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Title: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: dskpnk on April 08, 2013, 10:48:40 am
Hello dev !

I assume this is a big post to read but do it !

Lastest updates have been pretty cool, alt things no so bad finaly, tent/base system is rly cool, TC not so bad (trying other things failed for now so...). So thx for this work ! Now fonline looks globaly playable !

But there is a problem, low, extremely low lake of player and activity. Even with 80 players (so it's already low ammount) we don't found anyone anywhere ! I know it from hours spend in Den/reno/mariposa/glow.......

Reason : TLA is fucking 2238 deep in the ass with this last update + more than one year session... seriously !

There is extremely low ammount of player and never found any of them, dunno maybe some party i am not invited or gang bang fiesta at hinckley. U can sometimes see some TC, but only "strong" team still playing, extremely "rare" newcomers getting pwned (i assume, and believe in PK).

Some quick ideas to save 2238 :

- Noob crying and finaly ragequit => I tryed TLA and i like it, separate world for noob, simple/stupid quests/support perks/trader and even some way to have fun pking other guys.

- Town empty => More quests ! Stupid point to point delivery/killing number of a kind of npc/craft such things for/chope wood...

- Fuck this lvl cap ! Ok, we wants predator builds, increase to lvl 24 was good but a little shy, let's try 36, take risk it's a beta, less alt if the fights are longer, dying with one burst... ok... but... Also pvp will be able to take craft skills, so no more powercrafter alts builds ^^

- Add, please in the name of rat god, more good stuff, wtf u even nerfed BA !!!! Blueprint the CAmkII/avenger/gatling/BA, special encounter bozard/vindicator/turbo plasma/pulse rifle even maybe APA and BA !? All those weapon will add new gameplay for some class (and put a little more of this encounter/bp in order player don't hide this in base only for fapping).

- Small Tc system to take control of small location (low gear and low number to start timer in tobaco farm/waterworks/golgotha/ghost farm/gecko & klamath mine....) give some shitty rewards (controling waterworks allow your team to collect 2x faster for 15min then NPC attack, you fight to farm more or leave...). In those idea you are not forced to start timer to farm/craft but controling the zone gives bonus and pvp ^^

- Same thing for mariposa/V15... but harder allowing to craft thos BP i spoke before and get HQ materials from locker ^^ (-50% craft countown)

- Same thing for TC (+50% xp/caps rewards quests of town + 50% trader prices)

- Fucking ubber hard quest, put a quest glow full of muties with those fucking top BP/stuff, if u fail u need to wait 15 days irl to retry.

- Unerf a little laser/and nerf trolls build is lvl cap increase !

- More encounter on WM, more probability to found players, and more dangerous encounter where dangerous NPC, something like you start fight with broken leg/arm, your car as broken (with no lvl caps leader will have a little repair ^^), one of your passager get ejected of vehicule and start encounter 30hex from car ! Player can put car trap on encounter to get more probability to stop a car, drop flare to detect sneak, smoke to create public encounter/reduce tohit, motion sensor to detect player encounter on wm.

Do this, wipe server, and i think we will see players again for sure !

Keep going dev, but TLA wins with the last update !

Most of the suggestions are not so harsh to do and try to use thing that already exist !
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying shit !
Post by: dskpnk on April 08, 2013, 10:55:54 am
So now i need players support not thouthands of others suggestions or troll  debate !

JUST DO IT AND WIPE please FOR GLORY AND LULZ OF 2238 !
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: Wichura on April 08, 2013, 11:22:41 am
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Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: dskpnk on April 08, 2013, 11:27:54 am
Just a suggestion, Amboy moved on TLA like everybody does so...

And first time in 4 years we think TLA is better than 2238... or at least not an empty mmo..
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: avv on April 08, 2013, 12:14:58 pm
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- Fucking ubber hard quest, put a quest glow full of muties with those fucking top BP/stuff, if u fail u need to wait 15 days irl to retry.

Ares. And people abuse the shit out of it with abused gear.
Besides, how would this waiting work? Just restart the quest with alts. But I agree we need pve quests for pve people.

The small scale tc might be a good idea. Problem with tc is that there are so many angles that scouts are needed everywhere to avoid being hit from unexpected direction. Small teams can't afford even one scout so they just resort to building camping which is just boring. But even in this small scale tc small team could be swarmed by big team.

