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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => News and Announcements => Topic started by: Bartosz on June 02, 2010, 03:04:41 pm
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FIXES:
- Fov fixes (correct angle and damaged eye check).
- Barter item scrolling after filter change
FEATURES:
- Killing the town leader, will make the town angry and additionally cause the ruling faction to lose control if the killer belongs to that faction.
- It's possible to give brahmins to other players.
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- Killing the town leader, will make the town angry and additionally cause the ruling faction to lose control if the killer belongs to that faction.
Alt from none faction with 10mm SMG specially for this?
And what means angry? They will kill all on sight?
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I'm making a brahmin dealer JUST for this update.. WOOHOOOOOOOOOOO
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Alt from none faction with 10mm SMG specially for this?
And what means angry? They will kill all on sight?
Yes, this isn't a solution. Also, town leader can be killed by accident in a firefight..
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Well if you "accidentally" kill the most important dude in town, it's really your fault. Pay attention !
Yes, this isn't a solution.
Not a solution, but it's the first version of a "non-killable mayor" feature, so it can only get better.
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Well if you "accidentally" kill the most important dude in town, it's really your fault. Pay attention !
Word.
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nice update :> Especially brahmin trade :>
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and what about guys not signed in gang ? they can gome with gang who actually taking control in some city and kill TC guy ? ;o
i can bet tds/rda/nra will do stuff like that
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nice update :> Especially brahmin trade :>
I'm going to be smuggling....
Brahmin....
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i can bet tds/rda/nra will do stuff like that
Yep, you're right. We've been prepared.
Anyways, this isn't a solution at all. Will cause much annoyance, especially when a mayor like Marcus is out in the open.
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Well if you "accidentally" kill the most important dude in town, it's really your fault. Pay attention !
You don't get it. Enemy can use this by standing behind town leader for you to kill him. Yeah yeah, I know that you should go around that guy and kill enemy, but seriously, this feature shouldn't make defending the town harder. Still, you can kill town leader if you wish, without problems, with a char who isn't a member of controlling faction.
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eeerrrm, few days rollback? O_o
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If you'll have a problem:
Running Updater says: No update needed.
But loging in says: The network reports your client is an incorrect version, update the client.
Running Updater again says: No update needed.
You'll have to move faction008.dat (or any other needed file, but I prefered it, because it has really low size) to other folder or delete it, and then run update, so it'll be updated.
eeerrrm, few days rollback? O_o
Btw, yea.
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eeerrrm, few days rollback? O_o
wait what?
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what hapenned?! 3 days rollback? this is really bad joke devs... :-\
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I log on ma char now and i dont heave my equipment ( 14 HQ Minerals!, Grese Gun and 120 ammo for it and sledgehummer) ??? name on game zo_Onk (iis any chance to heave again that stuff?)
Oh intersting now is that what i lose in my base
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Um... I'm on fire...
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Rollback fixed, it seems.
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boradam, reset your launcher
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boradam, reset your launcher
Thanks
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Rollback fixed, it seems.
I dont think so I still have brahmins hides from building tent which I was building on Monday...
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I dont think so I still have brahmins hides from building tent which I was building on Monday...
And I don't see a base and have an armor on me, but have skin of bluesuiter, but BoS patrols want to kill me (resigned BoS faction few minutes before update), so it's half-rollback on only items, bases, etc.
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rollback is huger then huge, hope it will gets fixed, these things are demotivating a lot :>
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I do believe i lost my robes.
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It's beta dudes, stop whining as if you're playing the next 15$/month super-production from a big studio.
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branco, but if we will not point a mistakes so it could happend at final product ;]
so stop whining on whiners :x
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No one is whining, It's informing of the rollback.
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Guess there goes whole "rollback shouldn't be larger than 5min" thing from previous update.
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[16:48:15] <[TG]NexxosFIN> Guys, always remember that this IS STILL A BETA, don't always cry, stuff will happen, good stuff and bad stuff.
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We arn't whining... besides beta testers (Which is us.) are supposed to inform the devs of bugs/glitches.
