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Due to the ever increasing price of mercs having them die becomes a really big set back. the price of getting my first 4 black mercs was 2 k, then second set cost me 5k, i wipe again it will cost 10K. And these are for shitty mercs. If i die and my mercs kill everything else, why are they now dead?. Mercs in my base survive me dying. I suggest if mercs have a radio you can send them a signal by talking on their frequency and they come join your party after you respawn.
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God dammit Roacher stop beating me to my ideas! GAWD!
Ooooo and while we're talking about radios make it if they have radio on same channel you can give them orders without having to see them :D.
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well if i were a mercenary, and my client is dead, i would say "meh..." and go find another client. (even with replication technology.)
in fact,
-hello mr. mercenary. do you remember me?
-yes. you hired me 2 days ago, then you died to deathclaws.
-yeah. bummer. i wanna hire you again.
-wut?! no way!
-hey why not?
-well, you died. i mean, DEAD. i barely saved my ass. i'm not going even an inch away with you!
-but... you're a mercenary, a hired muscle. "you" were supposed to guard me!
-well then i couldn't. i failed. i don't wanna embarrass you again. i have no honor etc.
-what, you're a samurai now?
-yeah, you have a problem with that?
-[sigh] no. can i hire you now?
-hell no!
you get my drift? (ok the dialog might a bit out of topic, but my first arguement still stays. =))
mercs should be hired until: a) a certain amount of time expires, and/or b) client dies. (not sure if it should be "and" or "or")
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well if i were a mercenary, and my client is dead, i would say "meh..." and go find another client. (even with replication technology.)
in fact,
-hello mr. mercenary. do you remember me?
-yes. you hired me 2 days ago, then you died to deathclaws.
-yeah. bummer. i wanna hire you again.
-wut?! no way!
-hey why not?
-well, you died. i mean, DEAD. i barely saved my ass. i'm not going even an inch away with you!
-but... you're a mercenary, a hired muscle. "you" were supposed to guard me!
-well then i couldn't. i failed. i don't wanna embarrass you again. i have no honor etc.
-what, you're a samurai now?
-yeah, you have a problem with that?
-[sigh] no. can i hire you now?
-hell no!
you get my drift? (ok the dialog might a bit out of topic, but my first arguement still stays. =))
mercs should be hired until: a) a certain amount of time expires, and/or b) client dies. (not sure if it should be "and" or "or")
I'm going to smack you and your going to say thank you... But I guess it'll have to wait till I meet you ingame.
As for the A) suggestion, thats bullshit, if you look at the dialogue when u hire a mercs she/he says: Feed him twice a day and don't let him on the couch or some bullshit.... When you buy these mercenaries its like buying a slave... only a really badass slave.
B) suggestion, dude.. if you have the radio frequency a radio and the same goes for your merc, and right after his client dies and starts talking on the radio to you are you really NOT going to listen to what he says???? He just came back from the fucking DEAD! I'd be scared shitless thinking he's a demon and do whatever he says. Ofc if mercs knew about replication technology and they survived they'd more than likely take the stuff and go back to some regroup point e.g. your tent.
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This thread is a joke right?
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well i didn't hire a merc yet, so i don't know anything about "feed them twice a day and they're ok!".
i withdraw. (and i have to agree on that "i'd be scared shitless!" part. =))
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The mercs that weren't there when you died still belong to you, my mercs didn't die in the encounter, why should they be dead?
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The mercs that weren't there when you died still belong to you, my mercs didn't die in the encounter, why should they be dead?
One: Because they shouldn't....
Two: Because they shouldn't...
Three: Because they shouldn't...
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One: Because they shouldn't....
Two: Because they shouldn't...
Three: Because they shouldn't...
....makes no sense,
also Rouchers right, they do belong to us, we highered there ass's, they dident die, why dont they come back to us? they should if they at least have a radio and you do too
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....makes no sense,
also Rouchers right, they do belong to us, we highered there ass's, they dident die, why dont they come back to us? they should if they at least have a radio and you do too
One: Because they shouldn't be dead...
Two: Because they shouldn't be dead...
Three: Because they shouldn't be dead...
Fixed lol..
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When you die you lose like 5 k caps worth of shit, when i die i lose like 75k and then have to pay 90k to get back to what i was at.
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Slaves are cheaper. They can't all use Heavy weapons, but some can throw plasma grenades :D
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Slaves are cheaper. They can't all use Heavy weapons, but some can throw plasma grenades :D
I'm thinking bigger than that.