Supermegahyper weapons don't make the game more interesting. We can play with hunting rifles, smgs and leather jackets just fine, just my opinion. It all revolves how this stuff is obtained. You can snipe with AR the same way you do with gauss rifle. An smg can perform onehex the same way as vindicator. Honestly the game is best when people are equal in terms of power obtained from characters and items.
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: dskpnk on April 08, 2013, 12:42:09 pm
Ares. And people abuse the shit out of it with abused gear.
Besides, how would this waiting work? Just restart the quest with alts. But I agree we need pve quests for pve people.

No abuse make the quest available at hight lvland non repeatable.

The small scale tc might be a good idea. Problem with tc is that there are so many angles that scouts are needed everywhere to avoid being hit from unexpected direction. Small teams can't afford even one scout so they just resort to building camping which is just boring. But even in this small scale tc small team could be swarmed by big team.

Small will ever been swarm by big, no matter it's the way it works so.... we need new things to bring players back !
+while big team will TC big city (moar rewards) smaller can take small places

Supermegahyper weapons don't make the game more interesting. We can play with hunting rifles, smgs and leather jackets just fine, just my opinion. It all revolves how this stuff is obtained. You can snipe with AR the same way you do with gauss rifle. An smg can perform onehex the same way as vindicator. Honestly the game is best when people are equal in terms of power obtained from characters and items.

Agreed but as far as i remember you use a gatling sneak/CAmkII not a leather hunting rifle build !

O play 4 year with the ultimate hope to have a gauss.. wtf, experimennted players should be able to use badass stuff, and noob should have the right to dream about having a bozard !

The thing is not think about exploise or abuse, just provide new things, fast, before the server die totaly, and it's almost dead for now
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: avv on April 08, 2013, 02:18:56 pm
Agreed but as far as i remember you use a gatling sneak/CAmkII not a leather hunting rifle build !

O play 4 year with the ultimate hope to have a gauss.. wtf, experimennted players should be able to use badass stuff, and noob should have the right to dream about having a bozard !

The thing is not think about exploise or abuse, just provide new things, fast, before the server die totaly, and it's almost dead for now

What I meant was, a hunting rifle works the same way as gauss rifle. Both are crit-based sniping weapons.
Players will use the best gear in pvp so it doesn't really matter what the best gear is. However adding more variety is always nice. Variety like lsw, m60 and rocket, those are all usable by same build but they are quite different in the way they work.
Adding more powerful weapons just reduces variety because it's always a good idea to use the most powerful tools available.
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: Haraldx on April 08, 2013, 09:11:40 pm
- Town empty => More quests ! Stupid point to point delivery/killing number of a kind of npc/craft such things for/chope wood...
The towns are empty because there aren't enough players to even populate them. Aside from that, I don't really think quests would give "life" to towns because at the end of the day, the reward most likely is shit.
- Add, please in the name of rat god, more good stuff, wtf u even nerfed BA !!!! Blueprint the CAmkII/avenger/gatling/BA, special encounter bozard/vindicator/turbo plasma/pulse rifle even maybe APA and BA !? All those weapon will add new gameplay for some class (and put a little more of this encounter/bp in order player don't hide this in base only for fapping).
It won't add shit, because the gear is outright better. There is one thing that happens in every MMO is that people will just take what is better. There are pretty much no side grades. In my opinion the way that tesla armor (or whatever it was) gives you better protection against lasers and plasma is a bit of progress. We don't need more weapons or armors that are outright better or worse than others, variety is gained by having side grades. You can take combat armor to your battle and get destroyed by lasers or you can take tesla armor and get destroyed by bullet weapons. If you put these items as stuff that actually has value you give the players some risk management... True, most will just leave the stuff at their hideout unless they have 20 more of that.

- Fucking ubber hard quest, put a quest glow full of muties with those fucking top BP/stuff, if u fail u need to wait 15 days irl to retry.
Get an alternate character, oh look, there is no timer anymore. This won't fix shit.

- More encounter on WM, more probability to found players, and more dangerous encounter where dangerous NPC, something like you start fight with broken leg/arm, your car as broken (with no lvl caps leader will have a little repair ^^), one of your passager get ejected of vehicule and start encounter 30hex from car ! Player can put car trap on encounter to get more probability to stop a car, drop flare to detect sneak, smoke to create public encounter/reduce tohit, motion sensor to detect player encounter on wm.
You can't increase the chance to encounter players if there are no players. Not really sure how the more dangerous encounters would work.
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: FrankenStone on April 08, 2013, 09:20:16 pm
but u can change how to obtain things , i fpeople always will use best gear then they must spent more time into game ... u cant even play TLAMKII and craft PA just from scratch u have to spent alot of money and time into it :D i think its well balanced there ...
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: dskpnk on April 20, 2013, 06:03:55 pm
Up cause we need changes !
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: Roachor on April 20, 2013, 06:06:17 pm
Up cause we need changes !

