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Other => FOnline:2238 Forum => Archives => Closed suggestions => Topic started by: FischiPiSti on April 23, 2010, 01:24:34 am
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Requirements: Level 3, Endurance 6, Luck 6
Luck 6... I dont see the logic in it. Why do you need to be lucky, to endure pain?
So removing it helps powerbuilds, thats a fact. Would that be a good thing - to help powerbuilds, or bad? You be the judge. I vote to remove the luck requirement nontheless, or at least to change that requirement to something else.
Thoughts?
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I agree
maybe replace luck with Str
ADD : Only thing else i could say is , Its not logical but unless towards balance. I like see realism to degree but as long it is not at the cost of balance.
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you can ask black isle :D
fonline and FO1-2 have identical requirements
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Fishi for what it's worh - make it st 6 ALSO, not in place of luck, im totaly against powerbuilds, and the more devs do to gimp and fuck them - the better.
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I agree luck seems like a stupid requirement.
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I'm waiting for my favourite whiners from "remove CH requirement so my retarded powerbuild could make a quests!" to post here.
Even ch1 player can take and finish a lot of quests.
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yep, all you need is:
(http://theinspirationroom.com/daily/commercials/2005/11/mentos-sheep.jpg)
or
(http://fallout.neoseeker.com/w/i/fallout/thumb/b/b4/Mentats.JPG/240px-Mentats.JPG)
or
(http://www.freewebs.com/fallouttactics/mentats.gif)
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Lol at bg build buff in disguise.
Let's just say the char was lucky to become tougher.
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I'm waiting for my favourite whiners from "remove CH requirement so my retarded powerbuild could make a quests!" to post here.
"Retarded powerbuild" ? Tell me why ? We can create this kind of character and only that you are too weak against them so they are "retarded" ?
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Lol at bg build buff in disguise.
Let's just say the char was lucky to become tougher.
Its not my intention. And you can say that a luck 6 requirement is a hidden SG buff, so what. Toughness+more criticals, hmm. But its not the point, the point is that a perk requirement should reflect the perk itself, but luck?
And i dont have a BG character btw lol. I do have a SG tho
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6 Luck for BRD too, so not really a SG boost, its just another thing reinforcing Luck 6 as the perk requirement.
Perk strengths and requirements are largely as they were in F2, we haven't changed them yet.
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"Retarded powerbuild" ? Tell me why ? We can create this kind of character and only that you are too weak against them so they are "retarded" ?
You didn't disappoint me, thank you.
You really think, that making a char with 2x Toughness, 2x Lifegiver and filling him with Jet before battle is kind of secret wisdom, my naive friend?
You can say chars with CH = 1 are "optimized", because you expect from this game PvP only and enjoying it a lot. Fine, but let me call them "retarded" or "limited", when I expect from game much more than simple fighting, and to do these things I need more than 1 CH quite often. Sounds fair enough? And I'm simply too slow to be efficient in PvP, as I told many times before. "Weakness" of char non-PvP vs powerbuild is obvious.
To be on topic - why don't you support the idea of lowering LK requirement for getting Toughness, as you were supporting idea of lowering CH requirements to make quests easier? :>
I wouldn't change this requirement. There are drugs to raise almost every stat now, except LK. Let it be this way.
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6 Luck for BRD too, so not really a SG boost, its just another thing reinforcing Luck 6 as the perk requirement.
Perk strengths and requirements are largely as they were in F2, we haven't changed them yet.
Do you have plans of any changes? Alot of perks need some work..
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You didn't disappoint me, thank you.
You really think, that making a char with 2x Toughness, 2x Lifegiver and filling him with Jet before battle is kind of secret wisdom, my naive friend?
You can say chars with CH = 1 are "optimized", because you expect from this game PvP only and enjoying it a lot. Fine, but let me call them "retarded" or "limited", when I expect from game much more than simple fighting, and to do these things I need more than 1 CH quite often. Sounds fair enough? And I'm simply too slow to be efficient in PvP, as I told many times before. "Weakness" of char non-PvP vs powerbuild is obvious.
To be on topic - why don't you support the idea of lowering LK requirement for getting Toughness, as you were supporting idea of lowering CH requirements to make quests easier? :>
I wouldn't change this requirement. There are drugs to raise almost every stat now, except LK. Let it be this way.
