gaming and more quest like the Tanker Quest from Klamath in the south it would make the game more interactive.
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THIS IS MY OPINIONS!
I am against the idea of the restart to level 1 after Death, Making this game "too" Hardcore will kill it. If you want a Restart to level 1 after Death , then make your own dedicated Hardcore server. This is all.
Theres no reason to whine about being a low level all the time, the reason why there's so many low level its because peoples dosen't want to work together, and also dosen't want to do anything they just wait for other peoples to get high level then exploit stuff to get their stuff. Doing so is, No Exp , Countless waste of time and also making the game poor. Theres a big lack of creativity , just look at the massive amounts of thieves in the game.
Look there's plenty of ways to level fast, like daily quest like Dogs of LA or Ants quest at San Francisco, both of these quest have a moderate but handfull reward.
Perhaps the biggest problem might be because many players dosen't understand English and thats why they relay on grinding mobs with stolen weaponries.
And the Wasteland dosen't need to get harsher as its already as mean as hell since theres no law.
Imprezobus imaginate that a gang dominate the server and they are all levels 21.... and they Dominate like BIG PKs and they try to make sure that no other players get some levels by killing them. Think of this.
Like some said and i said... making the game too Harshes will result in peoples getting tired of it faster at least 10 times more faster.
AND a big Notice..... I noticed that FOnline 2238 is the kind of game that require a strong cooperation tactic... alone its hard.. but when you work in team its getting fun and easier and theres waaaay more action then being alone. Its cool that you are an RP player but please peoples for the love of the Brahmin god! don't point yourself in a Town that is currently under TC you get killed because SOME believe that you are a spy of some rival factions and don't come under the single motivation of "Looting Like a Vulture" it won't work. If you want to get involved try contacting a Faction leader on the IRC or simply form up a gang with peoples that you trusts. The best way to RP in the wasteland is Gang RP heh i know its sounds funny but its like an insurrance.
And don't Forget.... North Towns = PVP South Towns = Training Towns
If the devs could add more quests with excellent reward in the South Towns it would better the gaming and more quest like the Tanker Quest from Klamath in the south it would make the game more interactive.
Yeah, Imprezobus' idea is just a sketch of what he would like to discuss, balance, brainstorm...
Ok. I somehow feel that would be good, really, its not like one gang will become powerfull and other gangs will be lvl 1's. There would be alliances and to be honest? Everyone would die anyway, so lvl 21 is really much considering they would get to lvl 1 or loss exp in any case, so that factions would be varied, and no its not about doing quests, its about TC and shit. More people would participate in TC... THe thing is there wouldnt be lvl 21 in one gang and lvl 10-15 in others just every gang would have varied lvls in their gang.
More hp and less high end weapons would mean you would really need to want to die to actually die.... Thats the point, more tactics more variety, more dynamics involving everyone to TC - real gaming.
Imprezobus I thought about something. High-end weapons/armors would be obtainable after meeting lvl requirement that way big factions wouldnt dominate all time, so that youd need to hunt with mauser anyway ;). Maybe minigun, LSW should be lvl 12+ (just an idea), other weapons armors appropriately
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Restarting at level 1 isn't a good solution, but your right, there has to be a disadvantage when you die. I guess the developers have the same opinion, some of you might remember "the hell". :D
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Restarting at level 1 isn't a good solution, but your right, there has to be a disadvantage when you die. I guess the developers have the same opinion, some of you might remember "the hell". :D
The hell was (and still is) on TLA, which haven't the same dev team.
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Prepare yourself, I may have to make a new suggestion all together but...
Although I see where you are coming from, I am an older Fallout Fan (not old FOnline) and am much more interested in quality RP and PtP interaction combined with diversely balanced combat system (weapon weakness/strengths) Right now its instant kill if you look away for 5sec at the wrong time.
Instead of restarting to lvl 1 when you die... I could see implementing cloning vats (images already available). Charge about 2000 caps perhaps raising the cost for higher lvls (1k+ each lvl?) Could say themely that you're charging more for the extended cloning process for older characters by taking into consideration their excessive physical or mental attributes. More of a balance issue simply to make the game easier for n00bz and harder for pr0z.