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Slaves are cheaper. They can't all use Heavy weapons, but some can throw plasma grenades :D
2 slaves can, there just realy hard to find
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2 slaves can, there just realy hard to find
they also have like 40% bg skill
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When you die you lose like 5 k caps worth of shit, when i die i lose like 75k and then have to pay 90k to get back to what i was at.
This shit right here.... Charisma Characters got it alot worse.... ALOT worse..
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they also have like 40% bg skill
Doesn't work like that I tihnk. Ghoul crazies have sg at 80 but hit about 8/10 times (aimed shots) from a long range, no way you can pull that off with 80sg. I think the number you see is the actual chance they have to hit you. Otherwise npc's would miss way more often on you. afcoarse this number lowers with AC, so thats why some critters have above 100 chance to hit (rounded down to 95% always)
Also, I agree with the suggestion. You should just be able to talk to the merc seller and get your mercs back. remember they don't know that you died.
You: Hey where did my mercs go?
Merc seller: wait, what how, they told me you were dead!
You: Well im standing here ain't I?
Merc seller: Well yes, well I guess they just decided to play a prank on you, here they are. Now off you go and have fun with them.
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Doesn't work like that I tihnk. Ghoul crazies have sg at 80 but hit about 8/10 times (aimed shots) from a long range, no way you can pull that off with 80sg. I think the number you see is the actual chance they have to hit you. Otherwise npc's would miss way more often on you. afcoarse this number lowers with AC, so thats why some critters have above 100 chance to hit (rounded down to 95% always)
Also, I agree with the suggestion. You should just be able to talk to the merc seller and get your mercs back. remember they don't know that you died.
You: Hey where did my mercs go?
Merc seller: wait, what how, they told me you were dead!
You: Well im standing here ain't I?
Merc seller: Well yes, well I guess they just decided to play a prank on you, here they are. Now off you go and have fun with them.
This seems nice but it could be used as an insta-army teleporter...
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This seems nice but it could be used as an insta-army teleporter...
Got a point there.
You could solve that by adding a small price tag to it (10-25% of original price or something)
Or giving the merc a 30-50% chance of dying on his way back, (hey wasteland is harsh, you never know what could happen)
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Got a point there.
You could solve that by adding a small price tag to it (10-25% of original price or something)
Or giving the merc a 30-50% chance of dying on his way back, (hey wasteland is harsh, you never know what could happen)
Chance of dying is a bad idea, defeats the whole purpose. Neither does paying 10%, I already paid for merc. With the radio idea they'd just come to your location like they used to and you wouldn't have 5 mutants popping up in bh out of nowhere. It could also help with followers getting stuck on the worldmap.
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Chance of dying is a bad idea, defeats the whole purpose. Neither does paying 10%, I already paid for merc. With the radio idea they'd just come to your location like they used to and you wouldn't have 5 mutants popping up in bh out of nowhere. It could also help with followers getting stuck on the worldmap.
i still support your original suggestion but this too would have to be a single death no more travelling thing or it'd be exploited, altho that way can also be exploited but it'd be harder... slightly.
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everything can be exploited, the game would still benefit from the feature.
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everything can be exploited, the game would still benefit from the feature.
Yes and that's a problem. I'm pretty sure restricting exploits is a goal for devs. When implenting a suggest, it would save time to implent it with restriction for exploits while you are at it.
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Yes and that's a problem. I'm pretty sure restricting exploits is a goal for devs. When implenting a suggest, it would save time to implent it with restriction for exploits while you are at it.
There is no proof that there's benefit to this.
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they also have like 40% bg skill
well if they can level, dosent it go up?
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well if they can level, dosent it go up?
I heard all skills go up 5% per lvl but who knows.
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I heard all skills go up 5% per lvl but who knows.
thats not to bad, i guess a easy way to level them is to go to your factions brahmin pen, give your slave/merc a spear/knife/fist weapon, and sit there with your merc when you go to sleep or when your out, the brahmin will attack you, while your slave kills the brahmin, i did this while i wwent to school with 2 slaves, and it worked, ( was 50hp each, now 56hp both) it helps alot of you have toughness x2
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well,i think this is allready implemented,or is a bug,i dunno,cuz at some respawn points i saw some slaves and merks,i think there the survivoors,but i dunno
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I have one slaver/merc character also and this idea sure would help it a lot, personally i dont really like the idea that merc prices keep rising because
rich people will always be rich more or less and can afford those. While the loners who dont have luxury of bases are kicked to nuts hardcore,
and not everyone want to be part of big faction that swims in caps and top gear.