Its not the powerbuilders that are the problem here. Its the game design. Like 99.9% of any game that features crafting system is based on fact that you can roll anything you want AND choose certain specialization whenever it is item crafting or resource collection it does not matter. The main thing is they are all about combat and crafting and such comes as something extra. PvE or PvP it does not matter, still you are capable of both with any char but its those little differences and details that define whenever you are good at one or another.
FOnline did not choose this path but instead we have powerbuilders that rock at PvP but some are trying to artificially limit them in PvE, then we have average or so called universal/RP builds and then there are crafter powerbuilds. Last 2 groups are way weaker in combat than PvP powerbuilds and thats the source of many inconveniences. I still think that its nonsence to dictate how should people build their characters in order to learn professions. I believe that if professions come as an extra upgrade to ANY build and if they would follow simple pattern "effort => outcome" then we would have way better foundations for balanced PvP + attractive PvE and when you choose one of them it does not automatically rule out the other one.
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Its not the powerbuilders that are the problem here. Its the game design. Like 99.9% of any game that features crafting system is based on fact that you can roll anything you want AND choose certain specialization whenever it is item crafting or resource collection it does not matter. The main thing is they are all about combat and crafting and such comes as something extra. PvE or PvP it does not matter, still you are capable of both with any char but its those little differences and details that define whenever you are good at one or another.
FOnline did not choose this path but instead we have powerbuilders that rock at PvP but some are trying to artificially limit them in PvE, then we have average or so called universal/RP builds and then there are crafter powerbuilds. Last 2 groups are way weaker in combat than PvP powerbuilds and thats the source of many inconveniences. I still think that its nonsence to dictate how should people build their characters in order to learn professions. I believe that if professions come as an extra upgrade to ANY build and if they would follow simple pattern "effort => outcome" then we would have way better foundations for balanced PvP + attractive PvE and when you choose one of them it does not automatically rule out the other one.
Thats true, but those games dont have skills like repair or science. And i think this is good thing, most newer rpgs feature the same system(wow), its boring.. Just look at my sig link, that game is just like this one, same skills, same character developement, and there, "repair" and "science"-like skills can be used in combat.
Pure docs(high int) are somewhat usefull in combat, pure slavers(high ch) are somewhat usefull in combat(tho shared xp is still missing, and merc buying should scale with speech), but science and repair cant be used in any way to help them. Thats the only problem. *cough* engineer perk to be able to build a robot merc *cough*
"Engineer
An Engineer is a specialist in creating all sorts of machinery. Engineers really excel in constructing powerful battle droids and have access to unique nanotechnology to enhance and repair them. The Engineer's weapon skills are not that great, but the Engineer/robotpet duo is quite formidable. All Engineers learn to create powerful protective shields and the best Engineers can hack into satellites, and use them to teleport any member of the team to the Engineer's location."
But this is offtopic.
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Toughness in FO2 required 6 LK and 6 EN, that's why it is like it is. If you want to whine about vanilla FO2 you should whine about their weapon balance :P XL70E3 sucks... I want my 10 ammo burst with XL70E3 :<
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Requirements: Level 3, Endurance 6, Luck 6
Luck 6... I dont see the logic in it. Why do you need to be lucky, to endure pain?
So removing it helps powerbuilds, thats a fact. Would that be a good thing - to help powerbuilds, or bad? You be the judge. I vote to remove the luck requirement nontheless, or at least to change that requirement to something else.
Thoughts?
Totally agree.
This would also works for my topic of reevaluate HtH ( http://fodev.net/forum/index.php?topic=3723.0 )
LCK has no sense at all in this Perks. I suggest to make STR 7 or 8 as requirement.
you can ask black isle :D
fonline and FO1-2 have identical requirements
So what?
We can customize everything, also we can balance the game, regardless what Black Isle choose to do.
They are awesome and great devs, but not the bible.
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Right now the PvE content in this game is minimal, so I understand why so many people resort to PvP and Pking.
As for Luck i'm pretty sure they put it in there to prevent powerbuilds as has been said, I would like to see some cperks that are good use charisma too so we don't get the no brainer choice of 1 charisma for pvp.
At the moment the only real reason to take more than 1 char is for extra mercenaries or to talk to merchants, you can just make alt for merchants and the quests give out pathetic rewards and xp so not really worth doing them (except maybe 1 or 2 starting quest).
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Another one. Cleaned the topic. Please post your constructive thoughts about the topic. Else, please don't post here.