Perhaps in the future there could be 2 or 3 tiers of players (or whole worlds). 1st being basic, normal slightly gimped. 2nd is my personal favorite, standard which would be more RP encouraged/focused requiring a brief history of your character which you would base your actions off of (no major hassel from admins checking you unless you are a key RPer who is hurting the RP atmosphere by ignoring your own characters background). This would be extremely short, I am thinking 2 paragraphs, similar to what you would see when you recruit someone in fallout Tactics although there it was rather pointless, here it would be simply something for you to base your standpoint when RPing (interacting with players).
3rd, hardcore. No clones. (I don't know how much fun that is, just isn't quite my style too easy to go wrong as a pothead.)
Although I am a Fallout Fan (not to mention post apocalyptic/cyberpunk), I do not really care for the overall atmosphere here on FOnline which seems flooded with oversimplified EXP whores who belong on WoW since they must have forgotten the roots of Fallout which was in fact a true RPG
Sorry for the wall of text, it may seem a bit much but I come from a game which revolved around written theme/RP and developing your own storyline and playing it out with a complex yet balanced system (don't ask about the graphics)
Back on topic, with the cloning system you would also enjoy the new clone-failure possibility which means your stats/skills or new disadvantages could appear due to excessive cloning (nothing is perfect, after all). This would not only eliminate rampant suicide bombers and ridiculous rich powergamers from raping the game to the point of causing the average player to giving up... it would mean you learn to appreciate your life since we all know the caps just never is enough. Money is worthless unless there is a limit to it, as usual.
There is a large lack of creativity on the players part in this game and it is sad. Problem is there is no requirement, encouragement or even much incentive to do so unless it is a completely personal mission (as I do, except I must whore myself to the point of being able to do so 1st, no its not fun)
Fast exp is a real shit way of improving the game, it would again oversimplify the game and only diminish variety, if anything it should be slower.
Faction vs Faction interaction should be a constant issue, allies, enemies, neutrality agreements. Allowing them to track each others bases (only from your base? by using the computer after sending a distress call from your factions designated radio channel? something) Recon, infiltrate, back stab? :)
Surprisingly, I enjoy the harshness of any game, its more of a hardcore competition that would otherwise be too easy to be fun. I actually believe the key to improving the game might actually make it more harsh but I would actually remove repetitive and utterly childish ridiculously out of theme WoW bullshit. (Lots of lame shit goes on, constant random PKs for absolutely no reason other than complete paranoia that if they don't do it, it will happen to them. Stalking n00bz by following them from NCR [remove allowance of follow without double tag or reduce chance to follow 50%), constant thievery in guarded towns is plain stupid, unless they have uber stealth. Thievery should be reduced, real thieves don't like to get caught and real thieves don't waste their time on every little stupid thing they can possibly get their hands on. That is more of a crackhead ordeal that usually is short lived and unfortunately isn't here. By reforming the game to slowly progress back to its roots... we could bring back the theme.
And no, the easter egg hunts are retarded and way out of theme... I'll suggest a much better Halloween replacement later that is more themely.
Key is simplicity, easy steps first. I could go on for a while but I doubt I would get anywhere.
The fact everyone talks on MiRC, or other messenger systems makes it hard to keep RP, In-game, hence why people say radios are useless besides distress calls (which is lame). Bars should be built up bigger for large RP hangouts (guarded even in some unguarded towns, only in bars. add turrets?)
I really hate the idea of players cooperating mainly with people they can trust OOCly instead of ICly testing them and RPing it out. I would actually support any ideas that promote stabbing each other in the back and making it worthwhile to go solo or stab your friends in the back more often (not overly crazy but its ridiculous at this point). Its not the end of the world, zero-day was actually quite some time ago. Fuck fellow mankind.
After beta I suggest, limiting characters to 2-3 also per account.
I actually have a great idea for improving PtP interaction when it comes to dialogue to differentiate from the usual short msgs over chars...
Bring up the actual dialogue menu when you click on a character, skip the barter down the slider, just use the button here... (bars, trading mainly?)
There you may talk or /emote freely allowing creative RP between characters/players. (I actually would love a new pose command but that is futuristic)
Improving solo/small group possibilities is cool, that way people won't group up too much and it is a reasonable option not to follow the bandwagon.
I think faction bases should be attacked by GMs and or other factions once identified on their base channel on a regular basis (Bi-weekly?) That way factions must defend themselves (not just handed gear they may actually lose and enemy may bail with whatever loot they can get if they feel that way.)
