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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => Closed suggestions => Topic started by: Jack_Fr on May 04, 2010, 11:12:38 pm
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If some of you have already tried to take care of a namecolorizing which contains the names of numerous factions, you know that's not a piece of cake.
And there is one main explanation : too many factions to distinguish each colours. There is 16 million (if I don't make mistakes) of colours possibilities, and this is enough, but your eyes will have difficulties to recognize each of them and your memory will have difficulties to remember who are the light yellow, the less light yellow and the less less light yellow.
So, I tried to imagine a solution for this.
I thought about a flag system which would be next to the player name. It could be a square (or another thing but I think a single form, the square, would be the simplest) which would contain a symbol with colours (limited to two). I chose to make 10x10pixels for flags in my examples.
Let me give you some of them...
These squares are example of different symbols you could use.
(http://img7.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_117554flag10x10_1p.jpg) (http://img7.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_383083flag10x10_2p.jpg) (http://img7.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_211990flag10x10_3p.jpg) (http://img7.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_489190flag10x10_4p.jpg) (http://img7.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_795819flag10x10_5p.jpg) (http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/45399flag10x10_6p.jpg) (http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/372384flag10x10_7p.jpg)
Practically it would become something like that...
(http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/167650practice1.jpg) (http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/446947practice2.jpg)
To set it in namecolorizing.txt, it would be possible to add some informations, like that (symbol ; color1 ; color2).
So, a little summary :
- Add flag (between 9*9 and 12*12pixels) next to players name
- Possibility to set a symbol (7 possibilities here) and two colours
It would make us able to do a flag for a faction and a colour name depending of diplomatic relationship, for example.
Now, the single real difficulty, if players community and devs are interested, is to estimate the coding time of this suggestion.
And I would be happy if some devs would answer to this question.
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Imho this would be the PERFECT way how to add gang recognition system into the game too. Anyway I think this is a brilliant idea.
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It has been already said that there won't be clan tags, symbols etc in the game.
I personally don't see a reason too, also it looks just odd when people have such symbols next to their names.
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It has been already said that there won't be clan tags, symbols etc in the game.
So, sorry for this suggestion, I didn't know that it has been already said.
I personally don't see a reason too
Perhaps you don't see one because you're not implicated in the gang war of the "faction mod". Well, imagine, there is more than 20 factions identified in the Cajuns namecolorizing. Do you think you would be able to remember a 20 colours colours code ? Since the time of NA vs. DA, we taste what is a big namecolorizing, and as faction players, we know that's hard to know who is who. But you like to know who is who, whenever, being shot or making RP. So, I just tried to find a system which allow you to have more than 20 gangs in your namecolorizing without making a big memory effort to recognize who is in front of you.
And I regret that this suggestion have already been eliminated. Because I think it's the only solution to this problem. Perhaps my flags are not very beautiful, but remember, that are 10 on 10 pixels flags, so, it's very light to make something more graphic, and I thought that in the interest of the game, a simple form is better, without giving choice to players for something more spectacular (and useless).
By the way, I would like to precise something, in my suggestion, these flags would be visible only for the ones who would use a namecolorizing with the flags settings. You could ever play without any flag. So, these are not an obligation.
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i like this personally, would be interesting to see implemented.
+1
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I kinda lack general social features in FOnline. Ingame friend/foe list, some identification of gang members (through this idea or only in chat window with something like "There is a huge brahmin painted over his armor" etc.). Things like remote comunitacion (radios would be awesome if they come within your pipboy). Game sticks to "what would be real in real wasteland" too much and it sometimes feels like devs forget they are developing the game not the simulator.
Again this is great idea and it would be shame to let it go (+ color blind players would love your for this).
Edit: Just take a look at favicons. 16x16 and you can create some really nice stuff with that.
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It has been already said that there won't be clan tags, symbols etc in the game.
I personally don't see a reason too, also it looks just odd when people have such symbols next to their names.
Cause of...realism? Its odd that everybody has floating text in mid air to begin with dontchathink?
Option to disable flags like names -> problem solved.
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I think it's be usefull.
+1
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Should be done automatically, without Namecolorizing. When you create a gang, you choose the flag, and then all the members have it.
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omagad, need this :)
+1, great idea.
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Should be done automatically, without Namecolorizing. When you create a gang, you choose the flag, and then all the members have it.
It could be a way to use it. But I'm not sure it would be the best way. For two reasons. First of all, you would take the risk to have too much gang with a similar flag. And the second problem is that some characters are member of Brotherhood of Steel or Enclave, but in practice, they are like any full member of their gang. So, this way to use flag would need some changes in game. Whereas I'm trying to find find the simplest and the fastest coding solution.
But I agree, it's one way to use it. If this suggestion is implemented, it could be a possibility further in the game life, once tried.
