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Hi,
I have been stolen in vault city some time ago, no one notice, but i saw someone acting in my back and when i looked my inventory, my guns & bullet was missing.
So i shout everyone the guy was a thief, but yeah nothing happened and if i attack him i know i would have been killed.
What can i do in this kind of situation, cause it's absolutly unfair. Moreover the guy said me insanity cause i wasn't able to attack him, it's quite stupid thing. Is there anny mean to have autority help you?
I have searched a bit the forum and found not really something usefull about that.
Thx
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Hi,
I have been stolen in vault city some time ago, no one notice, but i saw someone acting in my back and when i looked my inventory, my guns & bullet was missing.
So i shout everyone the guy was a thief, but yeah nothing happened and if i attack him i know i would have been killed.
What can i do in this kind of situation, cause it's absolutly unfair. Moreover the guy said me insanity cause i wasn't able to attack him, it's quite stupid thing. Is there anny mean to have autority help you?
I have searched a bit the forum and found not really something usefull about that.
Thx
actually when someone steals you and guards notice that, they say that by messaging and then you can attack and kill thief. If they do not notice the thief, well too bad for you he is good thief.
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So he can steal me all my inventory and i can't do anything?
I finally try to clic him for showing the menu and try the karma sign, but seems the client ask the server for clicling a PC and i hadn't the possibility since he was moving.
Seriously ... That's a pitty if we can't notice to guard when there are thiefs ... A guy with 200% is never caught.
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yeah the devs say fit to basically make it so joe shmoe no matter what will remain a victim, even if you know someone stole from you its unlikely that the guards will see if even in your in the bazaar at ncr, systems pretty much broken, they used to have a tag system where thief or blocker would pop up over their head and everyone would shoot the bastard but no matter what as soon as that dirty low down thief gets his hands on your items they are gone forever citing guard item deletion in cities, so no matter what the thief always wins and we get screwed, great game mechanics huh.
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yes, indeed they are, kinda pissed off about my 20k caps just poofing into thin air last build i made...
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Hmm.... True story:
*i was afk in the hub*
14:53:43 • |4291317840'censored' failed to steal from you.
14:53:43 • |4291317840 <lexem not found>
14:53:43 • |4291317840 <lexem not found>
14:53:43 • Someone tried to rob you!
14:54:32 • |4291317840'censored' failed to steal from you.
14:54:32 • |4291317840 <lexem not found>
14:54:33 • |4291317840 <lexem not found>
14:54:33 • Someone tried to rob you!
*i guess he got pissed, and tried to attacked me, i was still afk*
14:54:38 • 'censored' critically missed and his weapon dropped.
14:54:38 • 'censored' was hit for 9 hit points.
14:54:39 • 'censored' was hit in the head for 14 hit points.
14:54:40 • 'censored' critically missed and took 5 hit points, knocked down and hurt himself.
14:54:40 • 'censored' was hit for 7 hit points.
14:54:40 • Caravan Guard missed.
14:54:41 • 'censored' was hit for 14 hit points and was killed.
*then i returned, found him dead standing next to me, i took his armor, then afk again*
*later i returned and see his alt*
15:10:05 • |4291317840'censored'3 failed to steal from you.
15:10:05 • Someone tried to rob you!
15:10:29 • |4291317840'censored'3 failed to steal from you.
15:10:30 • |4291317840 <lexem not found>
15:10:30 • |4291317840 <lexem not found>
15:10:30 • |4291317840 <lexem not found>
15:10:30 • |4291317840 <lexem not found>,ˆ¨ˆěő
15:10:30 • Someone tried to rob you!
*i noticed that he managed to steal 1 cap, so i gave him 2 haymaker slaps*
15:10:44 • 'censored'3 was critically hit in the head for 33 hit points, knocked out and had his armor bypassed.
15:10:46 • 'censored'3 was critically hit in the head for 20 hit points and was killed.
Really felt sorry for the guy tho.. :(
Imagine how much he sucked in his life untill he got a skill level high enough to be able to steal. How many times he got killed, because he wasnt a powerbuild. How many times you PKd him.
@Phobos: Why is your hp and ac censored?
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I dont really see the point in your story.
The guy attacked you ...
Here i am talking of being stole in a guarded city, the guy pass it and is not caught, you verify your inventory and the trick, you can't do nothing.
It's not easy to see this, he could have runaway the time you verify, but no, he keep going and say insanity and you still can't do anything cause if you try you are the one shot ...
(http://test.legends-of-olympia.net/Divers/thief.PNG)
And when you see this kind of thing right in front of guards i feel like there is really a bad issue. Guards should do something even if it's not firing them straight away.
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I just got tired of shooting and such. Don't feel sorry about your stuff though. You did not have anything useful. And i think you should have considered my suggestion in red letters. Maybe in that case i would have returned your crap.
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yea so what? i'd rather get robbed than killed and robbed, and robbers have to spend a lot more skill point to be any good
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looks like you both had fun :D
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When you are killed, it's because you are not in guarded city, or taking risques or doing dumb things.
When you follow beginner guide, you stay in guarded city to lv a bit.
But here is the fact you have some guys stealing you over and over and you can't do nothing about it, and that's bassically an "exploit".
A game is interactiion between player and game, here it's nothing, you can do what you want, there is no spare, and moreover the guy say insanity, sooo good.
I mean he use lame issue on players that can't fight back or even try to, and they are happy about that and no one see the issue.
And i don't care the guy say he would have given it back, yeah for sure ... but it's not the issue (if he steal and no one notice or he's gone when you notice, ok), here is something completly lame cause even if you notice, the only that risk death is you ...