The more people you have to trust, the more paranoid you should be. Currently its the other way around, harsh enough to forget about trust but not in a lame way so this doesn't turn into a post apocalyptic EXP/questing game instead of one of the greatest oldschool RPGs we all loved. (Fuck WoW)
Sorry, hope that helps. I think you had the right target but you needed a scalpel instead of a hatchet to carve out your masterpeice. ;)
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The cooldown system is fine for the most part, its just inevitable.
*Rethink profession system, make it based more on quests than getting money. (For example junktown SG trainer should for start let you know how to make simple guns, achieving possibility of making more complex things should be... More complex. What I mean that one guy shouldnt tell you EVERYTHING bout every weapon, one npc should be able to teach making 1-3 things. The knowledge what you have earned with your life should be "saveable" in cloning factilities (needs implementation too :f), what I mean if your character was once able to make assault rifle, after lvling up and getting skill requirements - should be able to make it once more, without repeating same quest. Saving your memories shouldnt be free too, but not extremally expensive (500 per recipe you can keep after death?). That would lead to characters being able to craft EVERYSHIT ingame, but after hard times of working (and additional time spent on training it back after death). That would benefit playing one character even more than making few alts.
I don't think PvE quests are so much important for fallout Online, more of a single player deal if you ask me. Online we should focus on PtP interaction and allowing mini storylines to build that would eventually produce good posts of screenshots/logs of quality RP and explosive combat events.
I prefer to call it 'updating' your clone. So you will update frequently as you feel necessary in order to retain stats/skills but also to remember players/events/anything really if you are true to your RP. I know it seems complicated, but simply adding a short description to each character (@ registry) by having players choose a height/weight (nothing overly general, average average is stupid). Then implementing a memory system that would allow chars to save nicknames to chars at free-will. Remembering them after death would only be possible if you updated for instance.
Yes, it is complicated but there is quite a few simple fixes and simplifying the complicated ones will make programming them much easier.
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Interesting read, and I definitely interesting ideas. However, I'm afraid you will unfortunately find that to a better part of players here FO is pretty much an extremely competitive substitute for, say, Diablo. With the added benefit of having a gang-supporting system in place.
Take a moment to read this http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=5804.0 (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=5804.0), in particular point four. Especially, in fact, point four. Just to clarify, I mean the observation the paragraph begins with, not the proposed method of dealing with it.
Ideas attempting to introduce certain degree of "realism" as understood within the definition of the world of Fallout are very likely to be met with strong opposition - from a perspective of a player disinterested in the RP aspect of Fallout such changes would produce no desired effect whatsoever. On the other hand, because of such high competitiveness requiring constant practice to hone particular elements of the game, each change has a likelihood of requiring reinventing approaches to the competitive side of the game.
Frankly, this seems to be the core aspect of stonewalling any discussions about issues that tangentially affect the real-time combat part of the game, as you may have noticed in the discussions about suicide bombers, added repercussions and considerations for stealing, and use of arguably exploitative tactics. That aside, there is also the fact that, from a standpoint of a player treating FO in Diablo-esque way, there is no need for such changes.
I am also of opinion that FO would greatly benefit from a shift toward representing the RP side of the game to a greater degree, but have low hopes of that happening precisely for the reasons above.
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in particular point four.
I am also of opinion that FO would greatly benefit from a shift toward representing the RP side of the game to a greater degree, but have low hopes of that happening precisely for the reasons above.
I'm struggling to think of anyone who is "good" in Fallout 1 or 2. :P
As for the OP.
Resetting to level 1 is just not an option. We want people to go out and do stuff, if they had the potential to have most of their efforts wiped on each death it would cause most people to exist only where friends are. Ie bases or encounters. Can you imagine what TC would become with this? :P
Don't see the need for removing cooldowns, under any cicrumstnaces really. Ideally we get to the point where most players don't notice them.
Restricting 3rd tier, sure. Via unguarded specific locations where these things are unguarded. Increases the travel required and increases the risk of crafting such items. Also make them more rare at traders, so its not just a matter of camping them. Net effect is a redutionin numbers.
Best idea here is the profession givers. However this requires dialogue work, so we will see how out upcomimng contest for dialogue writers goes. (There are many things which need dedicated dialogue writers to spend time on them).
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Interesting read, and I definitely interesting ideas. However, I'm afraid you will unfortunately find that to a better part of players here FO is pretty much an extremely competitive substitute for, say, Diablo. With the added benefit of having a gang-supporting system in place.