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I have one slaver/merc character also and this idea sure would help it a lot, personally i dont really like the idea that merc prices keep rising because
rich people will always be rich more or less and can afford those. While the loners who dont have luxury of bases are kicked to nuts hardcore,
and not everyone want to be part of big faction that swims in caps and top gear.
though i may not be a loner, i do agree with you that i wouldent want to join a big faction that swims in caps and top gear, it'd be a huge pain for me with that many friends, and even more of a pain if i dident get along with em, so i stick with the friends i have, im pretty happy with that
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I make a lot of money on my own and even with faction support mercs are pretty pricey.
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Example:
5 supermutant mercs. let us say they have rocketluncher and minigun and hmm 380hp.
You died first . they survived (what a surprise)
get them back without paying? ::) ::)
its like in reallife. bodyguards have more hp than you. hah!
they catch the bullets for you.
BUT if you die, they dont care and start work for another one.
be happy that YOU have a respawnpoint .)
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though i may not be a loner, i do agree with you that i wouldent want to join a big faction that swims in caps and top gear, it'd be a huge pain for me with that many friends, and even more of a pain if i dident get along with em, so i stick with the friends i have, im pretty happy with that
Yeah i wouldnt mind some small for fun faction either, but as a loner getting those caps can be hard when you still cant craft 2nd or 3rd tier weapons,
the HQ ore requirements usually prove to be too big of an obstacle, and too many times DE selling run to gunrunners ends when theres some bg guy at exit grid
haha.
Loners can and often will have hard time pulling out the caps needed for mercs since even gear is hard to keep for much longer than couple hours.
Slaves are one option but surviving to metzger isnt easy either for the tattoo, guess you could grab an army of wanderers only for starters haha, combat
knives are relatively cheap and decently effective vs basic critters.
Even if all merc prices would be doubled, and super mutants made to cost 100k...there would still be people who can buy those easily most likely,
just resulting in stronger getting even stronger while weaker factions and especially loners would get even weaker.
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Example:
5 supermutant mercs. let us say they have rocketluncher and minigun and hmm 380hp.
You died first . they survived (what a surprise)
get them back without paying? ::) ::)
its like in reallife. bodyguards have more hp than you. hah!
they catch the bullets for you.
BUT if you die, they dont care and start work for another one.
be happy that YOU have a respawnpoint .)
Imagine how frustrated you are when you die and lose some crap that is worth a couple thousand caps vs losing 100K of mercs one shot + their gear. Then think of how many trips to vendors that is for 2-5k caps if you're lucky.
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Imagine how frustrated you are when you die and lose some crap that is worth a couple thousand caps vs losing 100K of mercs one shot + their gear. Then think of how many trips to vendors that is for 2-5k caps if you're lucky.
hoh. i know this frustration (omg i know)
BUT Mercs give you a big advantage
there are two parts of it:
1. you absolutly feels like necromancer in diablo 2 if you play in realtime.
there is just endless loot. 5 melle mercs with rippers or supersledges?
you will have the costs for the mercs in 10 min back in your pocket.
leader chars make 10k-50k in a hour normaly
you are GUARDED!
you played weeeeeeeeeeeeks without dying.
2. sometimes you just died. you lost everything.
unlucky bad thing. but that happend.
you have to start new. like all others do.
(and you still able to lead 5 mercs again)
i cant understand why it should change? they leave you if you die! sounds normal.
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There's a big difference between making "50k" in loot vs actually having 50k in caps. If my cha char dies it's take a few days to get enough caps to get even half my mercs back due to what a pain it is to find them.
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hoh. i know this frustration (omg i know)
BUT Mercs give you a big advantage
there are two parts of it:
1. you absolutly feels like necromancer in diablo 2 if you play in realtime.
there is just endless loot. 5 melle mercs with rippers or supersledges?
you will have the costs for the mercs in 10 min back in your pocket.
leader chars make 10k-50k in a hour normaly
you are GUARDED!
you played weeeeeeeeeeeeks without dying.
2. sometimes you just died. you lost everything.
unlucky bad thing. but that happend.
you have to start new. like all others do.
(and you still able to lead 5 mercs again)
i cant understand why it should change? they leave you if you die! sounds normal.
Not Dying for weeeeeeeeeeeks is no longer the case since they jacked up npc crit chances and overall difficulty.
