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Title: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: xsarq on April 17, 2013, 09:29:52 am
How to get Plasma Torch - True Story

I was leveling yet another ape (This one was designated to be Scientist + Quest Maker unlike my other Barterer + Quest Maker) I travelled to Hub in order to do some quests. At the entry i found stucked traveller yet untaken - i requestedhelp from deves, sended some messages on irc then got bored.

Noone came in like 5 min.

And after another 5 min...no one came

Next 5 min...got bored started moving around. Lets take a look whats in all those Lockers - guess what? They were empty. Suddenly i noticed a mysterious building in Hub called Clinic - yes it was empty, i noticed hidden well safe in one of the rooms - yes it was empty. While opening empty lockers and waiting i suddenly found closed doors behind the bar at the Falcon Bar. Closed doors? Interesting. I logged in on Lambhelt (Alt with 300lp) i tried LP`ing the lock - Failed, i went back into my Outpost brought Expended lockpicks and tried again - failed once again. I felt a little MAAAD, i logged onto my crafter brought 30 advancded powder and 5 detonators parts went into gunrunners advanced workbench and crafted 5 dynamites: "If those bartender thinks that can stop my Lockpicker he better thinks again" I transfered dynamites on to Lockpicker then i actived one dynamite and throwed it onto ground when..Yeah all persons in bar started attacking me i quickly dropped rest of dynamite into corner of building (yet unarmed) and tried escaping when Guardian with Minigun killed me. I respawned and went back to the Hub - dynamite armed and throwed onto doors was about to explode when some other guy came in - i warned him about dynamite but he was thoughly uninteresed and exited as quick as he entered oh well i picked up the unarmed dynamites and in the meantime the armed one exploded - screen shaken and the doors was open.

I came in and i noticed a...player? Or was it really player? It was NPC with nick like an player woud have. I clicked on him turned on it was teleporter!? What woud any of you do? Offcourse i agreed to teleport. I was moved into copy of Hub underground arena. it was empty. Totaly empty. I coudn`t get off the map because the stairs were inactive ("transmition timeout. Please wait.") i started to panic a little but i had my other 4 dynamites. I throwed 3 unarmed on the ground and turned on 1 to 0:01 "click, BOOM!" i exploded and had 8 minutes of replication time. I logged out with that one and logged in with my "work-in-progress scientist" alt i checked whether the npc is still there - he was. but other than trap npc there were alse stairs down. I went there. Location had 3 Npc with boring yellow text. There were soom lockers, locked empty though, since i was exploring i decided to search those, few of those really was empty but the 3 last ones had:
1 Cookie
Brotherhood Armor
Brotherhood Helmet
and...
PLASMA TORCH

I quickly grabbed those and went into tent with it. I relogged to check my trapped lockpicker. Dead wasn`t an answer - he was still in the arena area. I requsted help from deves again. This time someone appeared like in instant. It was Mayck. He teleported my trapped alt and curiosly asked about the stairs - turned on it was his little event room and that Trap teleporter wasn`t suppose to be there.

He also fixed the traveller and i took him - and that the whole story.

Little Screenes:
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Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: MRtrader on April 17, 2013, 09:48:01 am
BEST STORY EVER!  ;D
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Senocular on April 17, 2013, 10:01:49 am
You forgot to mention that he took your plasma torch.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: xsarq on April 17, 2013, 10:06:15 am
This time its good happy ending. Stuff is allready in my outpost hidden well into one of saves.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Kilgore on April 17, 2013, 10:25:20 am
yeah I thought the same when I kept my power armor, gauss rifle and G11E in my holy tent :(
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: JovankaB on April 17, 2013, 02:22:03 pm
The difference is his stuff isn't stolen from event.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Kilgore on April 17, 2013, 02:36:43 pm
And his vertibird was? stop being ridiculous  :P

We both know that he would have his items taken away as soon as you find out, if only you weren't so desperate to keep the remaining few players in game  :P