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Server is down again. Maybe the devs are fixing something.
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Strong rollback.
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Ok where my trench? I'm talking seriuos.....
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Indeed, but it's better for me haha :P Again got my BA! ;D
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One thing i noticed, i went to kill some centaurs a while back, and now after the rollback, i didn't lose any xp, and i even regained my ammo i wasted to those centaurs. Are the devs gonna do anything about this?
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Indeed, but it's better for me haha :P Again got my BA! ;D
Luckiiiiiiiiiiii.
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Strong rollback.
this is not funny in my tent I have already 20k caps now its gone o.0 :/
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i think our base lost half of the combat armors, but XP indeed stayed as it was few minutes ago....
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what is going on? why few days rollback????
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my 4 lvl 21 slaves are gone now :/ 20 days of leveling, would be nice if you would fix it somehow...
also our base for 50k is gone too, not to mention all other rollbacked items, just as it seems accounts werent rollbacked, exp is still same as before update :>
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We just lost all of the armor and stuff we had put in our base ... EVERYTHING has gone ...
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Yeah like up evrything has gone (got 3k ammo making and other thins like 30k caps and robes)
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my 4 lvl 21 slaves are gone now :/ 20 days of leveling, would be nice if you would fix it somehow...
A little offtop but I am curious: did I understood well? You've leved slaves?! And what happens when they gain them? How do they do it?
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"I've lost my miniguns"
"I've lost my 4895374857 BAs"
"I've lost my 45879th lvl 29854 mercs"
"I've my tent with 458934759k caps and a brahmin hide"
...I think devs heard about little rollback already...
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A little offtop but I am curious: did I understood well? You've leved slaves?! And what happens when they gain them? How do they do it?
well my trapper females improved from 54 hp to 174 hp ^^ they gain levels like us from killing :> So you need awareness if you want to notice they get a new level :>
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lol someone has 1 day rollback, I have 3-4days rollback, vedaras has 20 days rollback...
really nice work devs, I love this update, because I lost more than 50k caps but I can sell brahmins now... Idiots...
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what a great rolback is this! hail the rollback! In friday i manage to convince 2 of my cousins to play FOnline(they got same ip and been tested by GMs fev times allready)I told them how great this game is and how good fun is to play, one of them was playing fallout 1/2 with me on same computer years ago. Poor guys managed to get lvl10 and 12 up today and gather 50k for base(gas station) yesterday we was trying to buy a base but around 3 am we decided to do this today(about 4h waiting for oportunity before town is clear from assholes(bluesuits scouts was killed on resp),finally 12 o clock we managed to buy base,and tadam 3days rollback!!!!! Very encouraging,they not playing anymore.....
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Guess we should never update the game again.
Also RestarT, you can see this post as a warning. Another insult and you get vacation on the forum.
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"I've lost my miniguns"
"I've lost my 4895374857 BAs"
"I've lost my 45879th lvl 29854 mercs"
"I've my tent with 458934759k caps and a brahmin hide"
...I think devs heard about little rollback already...
Wipe is much better then a "little" rollback like that one
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lol someone has 1 day rollback, I have 3-4days rollback, vedaras has 20 days rollback...
really nice work devs, I love this update, because I lost more than 50k caps but I can sell brahmins now... Idiots...
rollback on me is 3-4 days also, just slaves i leveled for 20 days are gone because of rollback, not because it rollbacked 20 days :>
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Guess we should never update the game again.
+1 to this idea! I love this idea. But last update should be pre-wipe TC system...
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Nope, if we don't update the game, we don't update the game. This means bugs, bugs, bugs, unfinished content, bugs,...
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So Lexx, any explain what are you doing now? Rollback of rollback or what? Server is down and we see no info about it. Would be nice if we know what are you doing or how long will it take.
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"He keeps deploying terrible patches just to ruin the game for everyone"
hehe
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Take it easy, as testers you are now participating in the test of the patching system:)
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Nope, if we don't update the game, we don't update the game. This means bugs, bugs, bugs, unfinished content, bugs,...