We got changes, it's called changing to tla.
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: -Max Payne- on April 20, 2013, 06:09:03 pm
I dont understand why all people are crying

Remember, 1 year ago, server was always off, or we have so much lags

Now we have good TC system, nice craft and mining system.

We can farm armors and guns so easy.

The tent system is so nice.

Ok we dont have BA or nice guns, but the server is ok , wtf do you need more?
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: Mike Crosser on April 20, 2013, 07:28:37 pm
I dont understand why all people are crying

Remember, 1 year ago, server was always off, or we have so much lags

Now we have good TC system, nice craft and mining system.

We can farm armors and guns so easy.

The tent system is so nice.

Ok we dont have BA or nice guns, but the server is ok , wtf do you need more?
This.
About a year or 2 ago this was the ultimate goal to achieve.All those butthurt posts and threads about "Toilet Control" or "trollbacks" etc.


Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: dskpnk on May 08, 2013, 06:15:19 pm
Up because i just see this :

Average players (for mounth) 37
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: -Max Payne- on May 08, 2013, 06:22:28 pm
Up? Why up?

Server is totally dead, 25 players at 14:00, 50 at 21:00, and devs do nothing, no update no wipe.

I think the players have cry enough, have explain here opinions enough, have do so much suggestions.

No reaction.

So just leave the server die, and when he is dead we can all go an another game  :)
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: dskpnk on May 08, 2013, 06:30:16 pm
Up cause i try to keep hope for 2238 ! TLAmkII is good, very good, but it's not 2238, 2238 need his own mkII improvement !

Or just drop source code of actual 2238, i am sure some of us will be proud to continue the project ...
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: -Max Payne- on May 08, 2013, 06:38:53 pm
Then give 2238 to tla's devs and we have a chance to save the server.

In 1 mounth we wil have 5-20  people on the server, then nothing.

They're is no pvp action, no tc.

Just some noobs and experienced who dont want quit the game.

I am waiting of 2238 dead.
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: Tomowolf on May 08, 2013, 06:41:25 pm
Then give 2238 to tla's devs and we have a chance to save the server.

In 1 mounth we wil have 5-20  people on the server, then nothing.

They're is no pvp action, no tc.

Just some noobs and experienced who dont want quit the game.

I am waiting of 2238 dead.
I guess you do not understand basic things,
1. It's work of the 2238 DEVs, and they might to not give it out to some other team because they aren't doing updates fast enough.
2. Server is paid by plaers, not by DEVs, and afaik They already collected cash for another 3 months, so It'll stand at least to the Autumn.
3.There is TC, but you whine about you alone, and u cannot start it, not my problem.
You'll get swarmed anyway and cry on forums, hurr durr.
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: Lexx on May 08, 2013, 07:00:16 pm
So just leave the server die, and when he is dead we can all go an another game  :)

Uhm... Is the game forcing you to stay? You need the server to be offline in order to play a different game?
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: Alvarez on May 08, 2013, 07:20:59 pm
Uhm... Is the game forcing you to stay? You need the server to be offline in order to play a different game?

I think he wants to see 2238 dead, exactly like some other individuals. First, he will go all "whoohoo we made it, we brought 2238 down!" and then after a month, whine posts "devs bring the server back рlz" appear. By same poster.

I just hope you guys don't give up on this project.
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: Lexx on May 08, 2013, 08:27:57 pm
It's interesting how fanatically some people want 2238 to be offline for everyone. I don't like to play it, so nobody should be allowed to play it! Great thinking.
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: Admiral Zombie on May 08, 2013, 09:31:41 pm
I'm paraphrasing this heavily, but a general quote I heard somewhere went something like "20% of those who talk about it will generally be for it, while 80% will be strongly against it. It is best that things remain at least this way, as the only true death is when there is only total apathy"
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: -Max Payne- on May 08, 2013, 10:35:34 pm
Uhm... Is the game forcing you to stay? You need the server to be offline in order to play a different game?


Yes it's forced me to stay because i love this game, i dont want to go an another server, i don't want play another game...fuck stop to say that i cry, because i don't do it, i just want that the server restart but can do nothing for that.