Btw since you show up again here, why do you jovanka keep breaking apart this once awesome faction mod?
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Nice_Boat on April 17, 2013, 02:46:47 pm
if only you weren't so desperate to keep the remaining few players in game  :P

If she was desperate she'd resign after reverting the server back to the 2010 state. She's on a mission to prove she's awesome and the players are wrong. Obviously she can't win, but she'll keep trying and the server will be hurt even more.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: xsarq on April 17, 2013, 02:52:22 pm
I have a feeling that each time i post a story, trolls gonna hijack the thread anyway :/

I think that there is network of such hidden rooms scattered through the world map. Some are allready discovered (like that Clinic Room or the PA in Brotherhood Storage), some might still be intact - i think that Vaulticty may have treasure room but its heavily guarded - one player simple cannot break the security...unless there`s some tricky way which i don`t yet know.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Dark. on April 17, 2013, 03:23:43 pm

I think that there is network of such hidden rooms scattered through the world map. Some are allready discovered (like that Clinic Room or the PA in Brotherhood Storage), some might still be intact -
Vindicator Minigun and 4.7 Caseless Ammo can also be found. I won't tell how and where.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: xsarq on April 17, 2013, 03:31:03 pm
I have list of Places i want to Check:

-San Fran Tanker
-Navarro
-Serra Base
-Milliatary Base
-Vaultcity
-Necropolis Vault

There might be something there. This Vindicator woud be nice find but i woud rather search for APA :)


Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Tomowolf on April 17, 2013, 03:40:27 pm
I have list of Places i want to Check:

-San Fran Tanker
-Navarro
-Serra Base
-Milliatary Base
-Vaultcity
-Necropolis Vault

There might be something there. This Vindicator woud be nice find but i woud rather search for APA :)
You can pick out Necro Vault and Mariposa&Sierra, all I've searched already :p.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: DeputyDope on April 17, 2013, 03:44:12 pm
just give him a cookie and science his plasma torch already
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Mike Crosser on April 17, 2013, 04:02:30 pm
You can pick out Necro Vault and Mariposa&Sierra, all I've searched already :p.
Not really sure for sierra,sine some levels are closed off.
Maybe gold diggers missed something?

Also this is 3rd item of the wipe,as stated by the prophet.


Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Tomowolf on April 17, 2013, 04:03:51 pm
Not really sure for sierra,sine some levels are closed off.
Maybe gold diggers missed something?

Also this is 3rd item of the wipe,as stated by the prophet.
I've tried enetering them in any possible way, so no :- ).
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Mayck on April 17, 2013, 04:05:10 pm
And his vertibird was? stop being ridiculous  :P

We both know that he would have his items taken away as soon as you find out, if only you weren't so desperate to keep the remaining few players in game  :P
I used the room under Hub as my personal GM base since last summer, it never got raided. So after abandoning that room several months ago, i left there Brotherhood armor and Plasma torch there as a reward if someone found it.

Btw since you show up again here, why do you jovanka keep breaking apart this once awesome faction mod?
If she was desperate she'd resign after reverting the server back to the 2010 state. She's on a mission to prove she's awesome and the players are wrong. Obviously she can't win, but she'll keep trying and the server will be hurt even more.
Fun fact... Jovanka isn't responsible for most of the nerfs she gets blame for (but I understand that, some people will never forgive the brahmin shit nerf and blame her for everything). Perhaps you two should stop being smartasses when you talk about stuff you know nothing about.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Chrupek on April 17, 2013, 04:37:30 pm
So can you tell us who fucked up? No, because you dont give a fuck about players this time, just as usual.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: DeputyDope on April 17, 2013, 04:39:00 pm
So can you tell us who fucked up? No, because you dont give a fuck about players this time, just as usual.

they won't tell who fucked up. it's easier to just give some crappy ambiguous reply that makes more questions rather than give solid answers.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Dark. on April 17, 2013, 04:46:21 pm
I have list of Places i want to Check:

-San Fran Tanker
-Navarro
-Serra Base
-Milliatary Base
-Vaultcity
-Necropolis Vault

There might be something there. This Vindicator woud be nice find but i woud rather search for APA :)
You won't find it in those place you just mentioned.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: -Max Payne- on April 17, 2013, 04:46:33 pm
Oh nice, very nice..

