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Title: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: MRtrader on April 22, 2013, 12:21:39 pm
hey hows this one.. probably gonna use rockets or maybe a avenger if i can get it

(http://s24.postimg.org/un662f1ph/11_fallout.png) (http://postimage.org/)
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: xsarq on April 22, 2013, 12:26:35 pm
214hp for Big Gunner? They gonna eat you alive. I`m not playing PvP but 214 is too little even for farming if done with big gunner.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: MRtrader on April 22, 2013, 01:20:30 pm
yeah your right...maybe raise strength and turn luck a bit down?
anyways the character planner site just went down...i asked around it's not only my problem
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: Furior on April 22, 2013, 01:21:53 pm
Avenger without BRD is a bad idea... And you dont need to raise ST to get hp, you need lifegiver perks.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: MRtrader on April 22, 2013, 01:24:11 pm
Quote from: Furior on April 22, 2013, 01:21:53 pm
Avenger without BRD is a bad idea... And you dont need to raise ST you get hp, you need lifegiver perks.

ok thanks.. good thing i asked if this was a good build first
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: Cyber Jesus on April 22, 2013, 01:24:36 pm
(http://s2.postimg.org/tcil12n4p/rocketeer.png)
(http://s23.postimg.org/4dsht5ba3/rocket_launcher_tenk.png)
Both rocket launcher tanks, first uses beer,psycho,nuka and cigs and secons uses jet,beer,psycho,nuka and cigs, i think
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: Furior on April 22, 2013, 01:29:17 pm
Beer??? I wouldnt use beer, if you use rockets you need a good PE to shoot at long ranges
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: Cyber Jesus on April 22, 2013, 01:30:59 pm
Quote from: Furior on April 22, 2013, 01:29:17 pm
Beer??? I wouldnt use beer, if you use rockets you need a good PE to shoot at long ranges
These stats are when they are drugged, 7 PE is enough.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: Tomowolf on April 22, 2013, 02:01:43 pm
First thing, get only 6 pe + sharpshooter or 7 pe w/o it, because you won't shoot at bigger range than 40, but sight is needed.
If you want, use drugs, those most cheap jet and buffout, if you can afford psycho, then go for fully drug build like this here:
(https://i.imgur.com/xsDwmZq.jpg)
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: MRtrader on April 22, 2013, 02:09:39 pm
thanks all i really appreciate the feedback! especially with the character planner down at the moment
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: -Max Payne- on April 22, 2013, 02:34:33 pm
214 hp is ok if the build is resistant

But take 1 point in intel and put it in ST, may be 2, 3 in intel is ok for biguner.

Ch, End, Luck, And aG is ok i think.

I would use buff+psycho+beer to have a nice resistant and 7 ST.

Weapon handling sucks, if you use buffout + pyscho you will have enough ST..

So remove weapon handling, and take even tougher, better as tougnhess.


Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: DeputyDope on April 22, 2013, 05:53:00 pm
use cyberjesus' builds if you want to get raped by 60HP laser pistol sneakers.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: Dark. on April 22, 2013, 06:00:29 pm
Quote from: DeputyDope on April 22, 2013, 05:53:00 pm
use cyberjesus' builds if you want to get raped by 60HP laser pistol sneakers.
+1. 1 LK is the worst thing for a PvP build.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: Cyber Jesus on April 22, 2013, 07:37:01 pm
Quote from: DeputyDope on April 22, 2013, 05:53:00 pm
use cyberjesus' builds if you want to get raped by 60HP laser pistol sneakers.
I don't think you know what you're talking about,for you pvp is shooting bluesuit noobs with m60 so I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: DeputyDope on April 22, 2013, 07:46:04 pm
Quote from: Cyber Jesus on April 22, 2013, 07:37:01 pm
I don't think you know what you're talking about,for you pvp is shooting bluesuit noobs with m60 so I'm not surprised.

ok then. i'll reinstall this game, level a EW sneaker that uses magneto laser pistols with one hander and 60HP, then we fight. you take psycho, CAmk2, avenger minigun, ill come in bluesuit with the cheapest pistol in the game and we see who wins. deal?