And i dont rage against devs, because i'm happy with the last updates, i rage against all players who leave the server.
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: Kelin on May 09, 2013, 11:53:38 am
Sorry for quoting an old post
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Reason : TLA is fucking 2238 deep in the ass with this last update + more than one year session... seriously !
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- Noob crying and finaly ragequit => I tryed TLA and i like it, separate world for noob, simple/stupid quests/support perks/trader and even some way to have fun pking other guys.
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Keep going dev, but TLA wins with the last update !
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I just want to say one thing, TLA is no savior it has been around for a while and the main thing that changed was translation from Russian to English. Sure, the new features were introduced as well, has it changed the game concept and overall fun in the game? I really don't think so. Even before the last update, the tutorial location was completely in English, yet almost no players from 2238 were massively playing it.

I remember when FOnline Tactics had been launched, there was almost nobody left on 2238. Please notice that both FOT and TLAmk2 are very different from 2238 yet it does not represent any problem for gangs to migrate. We could say a gang is like a cell, it acts as a whole. Every time there is something new people want to try it out. However, after some time certain amount of people realize that they in fact liked the old game. I've spoken to several players who moved from 2238 to TLAmk2 and it's not a secret that some of them would gladly come back to 2238, if their gang moved there, if there were players to kill...

I don't mind open discussion on adopting good things from TLA, but don't make random statements like "add this feature from TLA to 2238 completely" or "TLA is now better than 2238". I don't want another TLA. Personally I don't like TLA clones and probably I never will, but I don't mind people who do. People who post here would in fact like the game the way it is, but they wrongly assume that when the game gets more updates, people will come back. People who truly enjoy TLA just play there without a need of posting here.

From unbiased look you all have to see that 2238 improved a lot. Honestly, right after wipe the game was really shitty (sorry devs, I had to say it) I couldn't even play it due to amount of bugs. Nowadays it's pretty much stable and totally can offer a good pvp. If you really want to have fun on this server, bring your friends, raise server population, form a faction, start doing pvp... Whining about wipe/TLA features/dumb devs/xyz won't help.
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: vinio on May 09, 2013, 02:05:57 pm
well said kelin.
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: Kilgore on May 09, 2013, 02:29:07 pm
However, after some time certain amount of people realize that they in fact liked the old game. I've spoken to several players who moved from 2238 to TLAmk2 and it's not a secret that some of them would gladly come back to 2238, if their gang moved there, if there were players to kill...
Honestly? If I asked *any* guy in our teamspeak to go back to 2238 (now or if some gang comes back there from tla), he would kill me with laughter. There is plenty things to do, and here? Log in for 2193234th time to kill the same player for 23923815th time in the same way? I understand that adding interesting content is a big deal of work and I'm not going to blame anyone for it, but the fact is that it's where 2238 fails and tlamk2 succeeds.
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: Sarakin on May 09, 2013, 07:08:46 pm
has it changed...overall fun in the game?
Yes it has. Quests are big part of TLAmk2 and the translation made them doable.

Even before the last update, the tutorial location was completely in English
Thats false. Even several weeks after wipe, there were some dialogs still in Russian.

However, after some time certain amount of people realize that they in fact liked the old game.
Apart from TLAmk2, its because every other Fonline server was in early development stage. New, but not much content.

From unbiased look you all have to see that 2238 improved a lot. Honestly, right after wipe the game was really shitty (sorry devs, I had to say it) I couldn't even play it due to amount of bugs. Nowadays it's pretty much stable and totally can offer a good pvp. If you really want to have fun on this server, bring your friends, raise server population, form a faction, start doing pvp... Whining about wipe/TLA features/dumb devs/xyz won't help.
It is very simple. 2238 has nothing to offer, no long-term (heck not even mid-term) goal. You lvlup char to 24 (matter of hours), get some armor (be it MA or CA) a decent weapon (cheap laser rifle can kill) and thats it. The rest is about getting stuff in large quantities and losing it in pvp, rinse and repeat.
On the other hand, there are at least 3 achievements on TLAmK2 I can think up now. You can dedicate yourself to crafting and manage to create expensive powered armors or high-end weaponry. Or you can try PvE, explore numerous locations filled with various hostile NPCs - and Im telling you, it is not easy. Finally, you can pimp your character to the max - skillbooks, rare skillbooks, implants, quests.
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: Kelin on May 09, 2013, 08:18:16 pm
Thats false. Even several weeks after wipe, there were some dialogs still in Russian.
Like 10%? Nitpicking? I've been through the whole newb location before wipe and it was almost completely translated into English, in any case I was able to do quests and get out of the area just fine and many players who couldn't speak Russian did, too. The only reason I left was because I didn't like the game, not because I didn't understand.
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On the other hand, there are at least 3 achievements on TLAmK2 I can think up now. You can dedicate yourself to crafting and manage to create expensive powered armors or high-end weaponry.
boring...
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Or you can try PvE, explore numerous locations filled with various hostile NPCs - and Im telling you, it is not easy.
...boring...
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Finally, you can pimp your character to the max - skillbooks, rare skillbooks, implants, quests.
...boring.