It seems that i play for 3 years and dont know all about the game  ;D

I'm happy that some new players try some things like this...
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Alvarez on April 17, 2013, 04:57:10 pm
Try some rooms in Redding.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Wipe on April 17, 2013, 07:12:04 pm
they won't tell who fucked up. it's easier to just give some crappy ambiguous reply that makes more questions rather than give solid answers.
Yes (http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3r2p7t/).
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: DeputyDope on April 17, 2013, 07:38:09 pm
Yes (http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3r2p7t/).

funny. almost as funny as 40 players max on the server.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Wipe on April 17, 2013, 08:05:58 pm
funny. almost as funny as 40 players max on the server.
Oh geez, i am so hurt, now gtfo and be whining bitch somewhere else.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Nice_Boat on April 17, 2013, 08:07:55 pm
Fun fact... Jovanka isn't responsible for most of the nerfs she gets blame for (but I understand that, some people will never forgive the brahmin shit nerf and blame her for everything). Perhaps you two should stop being smartasses when you talk about stuff you know nothing about.

Nobody cares, Jovanka is the perfect poster-girl for the bullshit direction 2238 went. Besides you're the one who's acting like a smartass here, your game is basically dead, it's your fault and yet you still try talking from the position of power and authority. It's laughable, but it used to work a year ago because 2238 had no competition. Right now there's TLA, it's still laughable and nobody's going to buy into that "I'm smarter and I know better because I'm a dev" crap, so just stop trying.

Oh geez, i am so hurt, now gtfo and be whining bitch somewhere else.
Whoa, careful, that post was so edgy I almost cut myself.

*sigh* all the developer teen angst here... I'm not even sure whether it's hilarious or pathetic.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: DeputyDope on April 17, 2013, 08:12:23 pm
Oh geez, i am so hurt, now gtfo and be whining bitch somewhere else.

ok, i'll gtfo and leave your arrogant assholes alone.  keep acting like a smart-ass among 40 players left, maybe you'll feel better about yourself.

now either you apologize for the bullshit you posted or ban me, i don't really give a fuck because i'll get my answer either way.

bye bye 2238!

Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Wipe on April 17, 2013, 08:18:24 pm
bye bye 2238!
And don't forget one thing - don't come back. We have enough morons around which are here just to repost same old bullshit, especially in last two weeks. Do us all a favor and don't go down so low.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Nice_Boat on April 17, 2013, 08:21:32 pm
And don't forget one thing - don't come back. We have enough morons around which are here just to repost same old bullshit, especially in last two weeks. Do us all a favor and don't go down so low.

Are you sure? I mean you just lost about 5% of your playerbase, that'd be like 1,000,000 people if the server had the population of New York!
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: DeputyDope on April 17, 2013, 08:28:35 pm
And don't forget one thing - don't come back. We have enough morons around which are here just to repost same old bullshit, especially in last two weeks. Do us all a favor and don't go down so low.

and do us all a favor, grow some balls and admit you fucked up. big-time.

ok, i won't come back, i promise. and a promise is a promise.

Title: DEV DEFENSE FORCE
Post by: davrot on April 17, 2013, 08:46:50 pm
Are you sure? I mean you just lost about 5% of your playerbase, that'd be like 1,000,000 people if the server had the population of New York!
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Section 8, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on BBS and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire NCR armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the NCR and your alt is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in PvP combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Brotherhood of Steel and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Surf on April 17, 2013, 08:48:11 pm
;D

That was beautiful ;P
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: xsarq on April 17, 2013, 08:51:33 pm
You forgot pic

(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6629729280/hE4555FDF/)
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: greenthumb on April 17, 2013, 08:54:43 pm
bye bye 2238!