Take a moment to read this http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=5804.0 (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=5804.0), in particular point four. Especially, in fact, point four. Just to clarify, I mean the observation the paragraph begins with, not the proposed method of dealing with it.
Ideas attempting to introduce certain degree of "realism" as understood within the definition of the world of Fallout are very likely to be met with strong opposition - from a perspective of a player disinterested in the RP aspect of Fallout such changes would produce no desired effect whatsoever. On the other hand, because of such high competitiveness requiring constant practice to hone particular elements of the game, each change has a likelihood of requiring reinventing approaches to the competitive side of the game.
Frankly, this seems to be the core aspect of stonewalling any discussions about issues that tangentially affect the real-time combat part of the game, as you may have noticed in the discussions about suicide bombers, added repercussions and considerations for stealing, and use of arguably exploitative tactics. That aside, there is also the fact that, from a standpoint of a player treating FO in Diablo-esque way, there is no need for such changes.
I am also of opinion that FO would greatly benefit from a shift toward representing the RP side of the game to a greater degree, but have low hopes of that happening precisely for the reasons above.
Screw Diablo. Treating fallout like it should be WoW or Diablo simply so you can retain a large number of players who actually care nothing about theme not to mention have no sense of actually RPing a character... You can either market a game to sell by repeating processes that work or create something new and accept the loss in players as the cost.
No Pain, No Game.
Honestly, I wouldn't even bother to continue playing if it doesn't return to its roots eventually. I'm sure many already have quit due to this, which probably were the best RP'er FOnline had to offer unless we can manage to bring it back.
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I'm struggling to think of anyone who is "good" in Fallout 1 or 2. :P
Out of the top of my head? Tandi (F2 - NCR is as much a power play as a genuine intent to help people) and Harold. There was a particular dialog from somebody among Children of Apocalypse that rings faint bell. Hm, Marcus, and the paladin he befriended, arguably.
It's not so much about "good" but rather "not a ravening lunatic." There were definite repercussions for going all gung-ho on every NPC encountered.
Without repeating what one of the Cats wrote too much, right now there is absolutely no in-game incentive to not consider taking advantage of every player encountered, even if it means, in game terms, shooting a non-hostile stranger.
Even considering the history of the Wild West (actual history, not the movie-presented, gunfight-filled farce), there was little tolerance toward such personalities, even if the individuals were not actively presenting them toward inhabitants of a settlement. Bounty hunters were more often than not reviled for the work they did (although, admittedly, this was also because of the cultural conditioning of Christianity that disapproved of it in general).
This is actually what the Karma system in F1 and 2 simulated - the inevitable spread of rumor and gossip that, sooner or later, would pin an individual as either a hero or ruthless villain.
Current reputation system, since it does not protect players until certain conditions are met, makes them logical targets when considering game mechanics.
Just thought I'd clarify my stance a bit more.
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Screw Diablo. Treating fallout like it should be WoW or Diablo simply so you can retain a large number of players who actually care nothing about theme not to mention have no sense of actually RPing a character... You can either market a game to sell by repeating processes that work or create something new and accept the loss in players as the cost.
I think you are confusing this game with... well. That one http://www.interplay.com/ (http://www.interplay.com/)
This is a mod developed by fans in their spare time. Personally, I am grateful for it even existing, though it probably seems quite the contrary. The proverbial "grateful player," for a non-commercial project, seems to be a mythical beast which can be very rarely spotted 8)
If it turns out not to be my cup of tea, I already had plenty of fun treating it as extended single-player game. Hard to hold this against anybody just because it could have been different. If I want to play my very own vision of Fallout, I better start cranking out the code ;)
Of course, that will not stop me adding my suggestions - until it is indicated by one of the developers they do not share my view of a particular feature, and even then I'll probably try at least one more argument. Or I give up on this project as being something that would suit my interests. Or, most likely, take a break and come back to try the official final release.
Honestly, I wouldn't even bother to continue playing if it doesn't return to its roots eventually. I'm sure many already have quit due to this, which probably were the best RP'er FOnline had to offer unless we can manage to bring it back.
Very likely, since anybody trying to RP in FOnline is going to get the short end of the stick promptly. Applied in no uncertain terms without any lube. A shame.