The hell, I don't want to play Minecraft in Fallout universe. I want to shoot, kill and rape. You offered me PvE goals, I don't care about PvE at all! Actually even 2238 is too minecraftish for me, plenty of work, occasional action. Am I really alone? Am I the last player for who PvP is the goal?
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It is very simple. 2238 has nothing to offer, no long-term (heck not even mid-term) goal. You lvlup char to 24 (matter of hours), get some armor (be it MA or CA) a decent weapon (cheap laser rifle can kill) and thats it. The rest is about getting stuff in large quantities and losing it in pvp, rinse and repeat.
This is like saying that Poker has nothing to offer, just because there is no "long-term" goal, yet hundreds of people enjoy it every day. I agree about the repetitive part, but only stuff obtaining. I don't see what's wrong on repetitive PvP. Some compare it to Quake but it's nonsense, I want to fight on hexagon maps with multiple players, how can it resemble 3D Quake? You kill players in 50%(maybe more) of games.

As a conclusion, one of us was playing a wrong game, since you play a month after wipe then leave and I stayed till now, I'm afraid that I'm the target audience.
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: avv on May 09, 2013, 08:29:50 pm
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It is very simple. 2238 has nothing to offer, no long-term (heck not even mid-term) goal. You lvlup char to 24 (matter of hours), get some armor (be it MA or CA) a decent weapon (cheap laser rifle can kill) and thats it. The rest is about getting stuff in large quantities and losing it in pvp, rinse and repeat.

This is it. To summarize, in 2238 players create the content for themselves. There won't be much activity to participate in if your gang or your enemy gang doesn't do anything.
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: Sarakin on May 09, 2013, 09:06:47 pm
The hell, I don't want to play Minecraft in Fallout universe. I want to shoot, kill and rape. You offered me PvE goals, I don't care about PvE at all! Actually even 2238 is too minecraftish for me, plenty of work, occasional action. Am I really alone? Am I the last player for who PvP is the goal?This is like saying that Poker has nothing to offer, just because there is no "long-term" goal, yet hundreds of people enjoy it every day. I agree about the repetitive part, but only stuff obtaining. I don't see what's wrong on repetitive PvP. Some compare it to Quake but it's nonsense, I want to fight on hexagon maps with multiple players, how can it resemble 3D Quake? You kill players in 50%(maybe more) of games.
I feel sorry for you, because you dont realize this game is supposed to be an MMO with everything it makes a good MMO, not just inferior Fallout Tactics with F1+F2 map.
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: Kilgore on May 09, 2013, 09:22:46 pm
Jesus, what the fock did I just read. Player staying on 2238 because tla is too boring :D

Sarakin is very right here imo.
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: Kelin on May 09, 2013, 09:48:06 pm
For those (yes, Kilgore) who completely misunderstood the whole point, I am talking about me, my point of view. Yes, I'm the player who stays on 2238 because for him TLA is too booooooring, you got problem with that? Too bad.

Sarakin is only right for those who play on TLA because that is what they like (well, most of them). Once I told you Kilgore that I would never play your role-play server but when you released pvp version (FOBattleground), I was one of the most active players there. For me, Battleground remains as the 2nd best FOnline server I've ever seen, however crazy it may sound.
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: Kilgore on May 09, 2013, 09:56:36 pm
Well, I got to admit, if you want an immediate pvp action like it was on battleground, then tlamk2 isn't the best choice.. I'm kinda surprised because I think that most people playing fonline expect a good MMO, not just FT-styled shooter (as Sarakin said).

Btw: I would never state that roleplaying excludes pvp and vice versa, honestly I don't have an idea why people put "pvp" as opposite to "roleplay" :P
Title: Re: Make this and wipe this dying server... please !
Post by: Kelin on May 09, 2013, 10:06:22 pm
I'm kinda surprised because I think that most people playing fonline expect a good MMO, not just FT-styled shooter (as Sarakin said).
You may be right - most, but not all. I didn't even know what MMO or MMORPG meant when I was starting with playing FOnline, lol. Now when I think about it, I'm kinda surprised that most people want a good MMO, not a FT-styled shooter ;d