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Mercs should loot your corpse and maybe try to ransom your stuff back to you.
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Mercs should loot your corpse and maybe try to ransom your stuff back to you.
what are you going to barter for it back when you respawn? and if they did take it you could just use trade to get your things for free
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Maybe there should at least be some...merc lvl saving function? For example, one guy lvl's up his merc (a pain) and his days/weeks of torture should not just puf? When players die, they don't loose their lvl... So for example, when the merc dies, he could be replicated with the same lvl he was, although this procedure should also cost some money.
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Maybe there should at least be some...merc lvl saving function? For example, one guy lvl's up his merc (a pain) and his days/weeks of torture should not just puf? When players die, they don't loose their lvl... So for example, when the merc dies, he could be replicated with the same lvl he was, although this procedure should also cost some money.
Yes. Like players. Just imagine grinding you and your mercs. That would make playing leader char much better. Instant boost to gameplay lenght 8)
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Yes. Like players. Just imagine grinding you and your mercs. That would make playing leader char much better. Instant boost to gameplay lenght 8)
Omg yes!!! PPPLLLEEEEAAASSEEE... Although I am going to be honest... Merc leaders will be pretty god damn overpowered if somone managed to lvl em all up to 21. It'll be like having 5 universal Militia with you wherever you go :o.
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Omg yes!!! PPPLLLEEEEAAASSEEE... Although I am going to be honest... Merc leaders will be pretty god damn overpowered if somone managed to lvl em all up to 21. It'll be like having 5 universal Militia with you wherever you go :o.
Yeah I thought about that. Well either way mercs comming to nearest pub and losing the level or keeping it but required to pay some fee... dunno, both would be interesting :D
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Tbh, i always wished mercs started weak (50 or so hp for high end melee possibly 70-80 for the expensive EW or BG merc) and gained 10 or so hp a level but they start with a leather jacket and it increases to something different every 5 levels, leather jacket, leather armor, metal armor, combat armor, also it will separate a true merc leader from just some guy who uses an alt with 5 mercs. Spending weeks trying to level up mercs deserves some type of reward also if mercs die it could be you can buy ones that start at 50% of the last ones level.
Also it might stop merc prices getting inflated by big gangs massing merc alts because they know said mercs will be shitty unless they spend the time to level them up.
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Tbh, i always wished mercs started weak (50 or so hp for high end melee possibly 70-80 for the expensive EW or BG merc) and gained 10 or so hp a level but they start with a leather jacket and it increases to something different every 5 levels, leather jacket, leather armor, metal armor, combat armor, also it will separate a true merc leader from just some guy who uses an alt with 5 mercs. Spending weeks trying to level up mercs deserves some type of reward also if mercs die it could be you can buy ones that start at 50% of the last ones level.
Also it might stop merc prices getting inflated by big gangs massing merc alts because they know said mercs will be shitty unless they spend the time to level them up.
If your merc died, you could possibly have it cloned for price. Just like how players are kinda cloned after they die.
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Or mercs could loose their experience...with delevelling.... just an option
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heres some classic quote: "if you die, then you DIE, nuff said", if you lose hi-tech items while dying, then why the hell mercs would be like "oh hello, you woke up from your grave? then let us join you!"...?
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heres some classic quote: "if you die, then you DIE, nuff said", if you lose hi-tech items while dying, then why the hell mercs would be like "oh hello, you woke up from your grave? then let us join you!"...?
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topic is dead like hell..
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C'mon, it's a good idea for sure, if the mercs lost their loot (equipment) but didn't loose their lvl on death, and their replication would be high enough to be costly (%from the original price +some like ~2% per lvl) that would be awesome, I can assure you, and people will finally use the damn CHA for some real purpose, this opens a huge variety for build ideas.
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heres some classic quote: "if you die, then you DIE, nuff said", if you lose hi-tech items while dying, then why the hell mercs would be like "oh hello, you woke up from your grave? then let us join you!"...?
Why should this game be even more about waiting and playing to really start playing Fallout way (with followers)?
The price could be bigger but again, not so many people run around with 5 mercs, just people in bigger factions... it could encourage leader builds, at the same time making different builds
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Agreed, there is enough waiting in this game as it is.
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there is already enough unbalanced shit in this game.
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there is already enough unbalanced shit in this game.
Then how would this make such a big difference?
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everyone lose everything after the death,
lets change that.. come on developers.. 8)
a free smg for everyone at respawnpoint..
maybe some stimpacks.. you know its a hard world out there.. :-*
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Then how would this make such a big difference?