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Ideas attempting to introduce certain degree of "realism" as understood within the definition of the world of Fallout are very likely to be met with strong opposition - from a perspective of a player disinterested in the RP aspect of Fallout such changes would produce no desired effect whatsoever. On the other hand, because of such high competitiveness requiring constant practice to hone particular elements of the game, each change has a likelihood of requiring reinventing approaches to the competitive side of the game.
I didn't mention anything realistic, clones are futuristic. My aims are reasonablism. If you want to follow the crowd, sure you'll get some votes but sometimes leaders have to understand that people don't know whats good for them until you force them to at least try it.
As a player interested in the RP aspect of Fallout, I understand that letting the RP aspect go literally kills the game. Literally.
To tell the truth, it becomes just a an online version of Fallout modded to suit Diablo/WoW players needs. Like I give a shit that those games weren't enough for you and this shit had to be marketed on the classic which I'd like to think couldn't be matched. Certainly changing it to market this younger crowd of hack&slash, exp whore and give a shit besides clicking... Sides, anyone who plays this game simply like they play Diablo isn't here to stay, they're just here until they find another hack&slash that distracts them for a while until they find another. The # of players I've heard are bored and admit the game is rather boring after you realize the repetitiveness involved caused by this 'belief'. This belief that Fallout will still be Fallout if we market it right and forget about its roots which makes no sense considering this is a revision of a classic that is now being turned into a modification of MMO that attracts people, not necessarily the right people but at least you have your numbers. Which are quite noticeable if you count jackasses.
Something tells me I will just be beating a dead horse, I completely support dropping tons of players if they think by slowly progressing toward being more RP focused... that we would ruin the game. I just doubt admins or those players would accept it. Although I don't see them losing much besides changing graphics and still clicking, oh yeah, you'll have more mods/cheats for Diablo which is only another reason why you don't want a large # of power/lame gamers on here... they're known to create more work for the Dev/GM team only delaying otherwise productive process.
Fallout was more the type of game to enjoy, not to win. RP is the same way, its never ending. Until you give the game away to market MORE PLAYERS, that you WON'T interact with. Interaction is so rare, I'm confident Diablo-esque type players are the ones to thank. Oh yeah, thanks.
Sheepify: You aren't a player. You are a tester and you are telling them what you think. Problem is you think about marketing the game when its not even for sale so although you may want another WoW/Diablo, I honestly know anyone who put in the effort to rebuild Fallout into an online MMO... built it because they knew this classic was still unmatched to this day. But converting it to suit kids market will just kill it. I mean sure it will sell, but it will go to shit.
The fact that this game will more than likely never be for sale is all the more reason NOT to market it and hurt the game because of it. (Donations from kids suck anyways, admit it. Probably from hack&slashers in general since they could just find another easy enough)
I can be an EXP whore for a moment, but within a month I'm confident I will bore of repetition if RP is forgotten. So although you claim you are grateful, you are grateful for them marketing 'your' crowd, not the original roots which was obviously the reason for investing time to bring back the classic.
That is fine, I have no interest in another hack&slash click clacker. Just not my style. Although I don't see why you want writers/more quests/dialogue. All you need is job systems since RP has no matter. Quests are a weak very simple type of RP with little options.
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Mate, I'm a.. uh, about week-old player. And, as somebody who spent the last fifteen years working on various RP multiplayer projects, I share your pain. It was very much the lure of Fallout that brought me over here when it was mentioned on slashdot.
So far, though, I'm having fun simply losing myself in the Fallout illusion. Given that the mechanics alone are being worked on with detail and consideration, I sincerely doubt this mod will have problems with maintaining its population - for somebody treating it as action-RPG (oh, how doth I hate this term), coupled with Fallout settings, it is a very entertaining game. Given the competitiveness level here, it's pretty much guaranteed to maintain a core group of players until at least some time after the official release, since mechanics will be tweaked and adjusted in the meantime. After? I lost my crystal ball to a party that, as usual, completely derailed the adventure I had in store for them ;D
tl:dr version: Preaching to the choir. I'm the one with the squeaky voice on the left side.
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I don't really see how Marcus, Harold or Tandi were inherently good, but I was more meaning organisations.
The fact that this game will more than likely never be for sale is all the more reason NOT to market it and hurt the game because of it. (Donations from kids suck anyways, admit it. Probably from hack&slashers in general since they could just find another easy enough)
I can be an EXP whore for a moment, but within a month I'm confident I will bore of repetition if RP is forgotten. So although you claim you are grateful, you are grateful for them marketing 'your' crowd, not the original roots which was obviously the reason for investing time to bring back the classic.