Good Work Devs, i will rly enjoy this
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: niga_pls on April 17, 2013, 09:02:20 pm
...
Title: Re: DEV DEFENSE FORCE
Post by: Nice_Boat on April 17, 2013, 09:02:37 pm
...

u are 1 fukin cheeky rat mate i swear i am goin 2 wreck u i swear on my mums life and i no u are scared lil bitch gettin your dev mates to send me messages saying dont meet up coz u r sum big bastard with rockits lol fukin sad mate really sad jus shows what a scared lil mutie boy u are and whats all this crap ur mates sendin me about sum madmaxin website that 1 of your faverite places to look at floaties u lil fukin mutie boy radio me if u got da balls cheeky pigrat see if u can step up lil ghoul.


 ;D
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Mayck on April 17, 2013, 09:07:21 pm
Besides you're the one who's acting like a smartass here, your game is basically dead, it's your fault and yet you still try talking from the position of power and authority. It's laughable, but it used to work a year ago because 2238 had no competition. Right now there's TLA, it's still laughable and nobody's going to buy into that "I'm smarter and I know better because I'm a dev" crap, so just stop trying.
I think you tried to read too much between the lines in my post. I didn't mean it that I am smarter than you... What i really meant was, that you don't see inside the 2238 development and yet you treat your opinions about it as facts.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Rain on April 17, 2013, 09:12:08 pm
2238 forum is ultimate.No dead game has better community than this one,forum is alive,everything else is dead or dying.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Nice_Boat on April 17, 2013, 09:20:16 pm
I think you tried to read too much between the lines in my post. I didn't mean it that I am smarter than you... What i really meant was, that you don't see inside the 2238 development and yet you treat your opinions about it as facts.

I think that neither Kilgore nor me is all that interested, basically the changes fit Jovanka's modus operandi and if they indeed were introduced by someone else than that person outjovanka'd Jovanka, which means that person is bad and should feel bad. Either way you're all to blame for not pointing out how much they sucked during the testing process. Besides, the arrogant/aggressive behavior you all seem to assume once people start pointing fingers and demanding answers is not really helping you... I mean Wipe is basically asking for some hardcore trolling with the stuff she's posted since it became obvious that the ship is sinking.

Seriously guys, get your shit together because nothing's as pathetic as a developer acting like an angry teenage boy. Either ignore the players and keep building the hipster server that about 10 people want to play or bring back the old and liked gameplay mechanics and stop messing around with this stuff because you clearly aren't up to the task. Throwing tantrums and talking smack about people who care about "your" game enough to stick around is like the worst thing you can do.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Wipe on April 17, 2013, 09:32:33 pm
and do us all a favor, grow some balls and admit you fucked up. big-time.
And even if - so what? We're just humans (at least most of us :P). We do what we like/love for nothing, not even a silly "thanks". At least i stopped to work for players and do things i do for the game itself. Tiny, yet so huge difference.

Anyway, we have a full right to screw up, we have full right to make bigger or smaller mistakes. That's how this shit works, either you do something good or bad. Nothing is hardcoded, especially in mmo. Yea, there are things which are are broken, there are things which does not work as intended - again, so what? You expected bigcompany product from a small team of few folks with bit too much of free time? Fuck, man... We will do what we must. But we do it for Aiur. Not you.
Did we fucked up? Can't say, so far i see only little bitches across whole forum spamming same old thing. I'd start to worry when i see specific events among team, not typical bullshit across the forum. I'm not going anywhere, i still have a few things to do before i could say "that's all folks". Afaik few other people among the staff too, and ideas are growing faster than their implementation - what's natural here. Keep reading and posting how 2238 is dead if it makes you happy, we're not going anywhere.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Mike Crosser on April 17, 2013, 09:35:15 pm
...
..!
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Tomowolf on April 17, 2013, 09:38:34 pm
And even if - so what? We're just humans (at least most of us :P). We do what we like/love for nothing, not even a silly "thanks". At least i stopped to work for players and do things i do for the game itself. Tiny, yet so huge difference.