Ok everything is better than huge rollbacks... I was hard working 2 and half day, everything is gone, so I am really pissed. This is reason for my vulgarism.
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Ok everything is better than huge rollbacks... I was hard working 2 and half day, everything is gone, so I am really pissed. This is reason for my vulgarism.
devs are working hard to create this game which we all play. And you were only playing this games for 2 days and a half, not working so let the devs work ^^
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Guess we should never update the game again.
Also RestarT, you can see this post as a warning. Another insult and you get vacation on the forum.
I vote for instant forum ban's to clean the air up a bit >:3
some people just cant appreciate any work done, its a free game in BETA people. Even if the rollback would be permanent for items
ya'll can just go collect flints and chop wood for gear.
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Guys, nobody wants this thread (or any other) to become like this (http://translate.google.fi/translate?hl=fi&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ffonline2238.net%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D628.0).
Seems like you are starting to create a similar thread like that in here.
(For those who don't know that thread, it's about a polish dude losing his brahmin and thus causing 37 pages of hell.)
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Take a note that this is:
1. just a game
2. beta test
3. free to play
Devs are doing great work, changes are good.
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That doesn't change fact it would be nice to see any info what are they already doing ;)
@down:
Not Xeon but Xoen :P
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Guys, nobody wants this thread (or any other) to become like this (http://translate.google.fi/translate?hl=fi&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ffonline2238.net%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D628.0).
Seems like you are starting to create a similar thread like that in here.
(For those who don't know that thread, it's about a polish dude losing his brahmin and thus causing 37 pages of hell.)
Ugh... Xeon...
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Hehehe, they fixed it.
Good job devs.
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I though we are idiots. (http://www.falloutnow.de/fn/Smileys/retro/emot-iiam.gif)
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everyone should understand each other - players should understand that they are BETA testers and GMs should understand angry people.
they made a game with such economy system, that if you wann achive anythin you have to play a lot
so if there is a 2day rollback, there is angry crowd as well
hope it will be fixed soon
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It is already.
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Im glad im inactive right now, gathering from this topic there's been quite a mess ;D But
Guys, nobody wants this thread (or any other) to become like this (http://translate.google.fi/translate?hl=fi&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ffonline2238.net%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D628.0).
Seems like you are starting to create a similar thread like that in here.
(For those who don't know that thread, it's about a polish dude losing his brahmin and thus causing 37 pages of hell.)
Good ol' Xoen, i nearly forgot about him. Theres plenty other topics like that. This one's great too: http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=615.0
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Take a note that this is:
1. just a game
2. beta test
3. free to play
Devs are doing great work, changes are good.
1. Yeah but we spent time playing and we don't like lost that what you earned while playing (sorry but it is lost time).
2. Yeah know that so why GMs/people wont spawn/give whole of items ??? This means also there WILL be wipe so why not help players to encounter bugs?
3.------------------- (don't have anything so tahy for this, but we donate to play (i not but other players/devs donate).
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Wow, what an old suggestion I made. Thanks for digging it out and implementing it.
And my rollback was only a couple minutes at the most, if anything at all :D
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3.------------------- (don't have anything so tahy for this, but we donate to play (i not but other players/devs donate).
The donations are used to keep the server running. Nothing else.
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Hmm what i would say - i didn't said that you use monah to buy a beer or other things i just dont think that way - but - when it is a beta test so why not hmm help player discover the world.??
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You need to test the game as players will discover it, and they will discover it with their own items, not spawned one. Also, in order to find bugs, you need to experiment everything - would you still craft if you were rich ?
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As someone said before (probably on polish board, but I am not sure about that) the exact beta should look like:
A group of players (no more than 100 players, no more than 3, maybe 4 gangs) should play FO with all weapons/armors/items, fight between themselves, trade with NPCs, talk with important NPCs, travel around the world, suggest new things from which every of them should be tested and maybe if they would be honest enough - report bugs. The role of GMs would be reporting unreported bugs and banning players who are exploiting them.