It will never be for sale. Donations are by players for the continuation of their server (for other players to use) it makes no difference to us what size of donations we recieve outside of the costs of the server being met. We have no particular interest in making it either for PvP players or RPers or marketing it at all, indeed. If its interesting it gets done.
Although I don't see why you want writers/more quests/dialogue. All you need is job systems since RP has no matter. Quests are a weak very simple type of RP with little options.
Then RP is player led and needs nothing from us. ;)
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As for the OP.
Resetting to level 1 is just not an option. We want people to go out and do stuff, if they had the potential to have most of their efforts wiped on each death it would cause most people to exist only where friends are. Ie bases or encounters. Can you imagine what TC would become with this? :P
Don't see the need for removing cooldowns, under any cicrumstnaces really. Ideally we get to the point where most players don't notice them.
What would it make to TC? Players/Gangs wouldnt be equal and depend what bigger gun you have but the levels would be different. HP would be boosted, that way there would be more tactics, surprise (some big lvl coming to TC) and it would be harder to die. I already wrote:
Ok. I somehow feel that would be good, really, its not like one gang will become powerfull and other gangs will be lvl 1's. There would be alliances and to be honest? Everyone would die anyway, so lvl 21 is really much considering they would get to lvl 1 or loss exp in any case, so that factions would be varied, and no its not about doing quests, its about TC and shit. More people would participate in TC... THe thing is there wouldnt be lvl 21 in one gang and lvl 10-15 in others just every gang would have varied lvls in their gang.
More hp and less high end weapons would mean you would really need to want to die to actually die.... Thats the point, more tactics more variety, more dynamics involving everyone to TC - real gaming.
Imprezobus I thought about something. High-end weapons/armors would be obtainable after meeting lvl requirement that way big factions wouldnt dominate all time, so that youd need to hunt with mauser anyway . Maybe minigun, LSW should be lvl 12+ (just an idea), other weapons armors appropriately
I support this idea, theres some reason in it. Hmm, I like no cooldowns, HP and so on. THe problem is in Exp loss... it shouldnt be all I guess...
1) maybe half exp of the person killed goes to you or
2) maybe you lose half of hp when you die and killer nothing or
3) person killing stronger would get some part of its hp and exp loss when killing a lvl lesser than your own....or just one of them ( but then the lvls would need to be visible)
That would make the game more dynamic, what about skills? Someone will get lvl 21 then get killed and be lvl 1 and still have 200 SG? or the skills would reset?
Id like to see 3 in fonline, imo its in every mmo I guess, there would be some reason not to grief people and the stronger would you will need to defend more (assuming there would be self-defence system that would work like this: higher lvl gets attacked by lesser lvl, then without exp penalty Higher exp player can kill lesser lvl player without any reward (or maybe some part?) That would make the game interesting But its a mere fantasy seeing devs steps anyhow close to this
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What would it make to TC? Players/Gangs wouldnt be equal and depend what bigger gun you have but the levels would be different. HP would be boosted, that way there would be more tactics, surprise (some big lvl coming to TC) and it would be harder to die. I already wrote:
There would be no TC. There would also be about 5% of the player numbers.
Nice Boat has already described what would happen, except his guys would also occasionally die and they'd have to regraind their levels before griefing again.
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There would be no TC. There would also be about 5% of the player numbers.
Nice Boat has already described what would happen, except his guys would also occasionally die and they'd have to regraind their levels before griefing again.
Well that depends if he and hes friends would be willing to exp the character for a moment of fame or fight with their current lvls to achieve or maintain TC over a town... well if for such a long time hed like to do it, it would be a present for the controlling faction... (maybe TC reward should be bigger)
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I can save a lot of posts by just saying it will never happen.
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I can save a lot of posts by just saying it will never happen.
But there has to be a disadvantage when you die. Do you agree with that?
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I can save a lot of posts by just saying it will never happen.
Fine. Personally I think it would make the game more dynamic more people participating in TC but who wants all that?
Maybe half of exp then :p
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End of the line.
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But there has to be a disadvantage when you die. Do you agree with that?
There is already the disadvantage of respawn and losing your stuff. Denying someone the reward for winning is much better than being overly harsh for their losing.
One rewards players for playing and encourages it, the other punishes players for trying things and discourages players.