Why the rules forbid to camp and PK on spawn points? It's exactly the same for me, you can't do nothing.
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You can kill in guarded city, its called bombing and you just need some other guy to loot the body
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Yeah so good there's nothing bad after all, the rest is so insane, why bother about that :/
(it's a sarcasm)
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Looks like you got serious A-class BUTTHURT.
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When you are killed, it's because you are not in guarded city, or taking risques or doing dumb things.
When you follow beginner guide, you stay in guarded city to lv a bit.
But here is the fact you have some guys stealing you over and over and you can't do nothing about it, and that's bassically an "exploit".
A game is interactiion between player and game, here it's nothing, you can do what you want, there is no spare, and moreover the guy say insanity, sooo good.
I mean he use lame issue on players that can't fight back or even try to, and they are happy about that and no one see the issue.
And i don't care the guy say he would have given it back, yeah for sure ... but it's not the issue (if he steal and no one notice or he's gone when you notice, ok), here is something completly lame cause even if you notice, the only that risk death is you ...
Why the rules forbid to camp and PK on spawn points? It's exactly the same for me, you can't do nothing.
stay near guards so then they will notice the thief and fuck him up :> i see you in vault city often so just join vc, and attack the thief, guards will pwn him no matter what.
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Yeah but if i join VC i'll have some troubles with other factions right? (and i don't meet requirements)
And i stay near guard as possible, but i got stolen while crafting, there is a guard near brahmin he didn't notice nothing :/
So where i should be exactly from guard? Cause it seem i was not so far away from one.
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Yeah but if i join VC i'll have some troubles with other factions right? (and i don't meet requirements)
And i stay near guard as possible, but i got stolen while crafting, there is a guard near brahmin he didn't notice nothing :/
So where i should be exactly from guard? Cause it seem i was not so far away from one.
well if you would be citizen there is one workbench in maintenance center inside city so it would be safe for you. And you would be only shot by few factions (enclave who will you never meet, gecko caravans but since you will find them mostly in encounters with vc patrols or caravans they will defend you, and mutants near v13 which is not commonly visited place neither). And requirements you can always do quest, which is easy, if i meet you in vc i might be able even to help for you, still quest description is in wiki.
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Average player cant steal, suicide bombing is actually easyer then stealing. But theres just soo many ways you can counter a steal, like i dont know, ...step away from him.
But ok, i have an idea.
How about: Guards will ALLWAYS see if someone steals, but do nothing unless he succeeds. BTW if they fail you can kill them. IF they suceed, then guards intercept UNARMED, and chase the thief out of the city shouting "STOP! THIEF!" He loses karma, and gains a "thief" tag over time, that doesnt let the players kill him, just that when the thief has negativ karma that would otherwise result in instant death, they would rather chase him unarmed the second he steps in the city. He could sneak however, but high enough sneak+steal? Impossible.
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Average player cant steal, suicide bombing is actually easyer then stealing. But theres just soo many ways you can counter a steal, like i dont know, ...step away from him.
But ok, i have an idea.
How about: Guards will ALLWAYS see if someone steals, but do nothing unless he succeeds. BTW if they fail you can kill them. IF they suceed, then guards intercept UNARMED, and chase the thief out of the city shouting "STOP! THIEF!" He loses karma, and gains a "thief" tag over time, that doesnt let the players kill him, just that when the thief has negativ karma that would otherwise result in instant death, they would rather chase him unarmed the second he steps in the city. He could sneak however, but high enough sneak+steal? Impossible.
Average player cant shoot, suicide bombing is actually easyer then shootin'. But theres just soo many ways you can counter a shot, like i dont know, ...step away from the firing sector.
But ok, i have an idea.
How about: Guards will ALLWAYS see if someone has a gun, but do nothing unless he takes it out. BTW if they fail you can kill them. IF they suceed, then guards intercept UNARMED, and chase the gunfighter out of the city shouting "STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM!" He loses karma, and gains a "thug" tag over time, that doesnt let the players kill him, just that when the thug has negativ karma that would otherwise result in instant death, they would rather chase him unarmed the second he steps in the city. He could sneak however, but high enough sneak+gun skill? Impossible.
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"But theres just soo many ways you can counter a steal, like i dont know, ...step away from him."
Untrue. I was at workbench and when i saw him acting i moved, but that didn't change anything, it was allready done. So steping away don't work.
You can move the craft window to see your character when crafting and that's what i do allways exactly for avoiding this and it don't work.
Once again stealing is not the issue, the issue is that if you notice him, you are stuck with no option.
Yeah maybe an alternative to instant kill for thiefs could be great if they got caught and something leting guys who notice steal could act.
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If a thief steals at all from anybody and you see him/notice There should be a Gaurd thing where you can report that person for the offence. Like lets say ummm Firedude211 just pickpocketed your 20 caps, you can go to a gaurd say you wanna report someone then click Say: "Firedude211" and the gaurd will go and confront him asking him to relinquish the stolen goods after he has searched him, if the search is a success The gaurd will return to you with the caps and give them back. BUT the thief still has a chance to hide them before the gaurd notices. Making Thieving not only balanced but not totally relying on percentage and gaurd perception but your own perception and the thiefs Own brain to hide the goods till he knows the heat has died down for the goods.
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As always people hate thiefs but dunno how hard a thief's life is.
Since a thief can only steal and can't fight, as someone said, I think they are already penalized enough, think about the horrible reputation drop regardless if you succesfull steal or not, and the hard times someone get at the start.
Obviously a master thief with high skill has an easy life... so what? Everyone specialized in something and with high skill has an easy life...