It wouldn't. The "we lose guns you should lose mercs" argument is stupid because guns and ammo are easy to get, mercs and caps aren't. You can't craft a merc, you can't trade in trash items for a merc and they cost about 4 to 20x more than your guns and armour.
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Leader builds are the most ... Unique build in the game. It has special needs, that other builds don't.
A leader build by itself is almost completely useless in a high tier fight. It needs mercs .. OR ELSE.
Mercs and other followers ARE the Leader build, the character, without em he is nothing. any other build can just grab a cheap gun and run right back into the fight. A Leader can't just grab a shitload of caps and rebuy an entire contingent of mercs because of how god damn hard it is to get caps. any other build DOES NOT need caps to be efficient. Only Leader builds. I honestly think they need this, they deserve it for all the grinding the constantly do UNLIKE other builds which only have to grind once, not continously.
We are a minority that only we understand. :'(
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everyone lose everything after the death,
lets change that.. come on developers.. 8)
a free smg for everyone at respawnpoint..
maybe some stimpacks.. you know its a hard world out there.. :-*
I think you should lose a base when you all of faction members die at least once. To be honest such advantage of leader builds would bring more balance to powerbuild PvP
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that and unless the leader build has high sneak (massive pain to lvl btw) he's just going to get blown away one shot and lose all the mercs anyways.
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Players don't loose their lvl on death, why should his mercs loose? And I believe that the wasteland is all about the friends support, mercs should be just as faithful as people are, they should return to you if you die.
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Players don't loose their lvl on death, why should his mercs loose? And I believe that the wasteland is all about the friends support, mercs should be just as faithful as people are, they should return to you if you die.
Ok altho as much as I agree... This:
mercs should be just as faithful as people are
BAHAHAHhhhaahh .. ha.. heh..
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how about this, Hospitals in areas like NCR, or Sanfran could say, "found" your merc in the wasteland, and patched them up, and if their going to let them go back to you, you need to pay their Medical Bill, or maybe go back to a Merc Station and say that the merc dragged his/her ass back to their place and if you ever want them again they want (more) Hazard Pay, for maybe say, 500 or 1000 caps per mercs level?
as well, the Doc's/Merc Employers could just Lie to you about them just being found/brought themselves back, and could really be cloneing them like the player character is, if you ever talked to the npcs in the spawn points, some say they just found you laying in the wasteland and they picked you up, and you could say you were blown to pieces by some ugly monkey bastards with a rocket or such, and they still tell you you were in one piece, and that you were just imagining it. Who says the spawn point guys are the only ones in on the Cloning Secret?
course they wouldent have their gear they had on death, or even no brand new gear like newly bought mercs. all that we really need is the levels to stay (course same name attached)
and have a list like the Faction Terminals or something to Catagorize them. like,
Heres the Clipboard with your Friends Information and Medical Bill, which will need to Payed before i can Release them
*The Doctor Hands you the Clipboard*
Medical Ward
Merc: Alice
Class: Small Guns
Experience: 15
Release Cost: 7500 Caps
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1. Alright Doc, thanks for Patchin em up, was worried they were a Goner for sure! *hand him the caps*
2. eeeh, could i see the other Clipboard again?
3. Was wondering if you had any other Patents i might know?
4. Damn, I left all my Caps in my other pants, i'll just rush back and get em! *you leave*
5. Hmm, well i'll check that out in a sec, i was wondering if i could ask you some Questions.
well something like that, i know this is quite a old Suggestion, but i would really want it to work in, as reasons already mentioned from the people before me.
dosent seem to fare that only the Big Factions have the huge advantage of keeping them alive longer since theirs more of them to watch their backs as well as the money to buy/craft higher tier weapons without a blink. and the smaller faction Leader Builds have to suffer not only their Mercs Level going all the way back to 1 when dieing, and losing their gear, but the Huge Price for just another level 1 Merc? i mean, Come on! Only Reason if any someone would make a leader character if not backed by money mcmoney bags is to set them up at base were they have a almost 200% chance of less dieing, and they would only be left as Alts that would only be used if needed to move or give more ammo to the mercs. and i thought we were saposto try to cut down on the Alts? hmm? well anywho, really hope you take a look at this and fingers crossed, Used!. ;D
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Woa Arath, that suggestion is diamond, all of it is already set up in your post and just needs to be implemented, I vote hell yes.
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Agreed good suggestion arath.