luck is MANDATORY for pvp characters, but since you "pvp" so much you probably didn't know that.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: Cyber Jesus on April 22, 2013, 07:48:05 pm
I'd say deal but i know that you're not going to do that because you know you will loose.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: DeputyDope on April 22, 2013, 07:49:41 pm
Quote from: Cyber Jesus on April 22, 2013, 07:48:05 pm
I'd say deal but i know that you're not going to do that because you know you will loose.

i won't do that because i don't have the time to prove myself to dumb, stubborn douche-bags like you.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: Cyber Jesus on April 22, 2013, 07:51:55 pm
Quote from: DeputyDope on April 22, 2013, 07:46:04 pm
deal?
2 minutes later:
Quote from: DeputyDope on April 22, 2013, 07:49:41 pm
i won't do that
I'm done talking to you.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: DeputyDope on April 22, 2013, 07:53:51 pm
Quote from: Cyber Jesus on April 22, 2013, 07:51:55 pm
I'm done talking to you.

you being done talking to me doesn't change the fact that those characters you posted are shit.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: greenthumb on April 22, 2013, 08:00:39 pm
bad build....

...bad build....

...bad build

MRTrader keep improving your own build, i may point out whats wrong and you ll try improve it

1.Weapon handling is not good for rockeeter,aswell its not necessary but you ll have to use all drugs except beer. Almost every PVP ape is junkie swallowing 5 drugs at once.

2. tougness is crap perk, better take adrenaline rush since it improves all resists.

3. your BG skill with PE determines your chance to hit, so you should toy a bit with FCP to know what is necessary skill to have 95% chance to hit on max range, also PE should allow you to shoot with max weapon range.

4.Action boys are not necessary for any PVP build, you will have enought AP if you ll become "real junkie".

5. I had never FA skill more than 50% on any build( not even PVE) but if you think it will be useful...( i would suggest to stop selling SS for cheap money and keep them for your build )

If you decide to improve your build following this hints, please post result of your efforts here, so we can discuss it again.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: DeputyDope on April 22, 2013, 08:20:34 pm
Quote from: greenthumb on April 22, 2013, 08:00:39 pm

4.Action boys are not necessary for any PVP build, you will have enought AP if you ll become "real junkie".


joke of the century right here. take jet on your BG build so you'll have shittier damage resist and die faster! that extra action boy increases AP regen so it's always a must if you're aiming for RT double burster.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: greenthumb on April 22, 2013, 08:25:01 pm
dope please, wasting 2 perks  for smthing you can make with 3 drugs on PVP alt??....

Action boys sux, please stop commenting

EDIT
Quote from: DeputyDope on April 22, 2013, 08:27:31 pm
it's not wasting 2 perks, it's wasting ONE perk. and what you suggested him indirectly was to take jet on his BG which is noobish as hell.
having 50%+AR resist on RL is rly enough, believe me, its not avenger or gatling tank with 75%+ resist, his role is not to take damage, but disable damage dealers.

Also please stop posting too many messages without real content. Becouse this guy will be unable to find a needle in this trash thread.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: DeputyDope on April 22, 2013, 08:27:31 pm
Quote from: greenthumb on April 22, 2013, 08:25:01 pm
dope please, wasting 2 perks  for smthing you can make with 3 drugs on PVP alt??....

Action boys sux, please stop commenting

it's not wasting 2 perks, it's wasting ONE perk. and what you suggested him indirectly was to take jet on his BG which is noobish as hell.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: C.H.A.R.L.I.E on April 22, 2013, 10:36:12 pm
I'm surprised at all the bad builds in this thread. 1 luck? Ahaahahahahaaahaha.. oh wow..! Even Tomowolfs build has too low luck (3). No, a standart drugged avenger build looks like this:
(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s604/DogsAtCards/avengerdrugged2_zps88764934.jpg) (http://s1308.photobucket.com/user/DogsAtCards/media/avengerdrugged2_zps88764934.jpg.html)
It uses jet, psycho, buffout cola and cig. The last perk is More Ranged Damage at lvl 24.