Actual situation has almost nothing to beta - almost every player who discover an important bug would exploit it as long as he can, then there would be WIPE if many people would exploit same thing (because there is too few GMs or they are not working properly). PvP looks like a masacre and nothing is going to be more balanced (maybe you're trying Devs, but that makes nothing - there still was, are and will be a lot of unbalance in weapons/armors). Players suggestions are not readed exactly, or not tried (because in Devs opinion they will suck) etc.
I'll say once again: THAT IS NOT BETA - that is a massacre between Player Killers and Players (maybe there should be also a place for powergamers but I am not sure if there are any of them atm.).
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You are right, but this is OPEN BETA, not closed beta. Open betas are never with all guns, ammo and stuff, they are like normal games, just with bugs and incompleted stuff.
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THAT IS NOT BETA
What is it then? (http://www.falloutnow.de/fn/Smileys/retro/emot-iiam.gif)
Also, stop with the offtopic discussion. We had this several times, no need to derail another thread.
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Did this update break sneak? because it doesn't seem to do anything.
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As someone said before (probably on polish board, but I am not sure about that) the exact beta should look like:
A group of players (no more than 100 players, no more than 3, maybe 4 gangs) should play FO with all weapons/armors/items, fight between themselves, trade with NPCs, talk with important NPCs, travel around the world, suggest new things from which every of them should be tested and maybe if they would be honest enough - report bugs. The role of GMs would be reporting unreported bugs and banning players who are exploiting them.
Communism sounded good on paper too.
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You will die. You will lose all your items. You will be wiped. You will be rolled back. Nothing you acquire will be permanent.
Welcome to beta testing. If this is too difficult a concept for you to fathom, the door is that way.
Also: Donations are donations, not a contract, or commitment in any way, for the devs to do anything at all for you. You're donating your money out of the absolute kindness of your heart in order to help support a labor of love. Be glad the devs even put forth the time and effort to update this project and keep the server up.
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I though we are idiots.
I want moar of your idiocy then. And plox don't stop.
I hope last sentence wasn't too gayish :>
1. Yeah but we spent time playing and we don't like lost that what you earned while playing (sorry but it is lost time).
2. Yeah know that so why GMs/people wont spawn/give whole of items ??? This means also there WILL be wipe so why not help players to encounter bugs?
3.------------------- (don't have anything so tahy for this, but we donate to play (i not but other players/devs donate).
1. You've earned virtual items. They are not real. There is no spoon. Time is real, sure - if you feel you waste it, do something else, beat your mom with a chair for example.
2. Do you think in final version GMs will also spawn items from the sky? We need to test anything here, also crafting system. And how spawned items will help you to encounter a bug? Enlight me here.
3. You don't donate - shut up in that matter. This is not your business what is going on with those caps.
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Do Brahmins take up a follower slot or not? By the way Izual says it in the closed suggestion, it sounds like it doesn't, but can I have confirmation on this?
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Before update they did take follower slot, i managed to tame 3 on my 7cha char but 4th was a no no.
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Before update they did take follower slot, i managed to tame 3 on my 7cha char but 4th was a no no.
NOOOOOO!!!! okay...
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Communism sounded good on paper too.
At first step communism was good thing. It was just not mentioned for people from these times and these nations. Later just communism became more like totalitarianism where whole power was focused on one person.
Anyway it was tested, contrary to our suggestions.
And about GMs - there is really too few of them for actual number of playing people. Three GMs for ~300-400 players online? Where the time when all GMs are online is maybe 1 hour daily? Don't be riddiculous. (also what else are they doing? They prefer to sit on forum and think about stupid, useless events like NCR army...)
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Check Staff List, you'll be surprised.
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I know 3 GMs (Izual, Skejwen, JovankaB). Skejwen only from forum, you (Izual) only from "NCR army base" and JovankaB from forum and from the game.
Anyway, I've never seen (my friends also and a lot of people also) you online in the game.
What else are you doing which is not reading/writing on the forum? Banning people who use fast-relog/dual-log? I still see too much of them...
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The best game masters are the invisible ones.
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That doesn't change fact that "the visible ones" are useless or almost useless, and there is really too few of this effective ones for actual number of cheaters/botters.