Anyway, we have a full right to screw up, we have full right to make bigger or smaller mistakes. That's how this shit works, either you do something good or bad. Nothing is hardcoded, especially in mmo. Yea, there are things which are are broken, there are things which does not work as intended - again, so what? You expected bigcompany product from a small team of few folks with bit too much of free time? Fuck, man... We will do what we must. But we do it for Aiur. Not you.
Did we fucked up? Can't say, so far i see only little bitches across whole forum spamming same old thing. I'd start to worry when i see specific events among team, not typical bullshit across the forum. I'm not going anywhere, i still have a few things to do before i could say "that's all folks". Afaik few other people among the staff too, and ideas are growing faster than their implementation - what's natural here. Keep reading and posting how 2238 is dead if it makes you happy, we're not going anywhere.
That's quite true, but why won't get any answers of what's now happening in the staff, what's are you planning, or what are you doing at the moment, and why some features have been deleted, instead being repaired?
Just those questions, and I guess those "little" whiny bitches will go off.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: DeputyDope on April 17, 2013, 09:44:04 pm
Anyway, we have a full right to screw up,

just like you have a full right to insult the remaining 40 players on the server. if you don't want critique and/or people's opinions just say so and stop wasting everyone's time.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: greenthumb on April 17, 2013, 09:48:49 pm
just like you have a full right to insult the remaining 40 players on the server. if you don't want critique and/or people's opinions just say so and stop wasting everyone's time.

Its too late to be nice, dope, it was planned to make you quit this way and it will be added to next changelog also, just go...
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Nice_Boat on April 17, 2013, 09:54:10 pm
Keep reading and posting how 2238 is dead if it makes you happy, we're not going anywhere.

You keep acting as if that was your decision to make, but you're so wrong it almost physically pains me each time a dev blurts out this bullshit. The players make that call. Right now, your mistakes are pushing this game into obscurity.

Yeah, you can act cool and pretend like you don't give a damn... but it would be beneficial for the players, the game and even for you if you finally started listening to what people have been asking for for years.

But then again yeah, you're probably going to ignore this advice and continue building that amazing awesome hipster server 5 guys will like, whatever - it's your wasted effort, not mine. It's a shame the work of scypior, Solar, ghosthack etc. will be lost due to this kind of attitude, but then again people have already had their fun, so the old guard is probably going to be fondly remembered. You guys? Not so much I guess, but getting pissed and flaming people is not the correct course of action if you want to change that.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: DeputyDope on April 17, 2013, 10:00:38 pm
Its too late to be nice, dope, it was planned to make you quit this way and it will be added to next changelog also, just go...

i know you have a boner about me leaving, but i really don't care about it. you're just a nobody that enjoys pounding rocks and killing npc's 24/7 and playing a multiplayer game in singleplayer mode. have fun playing with yourself, some people got other stuff to do than grind.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Wipe on April 17, 2013, 10:05:13 pm
That's quite true, but why won't get any answers of what's now happening in the staff, what's are you planning, or what are you doing at the moment, and why some features have been deleted, instead being repaired?
Just those questions, and I guess those "little" whiny bitches will go off.
You can't repeat same thing expecting different results; i do remember and miss times when average player like me could talk with Solar about the changes. I really liked it, even if i didn't get a shit when he got into details why item x costs 100 and not 110 caps... but there was others, which could. And Solar's chit-chats with them most likely helped to tune things up. There's no such people now, these which could help keep the same tone everywhere, so they're no help now - stopped at the point of "i don't play it", without courage/strong will/balls to just let it go. It happens, yes. With who we have to talk? People which actually want to keep this little project go further and have something in the head, are hardly seen between the so-called oldtimers which are still here just to mess around. What for? I'd rather see new faces which have something to say and can explain their vision, not old farts which are stuck with putting their opinions about the game whenever typing is possible. Even if they don't know shit about it.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Senocular on April 17, 2013, 10:13:54 pm
You can't repeat same thing expecting different results; i do remember and miss times when average player like me could talk with Solar about the changes. I really liked it, even if i didn't get a shit when he got into details why item x costs 100 and not 110 caps... but there was others, which could. And Solar's chit-chats with them most likely helped to tune things up. There's no such people now, these which could help keep the same tone everywhere, so they're no help now - stopped at the point of "i don't play it", without courage/strong will/balls to just let it go. It happens, yes. With who we have to talk? People which actually want to keep this little project go further and have something in the head, are hardly seen between the so-called oldtimers which are still here just to mess around. What for? I'd rather see new faces which have something to say and can explain their vision, not old farts which are stuck with putting their opinions about the game whenever typing is possible. Even if they don't know shit about it.
I don't even where to start...