If you dont want to use [expensive] drugs take 1 point from agility for specials 6 6 10 1 2 9 5, and use cig\cola\beer. If you want undrugged with 12 AP, take Action Boy instead of Lifegivers and have 196 HP total.

If you want a rocket builds that a whole different story. Basically, youre either rocket or avenger- Like you dont need BRDs with a rocket build, rather you want crit and spray and pray or something like that. Also, someone said something about sight. This build cant see 35 hex, which is max avenger range. No point in seeing any farther than you can shoot; In hinkley its pointless, and in TC you have sniper\sneaker\rocketeer allies who does the scouting.


C.H.A.R.L.I.E
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: DeputyDope on April 22, 2013, 10:45:22 pm
Quote from: greenthumb on April 22, 2013, 08:25:01 pm

EDIThaving 50%+AR resist on RL is rly enough, believe me, its not avenger or gatling tank with 75%+ resist, his role is not to take damage, but disable damage dealers.

Also please stop posting too many messages without real content. Becouse this guy will be unable to find a needle in this trash thread.

you want his first pvp (BG) build to be a rocketeer TC build that won't be able to kill npcs without teammates' support? he's not gonna disable shit with a rocket launcher.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: Brujah on April 23, 2013, 12:44:13 am
Quote from: DeputyDope on April 22, 2013, 05:53:00 pm
use cyberjesus' builds if you want to get raped by 60HP laser pistol sneakers.

I didn't get it first but then I lol'd like fuck when I saw 1 LK.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: greenthumb on April 23, 2013, 12:48:31 am
Quote from: DeputyDope on April 22, 2013, 10:45:22 pm
you want his first pvp (BG) build to be a rocketeer TC build that won't be able to kill npcs without teammates' support? he's not gonna disable shit with a rocket launcher.

dope i rly dont understand your thinking, he asked PVP build for Rocketlauncher or avenger, why should this build be able to kill solo NPCs? Whats the point??!

Also i dont understant why would such build be unable to kill NPCs? Abstraction?!-..__==--~~-asdf
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: Furior on April 23, 2013, 02:03:03 am
The first thing we should know its what he is going to do with the BG. Solo pvp? TC? Reno? Trolling ncr? I would say Rocket Builds are mainly for TC. If he is not going to do TC it may be better to choose an avenger built...
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: MRtrader on April 23, 2013, 08:40:54 am
Quote from: Furior on April 23, 2013, 02:03:03 am
The first thing we should know its what he is going to do with the BG. Solo pvp? TC? Reno? Trolling ncr? I would say Rocket Builds are mainly for TC. If he is not going to do TC it may be better to choose an avenger built...

well i was thinking of joining a faction for some PVP. So i guess that would probabbly mean TC.
Not trolling NCR though.

Thanks for all the feedback weapon handeling is apperently a big no no my bad. lol
I'll post a new build asap edit: scratch that i think Charlie hit the nail on the head

however which build avenger or rocketeer would be best for a beginning pvp er? I think i can manage the drugs (is farming jet easy?).
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: greenthumb on April 23, 2013, 12:57:06 pm
Charlies avenger build is better one. I would modify it. But it might be just my taste.

Best PVP character for begginer is Rockeeter, you would learn a lot about character statistics if you would follow my hints over, but it would not be time-free as you can see. Also if you will PM me in IRC i may advice much faster and we can make some good rockeeter build quite fast.

Yes farming jet is realy easy, you can basicaly grab free jets on slaveruns.
EDIT:
Added some modified charlies avenger builds, depends on you which you prefer.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: DeputyDope on April 23, 2013, 01:27:13 pm
Quote from: Cyber Jesus on April 22, 2013, 07:48:05 pm
you know you will loose.

it seems i didn't lose.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: -Max Payne- on April 23, 2013, 01:49:14 pm
I agree for the luck

I have create 5 different big gunners

The bigguner with 10lk is very very better, no ranged but nice critic, a lot of hp, nice res.