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We have as many GMs are we currently want. If we want any more we will find some.
It is not for you to tell us what we need to do or the GMs what is a good use of their time or not. I think somewhere along the line you have become confused as to the exact dynamic between the Devs and GMs and you.
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You're right. I love you all for allowing me to play this game for free. Thank You.
*Edited for Tone*
Whatta f? There is a freedom of word the hell. Stop editing not your posts... if you can't stand a bit of criticism how you're gonna do really good game? Not only you play this game, even if you're devs not we, you should respect some our rights... the hell!
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The best game masters are the invisible ones.
;_;
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Well they have like 1000% sneak so they are pretty much invisible :P Well, of course when they don't forget about turning it on (hi jovi) :P
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With "broken" FOV, it didn't worked.
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You're right. I love you all for allowing me to play this game for free. Thank You.
*Edited for Tone*
Whatta f? There is a freedom of word the hell. Stop editing not your posts... if you can't stand a bit of criticism how you're gonna do really good game? Not only you play this game, even if you're devs not we, you should respect some our rights... the hell!
Don't make the mistake of thinking this is a place where you have any rights other than to obey our rules or leave. This just confirms what I wrote earlier
I think somewhere along the line you have become confused as to the exact dynamic between the Devs and GMs and you.
Trolling needlessly, particularly against the GMs who give up their free time to do what is not a very fun job, isn't a great idea. Especially when you haven't got the first idea how much work they actually put in.
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There is a freedom of word the hell.
You are an idiot. The hell.
What? Freedom of word, isn't it?
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I think you guys need to calm down, What the devs are doing is good work and everyone appreciates it, just try and keep it a nice place to talk and hang out :P
Pandemon is right in some ways and so are the devs, I also hardly never see a dev or GM ingame but i suppose this is because they are busy adding new features and reading suggestions on the forum.
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Well they have like 1000% sneak so they are pretty much invisible :P Well, of course when they don't forget about turning it on (hi jovi) :P
max is 300,and 250 isa egnuff
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I think you guys need to calm down, What the devs are doing is good work and everyone appreciates it, just try and keep it a nice place to talk and hang out :P
Pandemon is right in some ways and so are the devs, I also hardly never see a dev or GM ingame but i suppose this is because they are busy adding new features and reading suggestions on the forum.
Sure there is a lot of things and features that could be better (f.e. joining NPC faction just to get profession and leaving it right after - there is no other advantages from being a part of Enclave/Raiders, unless you like to be hated everywhere), but we are not savages with F-word as a "weapon" and none of us is a slave-master to tell his slaves ... erm, devs what they should/shouldn't do, because I want it and I want it NOW.
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Don't make the mistake of thinking this is a place where you have any rights other than to obey our rules or leave. This just confirms what I wrote earlier
It would be a waste of time, but I think it would be fun to edit some complainer's post again and again and again until they ragequit or finally realize they can't do anything about it since it's not their forum. </offtopic>
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We are able to write our own posts not for that to see them edited some minutes later... think a bit. If you don't want to hear any criticise devs, close the forum.
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There is a big difference between criticising the devs/game because you lost your crap or can't have it your way in the game, and issuing pertinent opinions about the game mechanics so that the game can be improved. Im pretty sure you're not fully aware of your beta-tester status.
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mesydz to all:)
STOP moaning start to enjpy the game(especially if its for free)
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This gives such a lovely air to this game... Or not. People are heavily insulting the people who are working hard to develop this game and then have the guts to call it criticism... Dictionaries are a wonderful thing, some people should read them.
And about the rollback, I can't say I see the problem here. Sure, it's no fun to lose several days worth of gameplay but there are a -lot- of people who are losing several days of gameplay every day just because they were on their way to relocate or buy -that- new armor they worked hard to get just because some random douche ingame decides that their jumpsuit is too blue and kills them, you don't see those victims nerdraging all over the internet. They suck it up and continue. But when a rollback is made for the benefit of all players on the server, THEN you see people nerdraging like never before... I love this game, and enormous kudos to the developers and GMs and the rest of the crew for the work they do. I just wish there was a larger number of mature and serious players around.
