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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => Suggestions => Topic started by: kraskish on June 08, 2010, 12:58:10 am
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Hello,
I believe that hunting riffle changed its purpose in fonline since couple of months, before .223 was well available the hunting riffle served as a cheap choice for snipers, but now theres no choice, if youre rich enough to buy .223 ammo you probably could buy sniper riffle as well. The point is that hunting riffle became obsolete while theres no low-tier ammo for low-tier weapon.
My suggestion is to make hunting riffle shooting for example 10mm AP. Its low-tier but more expensive than normal ammo as .223 ammo was before the changes to lvl3 gunsmith. What do you think?
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I use hunting rifle , and I don't want to buy a sniper rifle. You may hunt for ghouls and have some 223 ammo, no need to buy them.
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Yes just wait a moment... until I will hunt for ghouls which are too badass for for 4 mid lvl people I will have something better, like assault riffle. Hunting riffle is for animals/cows. Slavers used them it was a common thing, now it is not.
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Actually, those Crazies or Scavengers aren't that of a bad thing.
I even go to hunt with a friend ingame sometimes. I am unarmed (punch them with my fists with my average crafting character), he throws knifes. Just try it around Gecko in some urban areas where you can hide between buildings, take out the Assault Rifle/Hunting Rifle Ghouls first, the rest is easy. :)
But at the topic I have to agree, back 1 wipe I used the hunting rifle pretty often. Now I just use the Sniper Rifle, because if I have the money to buy some .223 in a amount to go kill a few things, I also have the money to buy a Sniper Rifle, isntead a hunting rifle. The suggestion is good in my book. :)
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It's pretty stupid having the same ammo for a lvl 1 gun and end game weapons
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I remember seeing somewhere that the gun used to shoot .308 bullets, but was converted to .223. Maybe an implementation of .308 bullets would fix this?
It just doesn't make sense that you can craft the gun but not the ammo. If you're hunting the ghouls for their ammo, you might as well just take their guns too.
Either way, there needs to be a lower tier option for snipers. BB guns are nearly useless, we can't craft pipe rifles (but even if we could they'd be just as useless), and the only option we have at the first profession level, we can't make ammo for.
So either give us .223 ammo at SG lvl 1 or give the hunting rifle a different ammunition type. Either one makes me happy.
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Hm, I've been thinking this too. One one hand the LSW and Sniper should be hard to get ammo for, on the other Hunting rifle is the low tech sniper rifle. New ammo for the Hunting Rifle seems to be the obvious answer.
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isnt assault rifle that kinda a rifle you are talking about ? :> I mean it is cheap replacement with cheap ammo ^^
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AR is meant to be the option to give you the most flexability. You won't snipe as well as a sniper or burst as well as a burster, but you have access to both modes when the situation demands it.
Hunting rifle should just be easy to get and maintain.
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AR is meant to be the option to give you the most flexability. You won't snipe as well as a sniper or burst as well as a burster, but you have access to both modes when the situation demands it.
Hunting rifle should just be easy to get and maintain.
Yes, it was widely used both in F2 - slavers as it was in Fonline before, but now its just crazies. Ok I agree its powerfull but maybe could be made in 2 wariants? .223 that you get from ghouls and some cheaper 10mm PA version? the 2nd would have lesser damage because all of a sudden every would hunt with them. Something needs to be changed hehe wasteland changed to a western a bit :p (at least in low tier weapons)
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well you changed the Hunting Rifle once(gave it 5 ammo,not 10)and you wanna change it again? is good the way it is
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well you changed the Hunting Rifle once(gave it 5 ammo,not 10)and you wanna change it again? is good the way it is
Ok, so without changes to the gun, but for the ammo type...
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well you changed the Hunting Rifle once(gave it 5 ammo,not 10)and you wanna change it again? is good the way it is
It would remain exactly the same, except not share ammo with the sniper, .223 and LSW. Its ammo could then be easily available in encounters without making it easy to get ammo for the previously mentioned weapons.
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Well nato rounds although visually identical (what lsw uses) to .223 aren't the same, the lsw is clip fed where the rifle is hand loaded. Why not have .223 rounds and 5.56x45mm for the lsw? Have higher crafting requirements for the 5.56x45mm and possibly less ridiculous stats. .223 is the best ammo in the game and in bursts fire does crazy damage, maybe knock down the DR mod by half for 5.56x45mm.
Oh and for any complaints about it being "unfallouty" the lsw was from the late 60's and imho shouldn't be in game.
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i think we really could use some different ammo for the Hunting rifle. I usually hunt ghouls near necropolis, u can say i hunt em alot, and im not using .233 ammo myself, but just feed my friends sniper with it, but atm i have around 80 .233 - collected in 3 days. I think that if i used hunting rifle, i would spend all of that on ghouls themselves.
Not sure bout the ammo but i fink that it should be the same lvl of tech as the rifle. .45?
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but here comes a problem:the .223 pistol is using .223 ammo and you need a hunting rifle for it
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Make the Sniper Rifle use 7.62 ammo? .308 rounds that are mentioned in the description are basically your 7.62 rounds. And they seem to be more suitable for a military grade rifle..
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but here comes a problem:the .223 pistol is using .223 ammo and you need a hunting rifle for it
? I dont see a problem? Crafting of hunting riffle wouldnt change if the ammo was changed...
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Make the Sniper Rifle use 7.62 ammo? .308 rounds that are mentioned in the description are basically your 7.62 rounds. And they seem to be more suitable for a military grade rifle..
Well, both 7.62 and .223 would be restricted in their manufacture in different ways. 7.62 would be specific to NPC factions and .223 would be a more open crafting process.