T-888 we need you!
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Tomowolf on April 17, 2013, 10:14:57 pm
You can't repeat same thing expecting different results; i do remember and miss times when average player like me could talk with Solar about the changes. I really liked it, even if i didn't get a shit when he got into details why item x costs 100 and not 110 caps... but there was others, which could. And Solar's chit-chats with them most likely helped to tune things up. There's no such people now, these which could help keep the same tone everywhere, so they're no help now - stopped at the point of "i don't play it", without courage/strong will/balls to just let it go. It happens, yes. With who we have to talk? People which actually want to keep this little project go further and have something in the head, are hardly seen between the so-called oldtimers which are still here just to mess around. What for? I'd rather see new faces which have something to say and can explain their vision, not old farts which are stuck with putting their opinions about the game whenever typing is possible. Even if they don't know shit about it.
If player like me does give a shit about it, because I liked to play there, and want "moar", why don't you continue it then?
Only players "which want to help" are asslickers and gms wannabes to play with their friends around and spawn shit, it shouldn't go this way, should it?
And this just showed up in latest session, that we got 3 groups of players, the first one, as you called them "old farts", the second "ass lickers" and the last but not least, newbies along with casual players, which doesn't care much on the changes, because they aren't there from it's beginnings.
I don't want to post shitwall of text about me and my feelings, but I'm there from some time, and started interesting "why" and "how" are things going in development status since 2010, and some changes are great, as stated, but most of them aren't discussed with ANY, group of players and if they are - they' ve been discussed with sissies and cryers about nerf "this and that", the closed beta tests looked as just outfitter being added to NCR, but with lesser amount of players - that was horrible idea.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: BenKain on April 17, 2013, 10:15:22 pm
Wait, what, huh? How do the players matter, even one shit, to the way the game is developed? At its root, this is the devs game to with what they wish.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Tomowolf on April 17, 2013, 10:17:38 pm
Wait, what, huh? How do the players matter, even one shit, to the way the game is developed? At its root, this is the devs game to with what they wish.
From my statistics (may be wrong), most of DEVs aren't active in game "lately*".

Well, then if they add random changes, who's gonna play the game, because they won't start for example TC, because there aren't enough DEVs in staff to create two teams  ;D.


Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: DeputyDope on April 17, 2013, 10:17:59 pm
Wait, what, huh? How do the players matter, even one shit, to the way the game is developed?

the players offer feedback on how to make the game  better?
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Floodnik on April 17, 2013, 10:18:28 pm
Wait, what, huh? How do the players matter, even one shit, to the way the game is developed? At its root, this is the devs game to with what they wish.
Quite wrong :/
Anyway this is progress, maybe such a harsh discussion will encourage some people to change their minds?
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Wipe on April 17, 2013, 10:25:44 pm
You'd be suprised how much influence on game can have players opinion. But first you have to step beyond the forum, as its been made impossible to discuss anything here. And i'm glad that i never was nor will be seen as "voice of Rotators", so i can present just my own opinion; i'd used it, and now i'm going to stop, i derailed the thread enough :]
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Nice_Boat on April 17, 2013, 10:28:48 pm
You can't repeat same thing expecting different results; i do remember and miss times when average player like me could talk with Solar about the changes. I really liked it, even if i didn't get a shit when he got into details why item x costs 100 and not 110 caps... but there was others, which could. And Solar's chit-chats with them most likely helped to tune things up.