/Anti-rant rant.
This is not directed against any particular person or character, this is only criticism against certain types of all too common behaviour and I apologise if someone takes offence from this post but if someone does, perhaps this someone need to think a bit about how he/she actually behaves?
Cheers and have a lovely game all of you. See you in the wasteland!
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These same posts have probably been reiterated numerous times across not only this forum, but countless other games' forums during their testing phases.
It's a proven fact that some folks are just not fit to participate in beta testing.
Bottom line is that some people simply can't accept, or don't understand, that they are "testing" a game rather than "playing" a game, and get upset when the game doesn't work as they think it should. If they decide to come and complain about it and bash the Devs/GMs, rather than offer some suggestions or ideas, then I have no sympathy when they get put in their place.
Keep up the good work guys, I look forward to the next rollback, wipe, and/or update ;]
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THAT IS NOT BETA
What is it then? (http://www.falloutnow.de/fn/Smileys/retro/emot-iiam.gif)
*crawl out of hole*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_beta
"Users must be treated as co-developers, in a reflection of open source development practices (even if the software in question is unlikely to be released under an open source license.) The open source dictum, 'release early and release often', in fact has morphed into an even more radical position, 'the perpetual beta', in which the product is developed in the open, with new features slipstreamed in on a monthly, weekly, or even daily basis. It's no accident that services such as Gmail, Google Maps, Flickr, del.icio.us, and the like may be expected to bear a 'Beta' logo for years at a time."
*crawls back in hole*
Edit: *crawls back out again*
The best game masters are the invisible ones.
http://kepfeltoltes.hu/view/100605/11551605853_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg
*crawls back again...*
edit2: *ok im gonna stay out in the open now...*
I think you guys need to calm down, What the devs are doing is good work and everyone appreciates it, just try and keep it a nice place to talk and hang out :P
Pandemon is right in some ways and so are the devs, I also hardly never see a dev or GM ingame but i suppose this is because they are busy adding new features and reading suggestions on the forum.
W0rd.
Problem is, that devs and GMs are getting elitists about what they are doing, and forgetting, that if this is a beta, and we are beta testers, then:
"The users of a beta version are called beta testers. They are usually customers or prospective customers of the organization that develops the software, willing to test the software for free or for a reduced price."
And for that, they dont respect our thoughts. Heck, i dont blaim them, such an angry crowd like some of us are just asking for teh banhammer. But they dont ban - at least i dont see a public 'wall of shame' with banned freedom figh--err i mean peoples names, instead they are drifting away more and more from us testers, while thinking that they are "on the good side", and testers are just unthankfull whiners. This leads to generalisation, in that devs cant differ people that think like a co-developer and wants to balance the game for everyone, from simple whiners. Devs and mods and GMs should be much more agressive and punish people that disrupt the community silently, not just making fun of him with false irony and sarcasm - which doesnt solve anything and they are just as if not more offtopic; and be supportive and hear out those that are constructive.
On the other hand, same goes for testers, they greet every change like a sign of evil from the devs part, because they have a vision of what FOnline should be(the playstyle they have should be far superior to those of others - BG vs SG vs HtH vs Doc vs leaders vs crafters vs sneakers vs thieves vs bombers vs RP stuff vs PvP etc) and the change WILL allways have negative effects on some people, so they whine.
Feedback should NOT look like this:
This change sux.
NOR this:
I love you devs, thank you for this awesome change and game.
But rather like this:
I agree/disagree with this change from a neutral perspective, because some aspect of the game gave certain advantages over other people / this change unbalances the game, revert it.
IF it looks like this, then dont treat it as whine, in some cases they are right.
What im trying to say:
Devs: Listen to your co-developers, and if you see something plausable, give some feedback to it(will you implement it/with what changes)
Community: Listen to the devs, give objective feedback.
Same goals people, we are not enemies.
If you think this is way too offtopic, feel free to move it.
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Well we aren't prospective buyers because that will never be an option so there's no real reason for them to tolerate dissent.