I think just adding .308 might turn out to be the best solution.
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whit this i agree:new ammo for lvl 1 crafter
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I think just adding .308 might turn out to be the best solution.
Difference between .308 and 7.62 is the same as between 5.56 and .223. Nearly none apart ones for civil use, ones more military. Dimensions dont differ.
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? I dont see a problem? Crafting of hunting riffle wouldnt change if the ammo was changed...
because .223 pistol is end game pistol and would be garbage if it used 10mm
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Difference between .308 and 7.62 is the same as between 5.56 and .223. Nearly none apart ones for civil use, ones more military. Dimensions dont differ.
http://www.303british.com/id36.html
According to this, there's actually a slight size difference. As with the 5.56 and .223. Not a huge difference, but enough to warrant a separate rifle.
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Actually gathering 223 on ghouls with a sniper character armed with a sniper rifle is very easy, you use 1-2 bullets per ghoul, actually when I go for ammo hunting on ghoul crazies i use 8-12 223 bullets to kill the AR and HR crazies, and don't bother with the rest carrying out of the encounter 30+ rounds +HR's and AR's.
Changing the ammo in the HR will generate a problem withe the 223 pistol like mentioned before, i suggest changing the ammo in HR to new 0.308 cal (springfield rifle?), and replace the HR required to craft 223 pistol with a sniper rifle, because, like mentioned before, it's an end game pistol, and HR is to easy to get.
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Sorry, just realized that it's the sniper rifle, not the hunting rifle that was originally .308. Still, giving the hunting rifle .308 would solve all the problems and make it a feasible weapon.
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Here comes a bump!
I really think this should be implented. The hunting rifle needs easier to get ammo. Before it turns into a viable weapon.
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Instead of restating my opinions on this issue, just click below
It's a bug. (http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=5953.0)
(Hey, as long as we're linking to the other times this has been brought to the devs attention, I thought I might as well, right?)
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I see two possible solutions.
A> Change the Sniper Rifle to some other type of ammo and make .223 more available through crafting and purchase
B> Add new types of .223 ammo besides FMJ (like JHP and AP) and make some of them more easilly craftable.
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I think it's a shameful oversight that a low tier weapon requires HQ materials to make ammunation for it. I'm all for changing the hunting rifles ammo type to something else. we can then change the .223 ammo to be better balanced for the weapons that use it.
Early snipers should have an option right away just like big gunners do (flamer)
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Well, both 7.62 and .223 would be restricted in their manufacture in different ways. 7.62 would be specific to NPC factions and .223 would be a more open crafting process.
I think just adding .308 might turn out to be the best solution.
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Does that response include .223 no longer requiring HQ mats? cause that's the big issue I think.
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.308 would be for the hunting rifle, .223 for everything else. .308 wouldn't need hq materials.
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.308 would be for the hunting rifle, .223 for everything else. .308 wouldn't need hq materials.
Any stats for new ammo so far?
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I'd imagine they'd just be the same as .223, no real need to move hunting rifles up or down.
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(http://78.28.2.91/dziecko/forum2/emotik/jupi2.gif)
And how about materials and/or professions required?
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I'd imagine somewhere in the region of 1 MP and 5 GP or so.
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I'd imagine somewhere in the region of 1 MP and 5 GP or so.
YEAH Thumbs up! :)
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Yay! The system works!
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Solar - why don't you give Hunting Rifle .22 LR ammo or something like that? Or just go with 5mm? .308 is a VERY powerful round irl, having a less powerful weapon use it would make a situation which is already bad (I mean, the gun calibers in F2 were mostly bullsh*t) into something worse.
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I dont really mind what its called to be honest ;)
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Thumbs up, Solar! ;D
But since the .223 pistol is a sawn-off Hunting Rifle (what is stated in the description), would there be a fixed description for it, like mention of modified chamber?
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actually, the .223 pistol is a converted hunting rifle, big difference man...
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I'm wondering...
Why not introduce a lower-tier hunting rifle using different ammunition, and retain the .223 version as well?
If I recall correctly (that'll be a first), the ammo modifier alone would change their effectiveness without need for modification of the weapons.
I realize the devs stated that they do not wish to introduce new weapons, but I'm not sure this rule applies to this particular situation.
More options to suit whatever requirements somebody has.
Not really any personal preference (hell, I still run around with a 10mm and have problems getting caps to feed ammo for that :D), just an option I noticed nobody mention.
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actually, the .223 pistol is a converted hunting rifle, big difference man...
A .223 rifle modified and cut down to a pistol. This is a one-of-a-kind firearm, obviously made with love and skill.
Thanks for the remark, gordulan, i tend to oversimplify statements sometimes. ^_^
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I personally don't see a problem with the .223 pistol using the same ammo as the hunting rifle, no matter what it ends up being. All I care about is being able to craft it with some ammo that doesn't require me to do a raid on a mine.
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It should be good if .223 ammo will be more accessible... in F2 it was quite common ammo, you can buy it in all bigger towns... in FOnline its rare commodity and I think it is stupid, because there are low lvl weapons (like Hunting rifle), which are useless in present time...
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Umm, Enzo...
The Devs already said they agree.
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If you think hunting rifles are useless you have a lot to learn.
It is definitely one of the best of cheap weapons, when .308 will be implemented (to gunsmith 1 profession, I believe ), hunting rifle is going to be a balanced weapon. As now, Hunting rifle on gunsmith level 1 and ammo on 2nd makes this weapon rather difficult to use by beginners.
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Umm, Enzo...
The Devs already said they agree.
I will be satisfied, if I could see their agreement in-game ;D
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New ammo for Hunting rifle will be good , so you can be better .