My first big guner with 2lk is totally shit, my friend kill me with pancor char, or cripled me so easy.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: greenthumb on April 23, 2013, 01:55:40 pm
I dont think LK influence chance to be crippled/Kd/Ko, or am i wrong?
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: -Max Payne- on April 23, 2013, 01:57:16 pm
Quote from: DeputyDope on April 22, 2013, 08:20:34 pm
joke of the century right here. take jet on your BG build so you'll have shittier damage resist and die faster! that extra action boy increases AP regen so it's always a must if you're aiming for RT double burster.

Jet ok will fuck your resistance.

But action boy for pvp char is shit, because you need to take 2 action boy+10ag to have the 2 burst without drugs, so you will use 2 perks, and in pvp the most important is the reloaded time for the AP, if you have 10 ap and a high reload, the next burst will come very fast. Jet for PVp build is totallyu shit.

1. PVP build M60 without BRD, full critic(25%), full res, 10AP

2. PVP build avenger with full brd, no lifegiver, a minimum of critic, 2 shoot, and high res.

3.PVP build full hp, one shoot, full res some critic ( 3 lifegiver is a lot of perk..)

4.PVP build with mrd, 2 shoot , and 21% critic, 215hp.

CHEM resistant, is a good way for a PVP-FARM char

Put 12 ap without drugs, chem resistant, you can have 14ap with jet, very nice for farm to have 2 shoots with m60 and 2 ap more.
That is for me the better bigguners.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: -Max Payne- on April 23, 2013, 01:58:00 pm
Quote from: greenthumb on April 23, 2013, 01:55:40 pm
I dont think LK influence chance to be crippled/Kd/Ko, or am i wrong?

You are wrong, we have do a lot of test. PVP build with 1lk is totally shit.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: greenthumb on April 23, 2013, 02:16:59 pm
Well, seems you are wrong, maybe you tested it wrong way too :P, but LK affects just bypasses, not KO or cripple chance. 
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: C.H.A.R.L.I.E on April 23, 2013, 08:48:17 pm
Quote from: greenthumb on April 23, 2013, 02:16:59 pm
Well, seems you are wrong, maybe you tested it wrong way too :P, but LK affects just bypasses, not KO or cripple chance. 

Acording to this [ http://falloutmods.wikia.com/wiki/Critical_hit_tables ] luck affects KO and cripple for eyes and head criticals. In my own experience i feel luck affects KO in general, but i cant support this claim with facts. Never played a crippler, so i dont know about crip.

About bypass, acording to GM Mayck, the bypass % looks like this:
(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s604/DogsAtCards/OkCYR_zps23fb9dc7.png) (http://s1308.photobucket.com/user/DogsAtCards/media/OkCYR_zps23fb9dc7.png.html)

so greenthumb when you look at the reduction in bypass chance between 4 and 5 luck, in addition to the KO and crit ressist to eyes and head, i'd say 5 luck is probably better than 3 int. Unless you get crippled, then 3 int (doc) is better...

At any rate, 210 BG for 95% CTH at 35hex vs 85% at 200 skill is overkill. Rather put those points in FA, cause hinkley happens.
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: greenthumb on April 23, 2013, 09:11:45 pm

Luck45Relative Less bypasses
CtBypass138-38%
CtBypass with BC2519-24%

you might be right aswell as you might be not :D, 95% CtHit for avenger on max range is not really necessary, thats true. So maybe higher luck will be better.

Btw have you considered this build? :D
http://www.nitue.net/#fcp/direct!id=9061&pass=lolo
Title: Re: my first PVP build would like a little feedback
Post by: C.H.A.R.L.I.E on April 23, 2013, 10:17:49 pm
Yeah. Specs  ;D. I'd tag unarmed instead of FA though, for awareness  ;)

Anyway, as i said, we're both right: it just depends: if you get bypassed, that sucks, and mine is better, but if you get crippled, that sucks even more, and then yours is better.