Jesus Christ, I don't even... if you don't understand how this game's economy works, how the hell did you arrive at the conclusion that messing with it so hard is going to be a good idea? I'm trying to be constructive here, have you ever tried looking for someone to replace Solar? What's with this happy-go-lucky attitude, do you seriously think you're going to stumble into something good if you keep implementing random stuff all the time?

There's no such people now, these which could help keep the same tone everywhere, so they're no help now - stopped at the point of "i don't play it", without courage/strong will/balls to just let it go. It happens, yes. With who we have to talk? People which actually want to keep this little project go further and have something in the head, are hardly seen between the so-called oldtimers which are still here just to mess around. What for? I'd rather see new faces which have something to say and can explain their vision, not old farts which are stuck with putting their opinions about the game whenever typing is possible.

Have you ever actually tried getting solid community input? I mean CCP made some sick cash with EVE online, they have a massive player base and yet they actually have elected community representatives helping them with balancing the game and there's plenty of mutual respect. Why can't you learn from other, successful teams? They also have a real-life free market economist hired full-time helping them with the trade mechanics and similar stuff. You admit you lack the ability to create a consistent vision of this game and yet you've never tried doing something similar even though the working development model is readily available - it's enough to get off your ass and implement it, but I guess yet another brahmin shit script has a higher priority here. Have you ever tried getting similar help? Do you think it's needed? Do you think you're going to get it if you keep insulting the experienced players like in the post I quote?

Even if they don't know shit about it.

What are your credentials when it comes to playing the game? Actually, is there anyone on your team who was a successful player? Everybody knows you people were the definition of casual when it comes to playing the game before you became the devs, why are you acting like you know everything there's to know about the player experience?
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Tomowolf on April 17, 2013, 10:32:09 pm
And i'm glad that i never was nor will be seen as "voice of Rotators", so i can present just my own opinion; i'd used it, and now i'm going to stop, i derailed the thread enough :]
Well, JovankaB got the "status" in bad times and bad place, so... shit happens  ;D ;D ;D.

I still got some hope, but I if it still will go this way...
Have fun.
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Evil Genius on April 18, 2013, 12:21:31 am
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Even if they don't know shit about it.
You are horrible here
I am 100% sure Nice Boat as being very experienced player for many years , know more about this game than brahmin shit-care dev JovankaC, sorry B

back to the thread, well written story, i like adventures like this in fonline, but it is sad you needed 10 alts to be able do somethin aka  "lockpicker-crafter" "lockpicker-something else"
Title: Re: DEV DEFENSE FORCE
Post by: Kilgore on April 18, 2013, 03:26:09 am
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Section 8, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on BBS and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire NCR armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the NCR and your alt is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in PvP combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Brotherhood of Steel and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
u are 1 fukin cheeky rat mate i swear i am goin 2 wreck u i swear on my mums life and i no u are scared lil bitch gettin your dev mates to send me messages saying dont meet up coz u r sum big bastard with rockits lol fukin sad mate really sad jus shows what a scared lil mutie boy u are and whats all this crap ur mates sendin me about sum madmaxin website that 1 of your faverite places to look at floaties u lil fukin mutie boy radio me if u got da balls cheeky pigrat see if u can step up lil ghoul.
Thank you, I've started to love this thread :D

With who we have to talk? People which actually want to keep this little project go further and have something in the head, are hardly seen between the so-called oldtimers which are still here just to mess around. What for? I'd rather see new faces which have something to say and can explain their vision, not old farts which are stuck with putting their opinions about the game whenever typing is possible.
Funny fact: old farts are those who have seen this game thriving in 2009/2010, whereas new players often start a thread questioning where they can find other players in game.
Personally I'm also dismayed when I see what was done with my once favorite game.

Even if they don't know shit about it.
It will be better if I leave this without further comment  ;D
Title: Re: How to get Plasma Torch - TS
Post by: Mike Crosser on April 18, 2013, 09:25:02 am
Wait, what, huh? How do the players matter, even one shit, to the way the game is developed? At its root, this is the devs game to with what they wish.
Quite wrong,players can start exploiting loopholes in good features to an insane extent which leads to devs nerfing the fuck out of everything.
For instance: AC