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+1 To add it with NC. I thing you can't add it with faction because you have to many faction on 2238...
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So, sorry for this suggestion, I didn't know that it has been already said.
Sorry, didn't want to sound rude. ;)
I just recall Lexx that he said several times clan tags won't be implemented.
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Sorry, didn't want to sound rude.
There is no problem. It's just that one of the biggest nuisance on a forum is when one thing is repeated 90 000 time in 30 000 different threads. I was just making my apologizes for repetition.
I just recall Lexx that he said several times clan tags won't be implemented.
And do you think he will be against this idea even if it would be applied by namecolorizing ? I ask you that because namecolorizing is personal, so it wouldn't concern everyone and only the ones who want to see these flags.
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It has been already said that there won't be clan tags, symbols etc in the game.
I personally don't see a reason too, also it looks just odd when people have such symbols next to their names.
We don't want to and will not add clan tags, which are visible for all, always. This will never happen.
If the flag-idea would work like coloring names (everyone has his own file), then it's not something that would be shut down from the beginning. But as it's involving to display a) new and custom images and b) right near the name, I wouldn't count on anything like that soon.
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can you explain, why ?
for everyone this is awesome idea
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Because it's not easy. And everything that is not easy, needs more time. Also it doesn't have a high priority rating.
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Because it's not easy. And everything that is not easy, needs more time. Also it doesn't have a high priority rating.
Like "usefull" 3D models ? (Which not working good yet)
Sorry for rude ...
Its very good idea btw. It would be very usefull. I want it ! +1
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Once the 3d models get finished there shouldn't be any problem with having gang colours applied to armour automatically for each gangmember. Have like 2 colour choices, one for main and one for trim.
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I wonder why are devs against clan tags, paintings, flags, tattoos? Imho gang members should have an option to make themselves different from others if they wish to. I kinda like the situation where you don't know who is who (some possibilities can come out of this for thieves and "bad" players) but if one wishes to be marked and identified as a member of X (such as slavers with their tattoo), then why not?
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Fonline has always suffered from player uniformity, the more you allow players to customize the more attached to their characters and immersed in the game they become. Even if your interests are purely pvp it helps to look cool while doing it and gives you more of a pack mentality.
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Because it's not easy. And everything that is not easy, needs more time. Also it doesn't have a high priority rating.
I can understand that, and it's an excellent reason. But I would like to have your opinion about the idea.
You said that this kind of things will never happen. But it's normal that players of faction mod want to be able to recognize each other. What do you think about these things ?
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I voted against it. I'm also against namecolorizing, but whatever. I liked Fonline better when you weren't able to just download someone's namecolorizing list and recognise everyone. Nowadays, I handle my team's Namecolorizing.txt and I wonder if it's what it was supposed to be (I mean, coloring teams like coloring models in Quake 3 Arena, for every shithead to know whether he shoots at friend or enemy).
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Basing on Lexx's answers, I close this suggestion.
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I voted against it. I'm also against namecolorizing, but whatever. I liked Fonline better when you weren't able to just download someone's namecolorizing list and recognise everyone. Nowadays, I handle my team's Namecolorizing.txt and I wonder if it's what it was supposed to be (I mean, coloring teams like coloring models in Quake 3 Arena, for every shithead to know whether he shoots at friend or enemy).
Thats because of game missing content and some general conflict that would have created natural friends and natural enemies. I don't like namecolorizing either since its not ingame feature and everything external sucks (but it works as temporary solution). Anyway I hope that we will see more of social gadgets in future.
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I wonder why are devs against clan tags, paintings, flags, tattoos?
We are against default clan tags, because it looks shit to have [AAI], [BLARG] or [FFU] dudes running around.
You said that this kind of things will never happen.
I wrote that default and always visible clan tags (for every player) will never happen.
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We are against default clan tags, because it looks shit to have [AAI], [BLARG] or [FFU] dudes running around.
I wrote that default and always visible clan tags (for every player) will never happen.
But this does not rule out clan tags made by paints, clothing, tattoos or simply description in message box. I understand that you are against clan tags like this:
Sius
[VSB]
(\ /)
(o.O)
(").(")
But whats wrong with description/visual based tags? With 3d models appearance changes should be easier so maybe add some sort of recognition through clothing. Like default bluesuit clothes could change based on your gang choice. X icons to choose from so instead of "13" on your back you could have words/icons/shapes there with different colors. Tattoos could work just through description = general appearance is not changed but if you inspect someone you will get info in your message box that "You see middle-aged man with tattoo of a brahmin on his forehead. Looks unhurt." etc...
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Basing on Lexx's answers, I close this suggestion.
Forgot to lock it. ;)
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Maybe this can be disussed in the future when those 3d models will be working. For now,
End of the line.